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PuzzlingPieces · 27/10/2021 15:01

Have toyed with posting this but here goes.

Recently, it has emerged that my DH has been accused of going through the underwear of a close female relative on two separate occasions when alone in their house. I knew absolutely nothing of this until family members accused DH directly of having a fetish. It has all come out since and I am devastated.

Context - the female family member is very particular about her belongings and refers to herself as OCD. The situation was presented to me as the female family member noticed on a recent visit after we had popped out for few hours leaving DH behind - that her underwear had moved. She found this odd but thought it could have been me or DC so tried to put out of mind.

On a further occasion a few weeks later the same thing happened - this time of an evening when DC in bed and everyone else out. She was obviously "looking" for this and feeling suspicious by this point.

In her mind there is/was no doubt that the belongings have moved as she is so particular. She doesn't leave her stuff around, ever, and the drawers are on the far side of the bedroom.

DH tells me that on first occasion, toddler age DC appeared with item earlier in day and he panicked, put it aside and then replaced it in the drawer when everyone was out so as not to look weird or draw attention to it.

On second occasion, he found a bra on the landing under our bedding (I know our bedding was on the landing) and panicked about this looking terrible especially after the first misunderstanding, so went to return it. Upon doing so he noticed just how organised the drawer was (hadn't done so on the first occasion due to speed) and panicked further so tried to "make" things look neat.

Family member referred to her drawer as a "total mess" after second occasion. Refutes the idea that DC could have obtained the item because the "nature" of the underwear was that it was at the back of the drawer not for day to day wear and child could not reach.

The landing where the bedding was is near to the laundry basket but I am told that the family member knows where her belongings are at all times (especially this one) and she is absolutely adamant it was removed from her drawer.

Family accused husband of the worst without explaining anything to me first. DH at first vehemently denied anything before later confessing that this was down to misunderstandings and gross oversteps of privacy, but not anything deviant as they suspect.

Family have now left me to it and say they will support my decision. I honestly don't know what to do or think. I am in total and utter shock. No previous indication of any inappropriate behaviour or fetish/sexual issues albeit my DH is someone that can have the odd social "clanger" so to speak.

We are happily married and I love my husband. I also love my family and don't think they have motive to lie and just want to protect me. They are willing to draw a line if I ask for that (easier said than done given how this was all explosively accused but that's a secondary issue until I can get this rationalised in my head!).

What would you believe / do?

And secondly, would you feel it reasonable to request a lie detector test in these circumstances? If a misunderstanding, very prepared to move on although very let down and devastated nonetheless. If the motive is something else (even just nosiness rather than anything more dreadful), what should I do? Appreciate in a marriage this should never be needed but I feel lost.

I want the truth even jf it's worst case scenario. My worst fear is that even if I choose to believe whatever I do, and move on (with help and counselling or whatever that may take) this may always niggle at me. It would also niggle at me if I left my husband, too. Totally lost.

OP posts:
sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea · 27/10/2021 16:44

I sometimes wonder if I live on a different planet. Ok, DH's explanation sounds... implausible. But weird things do happen sometimes - and if your relative is as much of a drama queen as she sounds here, then I can understand him panicking and shoving stuff out of the way with nervous beads of sweat & not covering his tracks very well. I mean, honestly? If he really did have some kind of kink/fetish, surely he'd OVER compensate to make sure her 'OCD' (yeah, right) didn't pick up on it.

But your family's reaction is quite honestly batshit. Something got moved. To accuse your DH of being a creepy weirdo fetish kinky git is a bit of a stretch, I'm afraid.

SportscoachWills50 · 27/10/2021 16:44

I don't think lie detector is necessary.

I would avoid such a situation in future, and never visit their house ever again.

My older sister went through my drawers many years ago, when she came to stay at mine.

I lost all trust in her ever since.

girlmom21 · 27/10/2021 16:44

OP what was your first thought when she told you?
Did you immediately worry that there was a strange motive or did you assume he must have an innocent explanation?

None of us know him but you do.

As a woman, I would feel uncomfortable returning underwear to my own relatives underwear drawer.

In this instance, if he was embarrassed I'd have expected him to let you know so you could deal with it.

I don't think I believe him but I don't think you should end your marriage if there's even a small chance he's being honest with you.

beastlyslumber · 27/10/2021 16:46

I don't know OP. Surely if a toddler appeared with someone's underwear, you'd put it somewhere safe and explain later? You wouldn't go on a mission to put it back. And if you found underwear lying around, you'd just leave it where it was?

It does make him sound creepy tbh.

viques · 27/10/2021 16:48

Forget the pa-nicking. He’s been pa- knickering!

doyouwantachuffedybadge · 27/10/2021 16:48

To be honest, I wouldn't be happy with someone going into my bedroom at all , never mind into my petticoat pantry.

Why is he in this relative's home so much anyway?

Is this your mum? Are you all living with your mum?

Most men I know would be picking up women's underwear with tongs rather than touch it at all for fear of embarrassment.

I think you should just sit him down calmly and ask him what is going on. The weirdest thing for me is him being so confident to be going into someone else's bedroom, especially if he is a visiting guest. If one of my mates left a bra hanging about Id leave it where it was and ignore it, I wouldn't be cheeky enough to think they were being untidy and so tidy away for them. And if my kid came in with some underwear, I'd leave it out of their reach and explain later what the kids had done.

It all very much depends on what kind of person your husband is - is he socially unaware of things like infringing on people's space like going into their bedroom? Is it your house and so he;d be more comfortable doing that?

If it's your mum, and she's about his size maybe he's trying them on. Which is again bloody cheeky - he should buy his own rather than out his furry manpubes all over them.

Again, just ask him and let him know that you just want to know the truth. I wouldn't like it if it turns out he likes wearing bras and knickers, especially if he's being dishonest about it, but then I've never been in that situation so don;t really know if I'd mind it if it was someone I was already in a committed relationship with.

ALittleBitWorrriedNow · 27/10/2021 16:49

Having been on the receiving end of untrue accusations from someone with OCD after being left in their house alone, to me it sounds like there’s a possibility that your female relative may have lost the plot here.

However you DH admitting to putting things back in tue drawer is also odd.

ALittleBitWorrriedNow · 27/10/2021 16:53

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starfishmummy · 27/10/2021 16:58

There us definitely something weird going on here. And I don't necessarily mean the OPs DH is the weird one.

Someone with OCD says he's been moving her underwear and the next thing is that Family have now left me to it and say they will support my decision.

Sounds like someone has an agenda to get you and him to separate.

billy1966 · 27/10/2021 16:59

@Starlightening

Needing some advice please ? I’ve been married 7 years and have 3 kids 8,6,4 years old and iam 7 months pregnant. We had ivf for 1st baby and the last two natural to our complete surprise!! And so is number baby number 4 ! Husband has been unsupportive since I told him I was pregnant and I’ve had to cope with being pregnant on my own for the past 7 months , he looked disgusted when I told him I was pregnant , and avoids the subject is hostile towards me and would rather ignore the whole baby thing! I’ve never felt so alone and unsupported, he puts on a brave face in front of family and friends but is horrible to me behind closed doors! Finances have been really tight recently and I’ve had to take a loan to cover my maternity leave so at least I can cover my half of the bills , he’s not offered to help financially or emotionally throughout ( he earns 3 times my salary ) I can’t ask him for anything as I get my head bitten off ! I have no other financial help and can’t claim child benefits as it would mess his tax up , and he doesn’t want me to do that ! I don’t know what to do ? Any advice please ?
It would be of more help to you if you started your own thread @Starlightening as you are very clearly in a financially abusive relationship.

Please call Womens Aid for advice.

He is using your tax benefits while not giving you money.

He is committing a crime.

Ring Women's Aid asap.
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cuttlefishgame · 27/10/2021 16:59

Does this family member (who themselves say they have OCD) have any mental health issues, or a troubled relationship past?

To be honest, I'd believe your DH on this one.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 27/10/2021 17:00

Dara Ó Briain had a routine along these lines in his Talks Funny tour (lingerie folded into a swan).

TheGirlCat · 27/10/2021 17:02

@Dillydollydingdong

Its a lot of fuss about nothing, isn't it? I think fetishists like used underwear, not clean ones. Has he cheated?(no). Did he steal something? (no). Has he killed anyone? (no). Let's get this in proportion eh? Maybe offer to take him out and buy him some scanties?
I agree with this. I am one of the first to chant LTB but imo this is absolutely not LTB territory and if it's never happened with your underwear OP or anyone else, I would consider it a misunderstanding. He sounds like the type of over-rectifying person I am with my ASD. If it's never happened before, I would put it down to a misunderstanding, I would stand by my DH and move on from it.
FatCatThinCat · 27/10/2021 17:05

Why are people trying to disparage the relative? The OP's husband has admitted he was in the knicker drawer. It's his explaination that's in doubt not whether it actually happened.

knittingaddict · 27/10/2021 17:08

@FatCatThinCat

Why are people trying to disparage the relative? The OP's husband has admitted he was in the knicker drawer. It's his explaination that's in doubt not whether it actually happened.
I don't understand that either. Some of the responses seem very odd to me.
TheNestedIf · 27/10/2021 17:08

My chin is itching.

When the toddler allegedly took the first piece of underwear, are we to believe they neatly shut the drawer behind them, and disturbed nothing but that item of underwear? Your husband was taking a big risk that the relative would not return to the bedroom before you went out, if he didn't want to draw attention to the incident.

As for the second incident why would he risk further embarrassment? Why would he not just put everything in the laundry basket, or ask you about it? Why would he go in her drawers (in both senses) again?

doyouwantachuffedybadge · 27/10/2021 17:09

Actually Thegirlcat, that would make sense. I know someone exactly like this who would over-rectify as you say. And the op did allude to her husband being socially unaware - dropping social clangers.

DroopyClematis · 27/10/2021 17:10

To quote a long often saying, you really need to talk .

Someone who has OCD may well be hyper-sensitive to anything that might be amiss. However , your husband's reasoning sounds a bit off, too.

The bit that I'm not on board with is a lie detector.

If your relationship feels so bad that you need one ( particularly as it's well known that they're not conclusive) then the trust in your relationship has already gone. The result will only give you relief, if it's in his favour, for that precise moment.

Please, please talk with him. He may even be crying out for help!

knittingaddict · 27/10/2021 17:11

2 incidents where the op's husband has to go into the relatives underwear drawer? I don't think so.

Snoozer11 · 27/10/2021 17:11

Your family have behaved terribly here and have put you in a very awkward position.

They should have taken you aside and mentioned it to you discreetly, not throw around accusations for all to hear and accuse him of all sorts.

How can your relative be absolutely sure she didn't leave her things the way she found them?

DandyHighwayWoman · 27/10/2021 17:12

’A lie detector test’

And back in the real world....Hmm

thenightsky · 27/10/2021 17:13

It sounds like an episode from Father Ted, where bloke digs himself in deeper by trying to explain.

GaolBhoAlba · 27/10/2021 17:13

Gosh I really feel for you, what a horrible situation. I'm inclined to think hes lying, i'm afraid 😕 Its up to you to decide how/if you can move beyond it.

MondayYogurt · 27/10/2021 17:14

There's such a big leap from 0 to accusing husband. My feeling is that there is family knowledge of other transgressions here but you haven't been caught up on it all bc for a long time he has behaved himself.

You can simply wait, and he will eventually out himself again.

TheGirlCat · 27/10/2021 17:15

@Westerman

This relative describes herself as OCD, but leaves a pile of bedding (presumably to go in the wash) on the landing floor?
Yep, something doesn't add up there. And I'm glad that you and @PlanDeRaccordement said something first because after being yelled at on another thread, I wasn't game to be the first to say it.

We are led to believe that this female relative has severe OCD, so severe she knows the exact placement of every single garment in every draw.

YET, she carelessly leaves a bra out across a room?
No, something does not add up. You can't be obsessively OCD one minute, and lazy and untidy the next.

It reads to me that she set OP's husband up somehow, maybe knowing that he'd over-rectify things. Something is soooo off about this and the woman turning her OCD on and off like a convenient tap. Something is as off about the woman - if not more so, than OP's husband.