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Suspicious behaviour

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PuzzlingPieces · 27/10/2021 15:01

Have toyed with posting this but here goes.

Recently, it has emerged that my DH has been accused of going through the underwear of a close female relative on two separate occasions when alone in their house. I knew absolutely nothing of this until family members accused DH directly of having a fetish. It has all come out since and I am devastated.

Context - the female family member is very particular about her belongings and refers to herself as OCD. The situation was presented to me as the female family member noticed on a recent visit after we had popped out for few hours leaving DH behind - that her underwear had moved. She found this odd but thought it could have been me or DC so tried to put out of mind.

On a further occasion a few weeks later the same thing happened - this time of an evening when DC in bed and everyone else out. She was obviously "looking" for this and feeling suspicious by this point.

In her mind there is/was no doubt that the belongings have moved as she is so particular. She doesn't leave her stuff around, ever, and the drawers are on the far side of the bedroom.

DH tells me that on first occasion, toddler age DC appeared with item earlier in day and he panicked, put it aside and then replaced it in the drawer when everyone was out so as not to look weird or draw attention to it.

On second occasion, he found a bra on the landing under our bedding (I know our bedding was on the landing) and panicked about this looking terrible especially after the first misunderstanding, so went to return it. Upon doing so he noticed just how organised the drawer was (hadn't done so on the first occasion due to speed) and panicked further so tried to "make" things look neat.

Family member referred to her drawer as a "total mess" after second occasion. Refutes the idea that DC could have obtained the item because the "nature" of the underwear was that it was at the back of the drawer not for day to day wear and child could not reach.

The landing where the bedding was is near to the laundry basket but I am told that the family member knows where her belongings are at all times (especially this one) and she is absolutely adamant it was removed from her drawer.

Family accused husband of the worst without explaining anything to me first. DH at first vehemently denied anything before later confessing that this was down to misunderstandings and gross oversteps of privacy, but not anything deviant as they suspect.

Family have now left me to it and say they will support my decision. I honestly don't know what to do or think. I am in total and utter shock. No previous indication of any inappropriate behaviour or fetish/sexual issues albeit my DH is someone that can have the odd social "clanger" so to speak.

We are happily married and I love my husband. I also love my family and don't think they have motive to lie and just want to protect me. They are willing to draw a line if I ask for that (easier said than done given how this was all explosively accused but that's a secondary issue until I can get this rationalised in my head!).

What would you believe / do?

And secondly, would you feel it reasonable to request a lie detector test in these circumstances? If a misunderstanding, very prepared to move on although very let down and devastated nonetheless. If the motive is something else (even just nosiness rather than anything more dreadful), what should I do? Appreciate in a marriage this should never be needed but I feel lost.

I want the truth even jf it's worst case scenario. My worst fear is that even if I choose to believe whatever I do, and move on (with help and counselling or whatever that may take) this may always niggle at me. It would also niggle at me if I left my husband, too. Totally lost.

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PlanDeRaccordement · 27/10/2021 16:22

I honestly could not get upset over this.

It’s not even a he said/she said one must be lying situation. Your relative stated that her underwear wasn’t where she left it on 2 occasions. She has no idea who moved it when. She witnessed nothing. Your DH has explained how it happened, which I find perfectly believable having had very curious toddlers myself. In my opinion, both are telling the truth about what happened.

However your female relative jumping to a nasty conclusion that your DH has some sort of fetish for her underwear is verging on paranoia. How can she possibly know? Or perhaps she has always disliked him or been jealous of your happy marriage....who knows why people think the worst of others.

Watchingyou2sleezes · 27/10/2021 16:22

He's a nosey bugger, not necessarily some fetishist.

My friends runs a window company and I know that they've had to let people go on more than 1 occasion for rummaging through knicker draws 🙁

PlanDeRaccordement · 27/10/2021 16:25

@BrilliantBetty

Additionally if you did find someone's pants or bra lying abound in the house, you'd just leave it. Not return to wardrobe
Not if you have toddlers roaming about you wouldn’t.....
Yarboosucks · 27/10/2021 16:26

Is the female relative the only adult female in that household? If not, how did he know whose drawers to return the items to?

Does your DH put items of underwear away for you? If he does this routinely, then there is some credibility to his tale. If not, he is lying.

Did he know he was rumbled after the first drawer foraging event or was it only after the second event?

Are there any other issues going on in his life that could explain why he would behave so strangely?

ImUninsultable · 27/10/2021 16:27

He did it.

His excuse for the first time is that he was putting one item away after one of the children brought it down. If that were true, then other things in the drawer would not have been moved. Your relative is telling you the drawer had been disturbed, things moved around and not back in the right place. If her fancy underwear is at the back then that signals that someone was having a wee rummage to see the stuff at the back.

He did it.

ElvisPresleyHadABaby · 27/10/2021 16:27

Is he blood related to her? Or is she on your side of the family? What's his relationship with her like?

Yarboosucks · 27/10/2021 16:29

Is there anything at your DH could have been looking for other than undies? We all know that secret documents, jewels and handguns are always stored in knicker draws. Just ask Miss Marpel!

ImUninsultable · 27/10/2021 16:30

@PlanDeRaccordement

Are you afraid of a toddler seeing a bra?

You dont pick someone's things up, go into their room and open their drawers looking for the right one.

At most, you would chuck it on their bed and let them know. You dont go into the room and open their drawers. But really, people would just leave stuff if they see it and it isnt theirs.

He was looking through her drawers. He did what he us accused of and he is making shit up to get away with it.

Yarboosucks · 27/10/2021 16:30

Drawers!!! Not Draws!

PlanDeRaccordement · 27/10/2021 16:30

Paranoia is a common symptom of OCD. I honestly would take her accusation with a grain of salt.

HazelandChacha · 27/10/2021 16:30

@Theuniverseandeverything

You know he did it, you don’t know why.

If it was my husband, I’d be mortified and think he was very weird.

Absolutely ^

I wouldn’t automatically jump to fetish but I would see him very differently.

I recently found out teens (ex) friend once went in my drawers, took out some underwear and sniffed it. They’ve been friends since 3 years old, I can’t look at him in the same way. His DM & I are close friends, I won’t ever mention it but can now imagine him rummaging in peoples underwear drawers as an adult.

PuzzlingPieces · 27/10/2021 16:32

@ElvisPresleyHadABaby

Is he blood related to her? Or is she on your side of the family? What's his relationship with her like?
My relative.

A perfectly normal and good/pleasant relationship. Nothing to speak of.

She has seen the devastation caused already and is prepared to draw a line under it too, if I wish.

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Starcaller · 27/10/2021 16:32

@PlanDeRaccordement

Paranoia is a common symptom of OCD. I honestly would take her accusation with a grain of salt.
Confused But he admitted he was in the drawers both times she said. How is she paranoid when it literally happened?!
Westerman · 27/10/2021 16:33

This relative describes herself as OCD, but leaves a pile of bedding (presumably to go in the wash) on the landing floor?

vajingleberry · 27/10/2021 16:33

He was looking through her drawers

Literally Grin

Yogawankonobi · 27/10/2021 16:34

What does your heart say?

If the first excuse was real surely he would have said to you/her? ‘Dc came out with underwear, it’s really embarrassing but I returned them. Sorry!’

PlanDeRaccordement · 27/10/2021 16:34

[quote ImUninsultable]@PlanDeRaccordement

Are you afraid of a toddler seeing a bra?

You dont pick someone's things up, go into their room and open their drawers looking for the right one.

At most, you would chuck it on their bed and let them know. You dont go into the room and open their drawers. But really, people would just leave stuff if they see it and it isnt theirs.

He was looking through her drawers. He did what he us accused of and he is making shit up to get away with it.[/quote]
No, I’m not “afraid” of a toddler seeing a bra or knickers.

The poster I responded suggested that it’s normal to just leave it. But to my mind, it would be odd to just leave underwear lying on the floor in a communal part of a home. It’s slovenly and gross. No one I know does that. If they find a piece of discarded clothing, they either put it away if clean or put it in laundry basket if dirty.

HazelandChacha · 27/10/2021 16:35

@Starlightening I think you need to start your own thread in relationships, there are lots of women over on those threads who will be able to offer some serious advice for your situation. Flowers

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships

PlanDeRaccordement · 27/10/2021 16:36

@Starcaller
But he admitted he was in the drawers both times she said. How is she paranoid when it literally happened?!

The paranoia is in her belief and accusation that his reason for doing so is a perverse underwear fetish cantered on her.

cultkid · 27/10/2021 16:37

Sounds like the relative has MH issues I don't believe her

FatCatThinCat · 27/10/2021 16:38

Your husband is vile. Not only is he lying to you but he's trying to shift blame onto a young child for something he's done.

PuzzlingPieces · 27/10/2021 16:39

@Yogawankonobi

What does your heart say?

If the first excuse was real surely he would have said to you/her? ‘Dc came out with underwear, it’s really embarrassing but I returned them. Sorry!’

I would hope so but as I said in the OP he has been known to have the odd "clanger" in the sense of anxiety and overthinking making things more awkward rather than less. Not implausible he would panic in this occasion although yes I agree if it were me I'd say ooohh oops look what DC has found!

The second occasion is more of the concern.

Honestly I don't know what my heart says. I have swung back and forth. I am still in total shock about it all and how it blew up and honestly don't feel capable of stringing together a rational thought.

In my wildest nightmares I didn't think this would be my life.

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mylovelydd · 27/10/2021 16:40

If any of what he said were true, why wouldn't he have said something to you about it?
If my toddler had grabbed someone's knickers out of their drawer and I'd had to put them back I'm sure I'd have mentioned it to my DH. Especially the second time.

Starcaller · 27/10/2021 16:40

Also I find it very odd that OP's husband wouldn't have mentioned either incident to his own wife, even just as a 'you'll never guess what DC did today'. Especially as he says he was worried about appearing weird with the second event.

More holes than Swiss cheese!

TopCatsTopHat · 27/10/2021 16:40

I would give him the benefit of the doubt. There isn't enough certainty to do anything else. The only person who really knows is him and he's stuck in a situation where anything he says sounds bad, the more he tries to defend himself the more guilty he looks. If he's usually honest and decent give him the benefit of the doubt.