To give a heads up to anyone using the M25 tomorrow....

[Ilovepearjuice]

"To reduce your speed to 20mph to reduce the risk of accidents"

Um... Or perhaps they should thinking about scraping their backsides off the tarmac of a busy motorway during rush hour?!

Here we go again...

@LemonSwan

WalkingOnTheCracks

Because I would be a danger to myself and others.

Yes we are allowed to make unwise decisions and they might argue they have capacity to endanger themselves and others.

But once they start spouting that the must walk up and down the motorway or lie in the middle in order to save the world from impending doom and mass deaths then it gets pretty borderline. Thats quite disordered thinking.

And yes I have previously had delusions/ psychosis and been sectioned. So I try to keep a grip on what would be disordered thinking/ what not when I am well so I can hopefully recognise it if it ever returns.

If I did that - I would consider it disordered. So I am not going to think they are exempt.

I didn't understand why you think you'd be sectioned if you did that, when they're doing it and not getting sectioned.

Hence the question, why would that happen to you?

And you've explained why. Thank you. And I hope that you remain well. All the best.

Approved channels haven't worked

It was over 10 years ago that I first heard about suggestions being made to government about hone insulation... suggest that new homes have strict targets, retrofitting insulation as a priority

It hasn't happened and now it is almost too late

[quote jetadore]@Sparklingbrook

Do you really believe that their bizarre antics are helping their cause? That glueing themselves to the road and ranting manically on morning TV is going to make a huge difference? confused
It’s just switching people off from whatever the messages is.

Do you really believe people are "switched on" to their cause? The problem has been known for decades and action is way behind where it needs to be. Many posts on here contain insults or accusations of anarchy/conspiracy. People don't care, most people's priority is getting on with their commute/shopping/'normal' life and continue ignoring the the issue.[/quote]
To be fair I'm more than willing to be switched on to the cause and educated.

So far when I e watched these people on media outlets to learn more all over seen is hysterical people, 3 line prose and avoidance of questions.

But I have learnt one of the male ringleaders lives in a big single windowed non insulated home

When I discovered they didn't practice what they preached and didn't give a shit about the deaths of people who can't receive medical care my mind did switch off from the cause.

Exactly @itsgettingwierd.

Could IB, or their protestors (theoretically) be sued by people who have suffered a loss (e.g. for loss of earnings) as a result of their actions?

And there have actually been government schemes for solar panels and insulation in the past. Most recently the green home scheme which needed in March this year.

There's no denying more could be done but it is being done.

The same with cars. The green zones etc and the introduction of charging points in supermarkets.

These people though don't have realistic ideas. They think the world for their children will end in 3-4 years. Some of these people have children under 10 and say we've been seeing and know this will happen for decades. So why being children into the world and then throw yourself across the M25?

I agree with improving expectation of new builds and having policies about insulation etc. So do lots of people. They lobby government about it.

But I see a huge difference in people who are lobbying, campaigning etc and can explain their cause and reasons and these IB who are quite clearly extremists in thought.

@Handsoffstrikesagain

IMO you lose all rights to support, a voice and protection under ‘peaceful protest’ as soon as you prevent people accessing chemo, do something that means a woman is now paralysed, stop fire engines and other emergency services responding to incidents and prevent people being with Their loved ones in their final hours. They are utter scum and it’s a shame we can’t get the water cannons on the lot of them.

This with shiny bells on. If this had been a while ago when we were visiting my dying Mum in law I dread to think what my husband would have done if the selfish shits were blocking the road. A bit more than putting dye on them.

Ooh also I got free underfloor insulation and a free boiler this year through a government scheme.

I feel an overwhelming urge to help my neighbouring farmer out by taking his full muck spreader for a drive and dispatch around the M25 tomorrow.....

@Puzzledandpissedoff

... the direct action becomes symbolic of the changes that occurred

I'd suggest the key word there is "symbolic" - otherwise known as trying to get the credit for something which actually came about through the efforts of others

Hence the thing about the suffragettes "getting women the vote" when history shows it's their war efforts which did that. It's a shame all those excellent women so often miss out on the credit, but then hard practical work isn't as exciting as locking yourself to things, shouting and having a bit of a dance

It’s not ‘trying to get credit’, it’s what has stuck the minds of the general public and popular knowledge/opinion, which counts for a lot, (as is the case here as well). Not many people are “well, actually...” history buffs like you and pp. Direct action important and necessary in achieving change.

I don’t get this type of protest at all. They are targeting people trying to go about their business and work to pay taxes. It doesn’t affect the people making decisions on the running of the country at all so won’t change anything as they don’t care about inconvenience to the little people.

Why should the government pay to insulate people homes anyway? That’s a personal responsibility surely. Weren’t there government grants for insulation a few years back?

Insulating Britain is not going to contribute much to reducing carbon emissions while China, the US, India, Russia and Japan are merrily burning away to their hearts content.

Absolute nutcases with nothing better to do.

@torquewench

Could IB, or their protestors (theoretically) be sued by people who have suffered a loss (e.g. for loss of earnings) as a result of their actions?

Could oil companies and the politicians in their pockets (theoretically) be sued by people who have suffered a loss (e.g. illness, death) as a result of pollution or climate change?

It’s not ‘trying to get credit’, it’s what has stuck the minds of the general public and popular knowledge/opinion, which counts for a lot

Still adds up to the same thing though - except I guess we could call it "accepting the credit" rather than trying for it

Sounds a bit like semantics to me, and if they're relying on the sort who'll make pointless noise rather than actually looking into an issue and educating themselves, they won't get very far with decision makers

Torquewrench, should we sue facilities companies as well when they shut down roads for road works?

@Dojacatpaws

Torquewrench, should we sue facilities companies as well when they shut down roads for road works?

Don't utility companies have to get permission from local authorities/highway authorities etc to carry out bina fide works?

Not a Prit Stick in sight in Parliament Square today @Sparklingbrook

Didn't someone bring a case against Lewisham Council re pollution because it contributed to her asthmatic daughter's death? No idea of the ruling on it though.

@TSSDNCOP

Not a Prit Stick in sight in Parliament Square today *@Sparklingbrook*

Brilliant! That’s the way to do it. 😀

@Dojacatpaws

Torquewrench, should we sue facilities companies as well when they shut down roads for road works?

What? The roadworks which have diversions, traffic lights etc. and which are notified to the local authority in advance, doubtless allowing the emergency services to factor it in when they route ambulances? The roadworks which have a clear benefit to the community because they provide us with water/gas/electricity/broadband/good road surfaces?

Rather different to a bunch of pensioners sitting in the road shouting about insulation methinks.

The clear benefits of better insulation are lower heating bills

Oh and less global warming so fewer floods , less extreme heat, and they both lead to less need for roadworks , less drought, so cheaper food, less immigration and migration, fewer wars

Nothing significant

@bordersroaming

The clear benefits of better insulation are lower heating bills

Oh and less global warming so fewer floods , less extreme heat, and they both lead to less need for roadworks , less drought, so cheaper food, less immigration and migration, fewer wars

Nothing significant

How clear? Every home I've ever lived in (I'm 50) has had cavity wall and loft insulation, and latterly, double glazing. Heating bills have, however, always increased, despite every home I've lived in being insulated (as we've always in my lifetime had it drummed into us that this will save us money). However, my parents didn't have (gas) central heating installed until the 1980s. Before then we had one gas fire in the living room (Gas Miser). And an immersion heater which was always lagged. We managed fine. Oh and there was a drought in 1976 ... and back then the government(s) only wanted us to worry about acid rain or nuclear oblivion.

Anyway, I'm grateful I'm not on mains gas on the Isle of Man, with a 27.5% increase on its way ... no wonder my rural friends over thereburn logs or oil instead 🙄

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Oh, marvellous.

It's either a possibly misguided confidence in the ability or willingness of all drivers to apply their brakes in time (hope the protestors are better at judging high speeds than mere mortals like the rest of us) or the higher management is privately hoping for a martyr/Emily Davison figure to come out of this.

I've seen, and won't ever unsee, the end result of someone accidentally stepping in front of an artic on the M6. Hopefully if it happens to an IB bellend the rest of them will realise that playing in traffic isnt clever and scuttle back under their insulated rocks.

One more thing that baffles me ... how many people actually live in uninsulated homes these days? Isn't it standard construction? It was when my extension was built 15 years ago, and my neighbours one has rockwool stuffed in between the breeze blocks that are currently being assembled for their kitchen extension, along with bifold doors and 2 roof lanterns, which presumably let a shitload of heat out but hey ho...

Could IB, or their protestors (theoretically) be sued by people who have suffered a loss (e.g. for loss of earnings) as a result of their actions?

What about builders or trades people who might have been on their way to fit some insulation...?

Btw When I see IB written down, I think of IBS (irritable bowel syndrome)