To wonder if Mumsnet is full of men who are a waste of space

[DownToTheSeaAgain]

...or most men are a waste of space so Mumsnet just reflects the real world.

[quote Fiftythreepercent]**@User135644* @beastlyslumber*

If I was stacking shelves in Tesco it would be easy to establish if men and women were paid differently

However if 100% of directors in a business of 10,000 people are all men are you so obtuse that you can’t see how a gender pay gap can arise[/quote]
Not being obtuse at all. There are clearly still barriers to women achieving the highest paid roles in some companies or industries. Often that's because women take time off to have children, or can't work as many hours after having children. Men are often in a better position to be able to work longer hours, travel further, and not have long career breaks. In some companies and roles, those things make a huge difference, and it's hard to know how a company should compensate for that. In academia, some places were trialling a sort of 'career pause' option, but found that men who took that option were able to use the time to pursue research, while women used the time to do childcare, so it didn't create more equality. This is a problem that takes a lot of working out.

If that's what you mean by 'men being paid more than women' in your company, you need to be clear about that, because that's a different problem, and unfortunately a more complicated one to resolve.

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@PurpleDaisies

Straight in with the NAMALT

Well, they aren’t all “rubbish”. Dh isnt. He’s absolutely not perfect. Neither am I.

The people posting here will be the women whose partners are rubbish. Plenty of men are fine.

Yes. If anyone posts a "I'm happily married" "I enjoy my job and get a fair wage" "I'm in a decent house in a good area" they are shot down as being goady, boasting, overpriviledged gloatbunnies."

No, they won't be shot down for being goady gloatbunnies (love that, will steal), however it will be pointed out to them that their individual experiences are not reflective of the general societal trend that values men's labour far, far more than women's, and as a point of fact, men do contribute to the housework very unequally, to the financial detriment of their female partners.

Even in two "equal" partners (eg 2 profs in a heteronormative relationship), studies show the man does less domestic labour.