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Was DH BU to hand in his notice

193 replies

NelsonMandelaHouse · 22/10/2021 09:21

DH works driving HGVs.

Recently, he's fallen ill with a chest infection type illness with a spiking temperature and was caught up in the PCR fuckup so was was alarmed to hear that his negative might not have been a negative. He had Covid in the first wave, and is scared to get it again as he's asthmatic. He told work, who had been bastards about him being ill anyway, "bantering" about him drinking lemsip and using his inhalers, and the boss made him think his job was in jeopardy if he took time off for illness, so he had been working through it. He came home on his break and I helped him take a lateral flow and it had a line. Not glaringly bright but clearly there. He told work as soon as he got back to the yard, where he had to go to return the work vehicle. They marched him to the office and made him take multiple lateral flow tests, saying it was company policy. He said he didn't want to take them, he'd already taken one and he didn't know what taking four at once would show, even if they were all negative, he had one positive and had been asked to retake his PCR, he has symptoms, he needs to go home! And, reason I have to help him take them is because he's got such a sensitive gag reflex that he panics doing it himself and that can set off an asthma attack.

Why make him take multiple?? Three were positive, one was negative. They held up the negative and called him a bullshitter, because he's already had Covid and you can't get it again. DH said "sorry, but I'm already feeling ill and one negative test doesn't count out the four positives I've had today. I need to go home, take a PCR and you all should probably take one as well."

They refused to let him go home and told him if he did, he'd lose his job! We have three kids to support. DH reluctantly drove for the rest of the day and then came home. He looked awful, he had a fever again and he emailed in to work (their preferred method) and said he would not come in the next day, he needed to take a PCR and he felt too ill to be behind the wheel of a huge vehicle.

They went mental. Messaging his personal phone, telling him he's expected in regardless, that they'll instigate a disciplinary if he doesn't, etc. Probably because they couldn't get another driver on short notice.

DH responded by handing in his notice, saying he wasn't working for people who treat their staff this way. He's an HGV driver, so can quite obviously get another job pretty fast. They've left a voicemail calling him spiteful and unprofessional and saying they won't give him a reference, he was incredibly unreasonable to quit and if he has a problem he should go down the grievance route.

Was he BU? Because I don't bloody think so! But maybe it's because I'm too annoyed on his behalf.

OP posts:
Backtomyoldname · 23/10/2021 22:36

Try acas.

Then name and shame. Here, facebook, newspapers etc.

If he’d driven, when ill, and had an accident would their insurance have covered it?

csigeek · 24/10/2021 08:02

I don’t think he’ll struggle to get another HGV job right now with or without references.
I don’t think he was being unreasonable at all given the circumstances

BlueMongoose · 24/10/2021 09:01

This is a disgrace- Quite apart from their appalling treatment of this poor man, when it comes to public safety, any company pressuring a driver to work when they have declared they feel unfit must surely be committing some kind of H&S offence? If he's in a union, the union should be able to help- for a start, by knowing which regulatory authorities all this needs reporting to.
If people don't want this sort of thing to go on, we need stronger unions, we need people to join them, and we need better protections for workers at work (and much tougher penalties, including jail time, for companies breaking those rules).

londonrach · 24/10/2021 09:09

Your poor husband. Hope he rests and gets better before starting another job. He's a hero for walking out and not putting his and the general public lives at risk . X

RudestLittleMadam · 24/10/2021 09:11

He’s not unreasonable at all. Not only is their treatment of him inhumane he’s a fucking danger on the road in that state- not blaming him btw, blaming them.

Once he’s better he will most likely stroll into another HGV job anyway.

FrannyMB · 24/10/2021 09:13

Definitely talk to ACAS. It's not just about their lack of care towards your DH there is also a massive health and safety issue here. They wanted your DH to be working when he had covid. Not safe to be driving when ill and also expecting your DH to break the law when he should be self-isolating.

KeyLimePies · 24/10/2021 09:25

Haven’t read the full thread but you don’t need to be employed for 2 years to raise a whistleblowing claim in the employment tribunal, but you do need to go to ACAS first and your DP needs to let his employer know that he may raise whistleblowing concerns.

Don’t waste money on solicitors at this stage, call ACAS tomorrow.

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/problems-at-work/employment-tribunals-from-29-july-2013/making-an-employment-tribunal-claim-is-it-worth-it/employment-tribunals-automatic-unfair-dismissal/employment-tribunals-automatic-unfair-dismissal-whistleblowing/#

trappedsincesundaymorn · 24/10/2021 09:34

Thank you, that's really kind but we are in the south west! Thanks so much anyway

I'm in the SW. My dad worked as an HGV driver for a local haulage company for 20 odd years. They were a fantastic company and when dad died last year they had a minutes "horn blast" on the day of his funeral, even though he had been retired 15 years by then.
There is one company that a lot of the drivers have been concerned about for a while, I wonder if it's the one your DH work(ed) for.

Angrywife · 24/10/2021 10:12

My response would be that I wouldn't need a reference with the evidence of poor practise they have given him in the form of messages and voice mails.
Hope he's well soon and gets a better job

Underconstruction · 24/10/2021 10:45

An aside, the new LFTs are nasal swab only and a bloody godsend for those of us with a bad gag reflex. You get them if you order online at the govt website.

Nomoreporridge · 24/10/2021 12:19

Your husband has been treated appallingly!

As previous posters have said, go to ACAS. They may also be able to provide legal support.

Also, worth reporting this to the Health and Safety Executive. Employers are supposed to be following Covid regulations. Also if your husband felt too ill to be working, it’s a health and safety issue that they made him drive an HGV!

havesomepatience · 24/10/2021 13:14

He has been treated terribly. However its their loss as there is a shortage of HGV drivers and he will walk into another one easily.

retirementrocks · 24/10/2021 16:07

I'd say that was Constructive Dismissal. Does your DH have Union membership. ACAS has a helpline I believe so worth calling that.

NelsonMandelaHouse · 24/10/2021 16:29

@Underconstruction

An aside, the new LFTs are nasal swab only and a bloody godsend for those of us with a bad gag reflex. You get them if you order online at the govt website.
Wow, thanks so much!! This will be so, so helpful. I've been getting them from the pharmacy!
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ellyeth · 25/10/2021 00:43

Is/was he a permanent employee with a permanent contract? If so, I believe this could be construed as constructive dismissal, ie that he had no alternative, due to the employer's behaviour, but to leave his job.

Surely it is illegal to force a person who has had positive Covid tests to carry on working - it is a public health issue?

I've just seen that someone else has mentioned about constructive dismissal but will leave this on just to reiterate that opinion.

It's bad enough feeling ill without the sort of pressure that has been put on your husband. I hope he soon feels better and can get some help from ACAS re his appalling treatment.

Lime37 · 25/10/2021 06:34

He was massively unreasonable staying and driving a HGV whilst sick. That’s so dangerous. Tbh I would have let them take me to a disaplinary and be getting acas involved. I think your husband needs a bit more of a backbone and if he is sick say I am sorry but I am sick

SirChenjins · 25/10/2021 09:21

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CrisPbacon · 25/10/2021 22:52

They are in contravention of the Health Protection Act which is a criminal offence

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