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Was DH BU to hand in his notice

193 replies

NelsonMandelaHouse · 22/10/2021 09:21

DH works driving HGVs.

Recently, he's fallen ill with a chest infection type illness with a spiking temperature and was caught up in the PCR fuckup so was was alarmed to hear that his negative might not have been a negative. He had Covid in the first wave, and is scared to get it again as he's asthmatic. He told work, who had been bastards about him being ill anyway, "bantering" about him drinking lemsip and using his inhalers, and the boss made him think his job was in jeopardy if he took time off for illness, so he had been working through it. He came home on his break and I helped him take a lateral flow and it had a line. Not glaringly bright but clearly there. He told work as soon as he got back to the yard, where he had to go to return the work vehicle. They marched him to the office and made him take multiple lateral flow tests, saying it was company policy. He said he didn't want to take them, he'd already taken one and he didn't know what taking four at once would show, even if they were all negative, he had one positive and had been asked to retake his PCR, he has symptoms, he needs to go home! And, reason I have to help him take them is because he's got such a sensitive gag reflex that he panics doing it himself and that can set off an asthma attack.

Why make him take multiple?? Three were positive, one was negative. They held up the negative and called him a bullshitter, because he's already had Covid and you can't get it again. DH said "sorry, but I'm already feeling ill and one negative test doesn't count out the four positives I've had today. I need to go home, take a PCR and you all should probably take one as well."

They refused to let him go home and told him if he did, he'd lose his job! We have three kids to support. DH reluctantly drove for the rest of the day and then came home. He looked awful, he had a fever again and he emailed in to work (their preferred method) and said he would not come in the next day, he needed to take a PCR and he felt too ill to be behind the wheel of a huge vehicle.

They went mental. Messaging his personal phone, telling him he's expected in regardless, that they'll instigate a disciplinary if he doesn't, etc. Probably because they couldn't get another driver on short notice.

DH responded by handing in his notice, saying he wasn't working for people who treat their staff this way. He's an HGV driver, so can quite obviously get another job pretty fast. They've left a voicemail calling him spiteful and unprofessional and saying they won't give him a reference, he was incredibly unreasonable to quit and if he has a problem he should go down the grievance route.

Was he BU? Because I don't bloody think so! But maybe it's because I'm too annoyed on his behalf.

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DogInATent · 22/10/2021 12:22

Quite right for him, and he needs to report this to the HSE:
www.hse.gov.uk/contact/concerns.htm

He shouldn't have problems getting another HGV driving job, probably with a sign-on bonus.

ArblemarchTFruitbat · 22/10/2021 12:23

With the shortage of HGV drivers they are mad to treat him so badly (not that it would be acceptable if there were a surplus of drivers, but discounting all reasonability, from a commercial point of view it's idiotic).

As his skills are in high demand he'll easily get another job.

Hope he recovers soon.

catgirl1976 · 22/10/2021 12:24

Ignore the people telling him to speak to ACAS

Speak to a solicitor. You'll need ACAS for early mediation certificate but other than that they are useless. Get actual legal advice.

Crinkle77 · 22/10/2021 12:26

He wasn't unreasonable at all. Hopefully he'll get another job quickly enough what with the shortage of drivers at the moment.

catgirl1976 · 22/10/2021 12:28

oh - and if you are worried about the cost of a solicitor a) most will give you some free advice to start with and b) your home insurance may cover it

Definitely report to HSE. I'd be tempted by the media but wouldn't want to prejudice any action so would sit on my hands

candycane222 · 22/10/2021 12:33

Jesus, he's well shot of them, and he was only BU not to sack them off sooner!

I imagine the people in the office are incredibly stressed by The Situation, it must be awful for them. But carrying on like that and breaking every rule going, is NOT going to help them recruit and retain good, conscientous staff like your DH. Idiots.

I second the advice about joining a union, too.

Just tell you DH from me that there are a lot of us out here incredibly grateful for (and somewhat in awe of) what he does, thank him, and urge him to pick his next employer carefully!

Hope he feels better soon Flowers

Keladrythesaviour · 22/10/2021 12:40

He was unreasonable, it sounds shit. But I think he was stupid. Self certify, turn your phone off and wait for the apparent dismissal. Then take them to tribunal.

At least with the shortages he should find work quickly enough.

Keladrythesaviour · 22/10/2021 12:40

Grrr *wasn't unreasonable

Brefugee · 22/10/2021 12:47

As he was there less than 2 years I doubt it is worth the aggro of the constructive dismissal route because I think he wouldn't really come out with any money.

Why do you think it should be about money? It should be about making the company, who are probably doing this to all their drivers, stop behaving like utter arseholes to their precious resource (HGV drivers) and probably acting illegally in saying his job might be in jeopardy if he calls in sick.

Agree that he should have self certified and handed in his notice after 7 days though, that might have bought him some time. And got him some more emails / texts to drop them in the shite with.

Coyoacan · 22/10/2021 12:53

His immediate bosses might be dicks but head office will know this is a tribunal claim/PR nightmare waiting to happen. He could also report them for non compliance with Covid rules

This. And it is all on writing in the emails!

To my mind it is not just covid rules. The road safety hazard of having very sick man behind the wheel of a HGV is madness

ilovesooty · 22/10/2021 12:54

Did he at any point raise a grievance while he was working there?

It sounds as though he might have resigned without observing the notice period - is that the case?

itsasmallworldafterall · 22/10/2021 13:00

Is there a union that HGV drivers can join?

Canii · 22/10/2021 13:17

Covid aside, he’s a HGV driver he could kill people if he goes to work when he’s unwell.
What the fuck is wrong with these people?
I would be reporting them to whoever you can report them to.
He can find another job easily.

NelsonMandelaHouse · 22/10/2021 13:17

@ilovesooty

Did he at any point raise a grievance while he was working there?

It sounds as though he might have resigned without observing the notice period - is that the case?

He gave in his notice, he's still employed by them Until his notice period ends

He certainly did say many times that this is against guidance, said he was too unwell to drive, expressed his concern to the area manager and was told he'd be "leaving everyone in the shit" if he was off

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Mummyoflittledragon · 22/10/2021 13:19

I think I’d consult an employment solicitor if you can afford it. They should be able to give advice for a couple of hundred pounds. And report them to HSE.

JudgeRindersMinder · 22/10/2021 13:20

I hope he feels better soon..he most certainly was not being unreasonable.

People wonder why we can’t seem to get on top of this pandemic when we have employers carrying on like this!

HikingforScenery · 22/10/2021 13:23

Ok my goodness! Your poor DH.
Sure, they might be very busy but that’s surely more reason to treat your employees better to ensure you hold on to them?

So sorry to hear he’s been treated like this Confused

HikingforScenery · 22/10/2021 13:23

@BlueSuffragette

Please ask him to report them for breaching government guidance re Covid. This company needs to be investigated for poor working practices. Name and shame.
This
RandomMess · 22/10/2021 13:24

Please report.

Disgusting and illegal - who wants unwell staff on the roads driving potentially lethal weapons.

I hope your DH recovers quickly and in full.

Thanks
Couldhavebeenme3 · 22/10/2021 13:29

HR/whistleblowing
ACAS - poss constructive dismissal (or whatever its called, I've got a foggy head)
PCR test then carefully list every member of staff in the office when test and trace get in touch.

And thanks to your dp for refusing to get behind the wheel when he's feeling so rough.

Cocomarine · 22/10/2021 13:32

No idea why you’re posting this as an AIBU… one of the least unreasonable threads I’ve ever seen on here 🤣
Seriously - you shouldn’t second guess yourself like this.

HGV firms are under a huge amount of pressure right now. There’s masses of misinformation out there - and people aren’t all that bright. Things like thinking you can’t have Covid twice (government pushed that kind of thinking with herd immunity) and a general distrust of LFTs. The fact that he had one negative just emphasises the lack of reliability. So I actually can see that a highly pressured manager who also wasn’t too bright might genuinely believe the jury was still out on whether your husband has Covid.

BUT… even if he didn’t have it, you have to be well enough to drive and your husband’s word that he wasn’t, is enough.

At least with the shortage, he’ll get work no problem. Hope he’s well again quickly Flowers

gingercatsparky · 22/10/2021 13:35

Christ, that's terrible. No wonder so many drivers have left the profession. He was right to quit but I would worry about that reference. Don't they have to give one now a days?

Sea62648 · 22/10/2021 13:36

He can't claim for constructive dismissal if he has less than two years service. It sounds more like disability discrimination - he has asthma and they've not made any adjustments for him with regards to that and covid?

takenforgrantednana · 22/10/2021 14:01

@itsasmallworldafterall

Is there a union that HGV drivers can join?
@itsasmallworldafterall its called the transport and general workers union
takenforgrantednana · 22/10/2021 14:07

@gingercatsparky

Christ, that's terrible. No wonder so many drivers have left the profession. He was right to quit but I would worry about that reference. Don't they have to give one now a days?
this kind of attitude to drivers has long been the problem, well before covid the employers would treat the drivers with such contempt, i could tell you a few stories of the things they do, but would take way to long, but a little simple one is that we would arrive back into the yard and refuel and then collect our next trailor, then at the end of the week hand in our time sheets, we would then find out the following week when we got our pay packets that we had been docked the time for fuel and trailer! you soon got wise to the though, and when away from base simply once unloaded, would sit quietly in the customers yard and get the time back or particularly on a friday would make sure you timed the loads so that you never got back in the depot to have enough time for them to send you back out again

and yes any employer has to give a reference, the very least of one maybe, of just confirming that you worked in such and such capacity and the length of time you worked there for, but they legally cant not give a reference