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Was DH BU to hand in his notice

193 replies

NelsonMandelaHouse · 22/10/2021 09:21

DH works driving HGVs.

Recently, he's fallen ill with a chest infection type illness with a spiking temperature and was caught up in the PCR fuckup so was was alarmed to hear that his negative might not have been a negative. He had Covid in the first wave, and is scared to get it again as he's asthmatic. He told work, who had been bastards about him being ill anyway, "bantering" about him drinking lemsip and using his inhalers, and the boss made him think his job was in jeopardy if he took time off for illness, so he had been working through it. He came home on his break and I helped him take a lateral flow and it had a line. Not glaringly bright but clearly there. He told work as soon as he got back to the yard, where he had to go to return the work vehicle. They marched him to the office and made him take multiple lateral flow tests, saying it was company policy. He said he didn't want to take them, he'd already taken one and he didn't know what taking four at once would show, even if they were all negative, he had one positive and had been asked to retake his PCR, he has symptoms, he needs to go home! And, reason I have to help him take them is because he's got such a sensitive gag reflex that he panics doing it himself and that can set off an asthma attack.

Why make him take multiple?? Three were positive, one was negative. They held up the negative and called him a bullshitter, because he's already had Covid and you can't get it again. DH said "sorry, but I'm already feeling ill and one negative test doesn't count out the four positives I've had today. I need to go home, take a PCR and you all should probably take one as well."

They refused to let him go home and told him if he did, he'd lose his job! We have three kids to support. DH reluctantly drove for the rest of the day and then came home. He looked awful, he had a fever again and he emailed in to work (their preferred method) and said he would not come in the next day, he needed to take a PCR and he felt too ill to be behind the wheel of a huge vehicle.

They went mental. Messaging his personal phone, telling him he's expected in regardless, that they'll instigate a disciplinary if he doesn't, etc. Probably because they couldn't get another driver on short notice.

DH responded by handing in his notice, saying he wasn't working for people who treat their staff this way. He's an HGV driver, so can quite obviously get another job pretty fast. They've left a voicemail calling him spiteful and unprofessional and saying they won't give him a reference, he was incredibly unreasonable to quit and if he has a problem he should go down the grievance route.

Was he BU? Because I don't bloody think so! But maybe it's because I'm too annoyed on his behalf.

OP posts:
TheyWentToSeaInASieve · 22/10/2021 11:12

Wishing him a swift recovery, OP. And while he is there, he should get his CV shipshape and look for another vacancy. He will be snapped up, he can negotiate a better salary, now is not the time to be horrible to HGV drivers!!

Definitely the right decision to walk away from a company that treats its employees so badly! If he is asked why he left, he can always say he felt they were breaking the law by forcing him to expose his colleagues to the virus.

Pyewackect · 22/10/2021 11:13

Constructive dismissal. Speak to CA.

stillonthattightrope · 22/10/2021 11:18

I'm going to guess that HR will be picking this up. His immediate bosses might be dicks but head office will know this is a tribunal claim/PR nightmare waiting to happen. He could also report them for non compliance with Covid rules.

Rollercoaster1920 · 22/10/2021 11:19

As he was there less than 2 years I doubt it is worth the aggro of the constructive dismissal route because I think he wouldn't really come out with any money. he has handed in his notice so make sure you follow the sickness process so he receives what is owing.

I'd also be tempted to report to the H&S directorate - telling someone with a positive to go out delivering? Telling someone who is saying they are too sick to drive to drive?

Of course he should have said no anyway and self certified - he is legally obliged to ensure he is safe to drive.

BluebellsGreenbells · 22/10/2021 11:22

I would report them for the covid rules being broken. Your husband had a legal duty to isolate and get tested. He’s been treated appallingly and I assume others have been as well.

caketiger · 22/10/2021 11:26

I work in HR. That is all horrendous. Has he been working there longer than 2 years? If he has he could have a case for constructive dismissal. Get him to write down everything that happened.

stillonthattightrope · 22/10/2021 11:28

@Rollercoaster1920

As he was there less than 2 years I doubt it is worth the aggro of the constructive dismissal route because I think he wouldn't really come out with any money. he has handed in his notice so make sure you follow the sickness process so he receives what is owing.

I'd also be tempted to report to the H&S directorate - telling someone with a positive to go out delivering? Telling someone who is saying they are too sick to drive to drive?

Of course he should have said no anyway and self certified - he is legally obliged to ensure he is safe to drive.

The OP said nearly two years which includes the notice period so depends how close he is.

My instinct is even if this met the conditions for ET, it wouldn't get that far and they would settle.

SpiderinaWingMirror · 22/10/2021 11:30

I hate to say it but I'm not even surprised by his treatment. The standard of management is dire. The only hope is thar these businesses start listening to why people just walk out.

TracyLords · 22/10/2021 11:31

I’d be telling the HR dept you will be going to the media and Also getting a solicitor. They will probably offer a settlement

MatildaIThink · 22/10/2021 11:33

His work sounds awful, he will be better off out, he does not need a reference and he will probably find a new, better paid job in a matter of days.

Ilovechristmasasmuchasiloveyou · 22/10/2021 11:34

He wasn't being unreasonable at all.
Asshole companies.

ittakes2 · 22/10/2021 11:35

That's appaulling on all levels. Yes he should absolutely quit.
My husband's company hires HGV workers - they get paid if they need to isolate. The company has an O license and take safety very seriously. They wouldn't have made him come in let alone drive. Your husband can really do better.
Completely as an aside, do you know if you order the lateral flow tests online for home delivery the ones that arrive are the nose only swabs they are much better than the throat and nose swabs.
I hope he feels better soon.

authenticforgery · 22/10/2021 11:40

Not unreasonable. They've behaved appallingly.

GnomeDePlume · 22/10/2021 11:42

now is not the time to be horrible to HGV drivers!!

Absolutely! I work in logistics, HGV drivers are scarcer than hens' teeth.

I am guessing that the behaviour of the manager was down to panic. They cant not give him a reference, anyway a reference is just confirmation that you worked between X & Y periods.

takenforgrantednana · 22/10/2021 11:45

@NelsonMandelaHouse

DH works driving HGVs.

Recently, he's fallen ill with a chest infection type illness with a spiking temperature and was caught up in the PCR fuckup so was was alarmed to hear that his negative might not have been a negative. He had Covid in the first wave, and is scared to get it again as he's asthmatic. He told work, who had been bastards about him being ill anyway, "bantering" about him drinking lemsip and using his inhalers, and the boss made him think his job was in jeopardy if he took time off for illness, so he had been working through it. He came home on his break and I helped him take a lateral flow and it had a line. Not glaringly bright but clearly there. He told work as soon as he got back to the yard, where he had to go to return the work vehicle. They marched him to the office and made him take multiple lateral flow tests, saying it was company policy. He said he didn't want to take them, he'd already taken one and he didn't know what taking four at once would show, even if they were all negative, he had one positive and had been asked to retake his PCR, he has symptoms, he needs to go home! And, reason I have to help him take them is because he's got such a sensitive gag reflex that he panics doing it himself and that can set off an asthma attack.

Why make him take multiple?? Three were positive, one was negative. They held up the negative and called him a bullshitter, because he's already had Covid and you can't get it again. DH said "sorry, but I'm already feeling ill and one negative test doesn't count out the four positives I've had today. I need to go home, take a PCR and you all should probably take one as well."

They refused to let him go home and told him if he did, he'd lose his job! We have three kids to support. DH reluctantly drove for the rest of the day and then came home. He looked awful, he had a fever again and he emailed in to work (their preferred method) and said he would not come in the next day, he needed to take a PCR and he felt too ill to be behind the wheel of a huge vehicle.

They went mental. Messaging his personal phone, telling him he's expected in regardless, that they'll instigate a disciplinary if he doesn't, etc. Probably because they couldn't get another driver on short notice.

DH responded by handing in his notice, saying he wasn't working for people who treat their staff this way. He's an HGV driver, so can quite obviously get another job pretty fast. They've left a voicemail calling him spiteful and unprofessional and saying they won't give him a reference, he was incredibly unreasonable to quit and if he has a problem he should go down the grievance route.

Was he BU? Because I don't bloody think so! But maybe it's because I'm too annoyed on his behalf.

health and safety executive, acas and anyone else you can think of, even newspapers to get this story out of what his employers have done. name and shame the employer even on here! plenty of wives reading this and talk to their husbands

no he wasnt being unreasonable to leave the job, and more the fool for any other employee that stays working there knowing how he got treated oh get in touch with employment agencies a for getting registered for himself but also to let them know what this company is like

Disfordarkchocolate · 22/10/2021 11:45

Good for him.

I'm sure he will get a better job.

Nanny0gg · 22/10/2021 11:53

As long as he can get a reference from a past employer or colleague then references don't matter. (I know of companies that refuse to give them)

They can go to hell. Hopefully he'll have the pick of jobs when he's better

And get him on Glassdoor to leave a company review.

Hetty0 · 22/10/2021 12:02

He needs to contact HR (consecutive dismissal) and Public Health England / your local council.

whynotwhatknot · 22/10/2021 12:04

Appaling just tell hr everything they said

and of course you can get covid twice twats

SunshineCake1 · 22/10/2021 12:07

OMG you know he wasn't being unreasonable. It sounds like he has handled himself very well. Don't worry about reference. It's clear he can show what has happened. I would be tempted to report them. They are putting lives at risk. HGV driver, huge lorry, becomes unwell, crashes...

UltimateBugKilla · 22/10/2021 12:13

My notice would have gone in the day before, id be reporting them too, HGV jobs are out there by the hundreds, I hope he doesn't go back there and finds somewhere that appreciates him.

FormerTilb · 22/10/2021 12:16

If he has this all in writing, he needs to report to HSE as well. The company have a legal obligation to abide by covid legislation including (fucking obviously) requiring staff to isolate if symptomatic.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 22/10/2021 12:17

They sound like arseholes and I'm sure your DH will be snapped up by another company soon.

Four lateral flow tests at once? What is the effing point in that? Are they stupid?

his job was in jeopardy if he took time off for illness

That is illegal. I think it's also called sick leave.

Does he belong to a union? This really needs reporting.

chipshopElvis · 22/10/2021 12:18

Of course he wasn't being unreasonable. His employers behaved terribly and are utter fools.

BlueSuffragette · 22/10/2021 12:20

Please ask him to report them for breaching government guidance re Covid. This company needs to be investigated for poor working practices. Name and shame.