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Was DH BU to hand in his notice

193 replies

NelsonMandelaHouse · 22/10/2021 09:21

DH works driving HGVs.

Recently, he's fallen ill with a chest infection type illness with a spiking temperature and was caught up in the PCR fuckup so was was alarmed to hear that his negative might not have been a negative. He had Covid in the first wave, and is scared to get it again as he's asthmatic. He told work, who had been bastards about him being ill anyway, "bantering" about him drinking lemsip and using his inhalers, and the boss made him think his job was in jeopardy if he took time off for illness, so he had been working through it. He came home on his break and I helped him take a lateral flow and it had a line. Not glaringly bright but clearly there. He told work as soon as he got back to the yard, where he had to go to return the work vehicle. They marched him to the office and made him take multiple lateral flow tests, saying it was company policy. He said he didn't want to take them, he'd already taken one and he didn't know what taking four at once would show, even if they were all negative, he had one positive and had been asked to retake his PCR, he has symptoms, he needs to go home! And, reason I have to help him take them is because he's got such a sensitive gag reflex that he panics doing it himself and that can set off an asthma attack.

Why make him take multiple?? Three were positive, one was negative. They held up the negative and called him a bullshitter, because he's already had Covid and you can't get it again. DH said "sorry, but I'm already feeling ill and one negative test doesn't count out the four positives I've had today. I need to go home, take a PCR and you all should probably take one as well."

They refused to let him go home and told him if he did, he'd lose his job! We have three kids to support. DH reluctantly drove for the rest of the day and then came home. He looked awful, he had a fever again and he emailed in to work (their preferred method) and said he would not come in the next day, he needed to take a PCR and he felt too ill to be behind the wheel of a huge vehicle.

They went mental. Messaging his personal phone, telling him he's expected in regardless, that they'll instigate a disciplinary if he doesn't, etc. Probably because they couldn't get another driver on short notice.

DH responded by handing in his notice, saying he wasn't working for people who treat their staff this way. He's an HGV driver, so can quite obviously get another job pretty fast. They've left a voicemail calling him spiteful and unprofessional and saying they won't give him a reference, he was incredibly unreasonable to quit and if he has a problem he should go down the grievance route.

Was he BU? Because I don't bloody think so! But maybe it's because I'm too annoyed on his behalf.

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3scape · 22/10/2021 09:45

They're behaviour is all kinds of fucked up and unprofessional! He's quite right to leave for a more legit operation as they sound pretty fast and loose With employment there.

3scape · 22/10/2021 09:47

*their obviously

ImUninsultable · 22/10/2021 09:54

Do they have a whistleblower policy for stuff like that?

If he emails HR and adds that he is whilst blowing and wants his reference protected then that should sort out the reference issue.

BubblesThaDragoon · 22/10/2021 10:00

I’m fuming for you both - who do they thing they are?! I’d seek advice from ACAS and make them well aware you are doing so!!! I’d also mention that he’s concerned they are forcing employees to break Covid guidelines putting others at risk - never mind the fact he’s ill and driving a massive fuck off vehicle!!!

Is he a member of a union?

I’d refuse to speak by phone and communicate everything in writing so they can attempt to wriggle out of it at a later date.

TractorAndHeadphones · 22/10/2021 10:02

Given the shortage of HGV drivers I’m surprised they’re treating him like this.
Hand in notice, other companies will be falling over themselves to hire him

theemmadilemma · 22/10/2021 10:02

That's disgusting. I hope HR pick it up. Almost a shame he didn't let them try to fire him so he could take them to tribunal.

vixeyann · 22/10/2021 10:05

Sounds like constructive dismissal, get some advice now. I would report to HSE too.

2Two · 22/10/2021 10:05

I don't disagree with his decision to give in his notice, but if this was a big company it would have made sense to go over his immediate bosses' heads to HR first.

unim · 22/10/2021 10:05

Save the voicemail. You can use it to take them to tribunal for unfair dismissal if needed. It would be a good idea to record it on your phone (eg play it on his and press record on the voice recorder on yours) as well as saving it on his voicemail, as on voicemail they can sometimes disappear after a certain period of time even if saved.

Talk to ACAS and/or the union if he is a union member.

Shocking behaviour with any kind of illness - and especially with Covid where working with a positive test will put others at risk!

unim · 22/10/2021 10:06

I honestly think employers should be prosecuted for this kind of behaviour. It is a public health risk.

Tilltheend99 · 22/10/2021 10:07

YANBU the way they have treated your husband is appalling. It is possible to get Covid twice. He should take his case to a tribunal for compensation, especially if he is in a Union. You should also report the company to the Health and Safety executive as they are making their workplace unsafe.

REP22 · 22/10/2021 10:09

Not unreasonable at all. His employers sound like amoral bstrds. Agree with all the others who say retain the messages and go to ACAS or Citizens Advice - it does sound like bullying and possible constructive dismissal. Not to mention the H&S aspect of trying to force a demonstrably unwell person to drive an HGV against his own better judgement. That could have caused a major road accident and killed people. WTF were they thinking? They should be reported for forcing unfit drivers to jeopardise lives.

Good on you for supporting him. I send you all the very best. I hope your DH feels better soon and that he finds a new job with a more humane employer. Every good wish to you. x

1frenchfoodie · 22/10/2021 10:09

He wasnt BU at all, that is appaling behaviour from his employers, who seem perfectly happy to endanger eveyones health, employees and other road users.

I agree that getting HR/union support so that others are less likely to suffer the same and help avoid any reference issues sounds sensible.

Sittingonabench · 22/10/2021 10:19

That is beyond disgusting behaviour from them and I agree sounds like constructive dismissal. If I were him I wouldn’t want to work for them either not only based on the pressure to work while I’ll but the completely unprofessional response. He can hand his notice in at any time for whatever reason and then refusing to give a reference because he quit is nonsense. Keep the contact number for HR in case he does hit problems with this. How stressful for you both. I hope he feels better soon.

hazelnutlatte · 22/10/2021 10:22

Not unreasonable at all, as HGV drivers are in high demand he will get another job quickly and might even be able to negotiate better pay. I don't think not having a reference will make much difference. As someone who has worked with HGV drivers in the past I can tell you that having a strop and quitting for any number of reasons is common and a new employer is not going to care as long as he has a clean licence!
(Not suggesting that your DH had a strop or was badly behaved - just that a new employer is not going to care about the circumstances in which he left his last job)

Cantthinkofaname21 · 22/10/2021 10:23

That is rubbish behaviour from his employer, unprofessional and putting themselves at risk of now getting Covid.

Whether it was right or wrong handing in his notice, I can completely understand why!!

Before all this covid world my husband was very ill and his manager wanted him to travel for a meeting (driving for over 6 hours to attend) he explained to his manager that he wasn’t well and like your husband they weren’t supportive - very aggressive. My husband went to the GP he had a chest infection and the GP signed him of work for a week and antibiotics. When calling his manager to inform them the answer back was that was convient - awful behaviour! My husband once better put effort into to finding a new role and 3 months later handed his notice in (awful bullying during those months) . His colleagues (all bullied by the manager but my husband took the worse of it) begged him to report the manager to HR. His exit meeting he informed the HR person of the behaviour he experienced (he was so worried that it would affect his reference) HR did nothing to protect the others who then either moved on themselves or sadly went on long term sick.
Honestly don’t get how people get away with being so awful in a management position.

Mumoftwoinprimary · 22/10/2021 10:26

I hope he breathed hard in the faces of those who didn’t believe he had Covid. After all - he was lying about the Covid so it couldn’t possibly make them ill….

Lightswitch123 · 22/10/2021 10:29

This sounds nuts!

SerendipityJane · 22/10/2021 10:43

This is what the Dutch guy was warning off last week on the radio. The UK is becoming a haven for exploitative HGV employers.

No real point in going to the media - they like to print news, not stuff everybody already knows.

blubberyboo · 22/10/2021 10:51

He defo wasn’t unreasonable and it’s conditions like this that HGV drivers are putting up with all the time. This is why nobody stays in the industry

Second what others have said, report and retain all evidence
Alas
Citizens advise
HSE
Public health agency
HR

He’ll get agency work and can use their reference to get permanent work later. Even if he stayed they will bully him about something else so he should leave while jobs are available

Chloemol · 22/10/2021 10:54

He is not being unreasonable

I would just text back that after all these texts, arms how they have behaved you are seeking legal advice about suing deformed constructive dismissal

That may shit them up

Seasonschange · 22/10/2021 10:57

Good on your dh. What a stupid manager to treat him so badly when there is such a shortage of drivers.. Dont worry about the reference to much.If it’s a U.K. company the reference might come from central HR anyway. I’m sure he’ll find more work when he’s well again. Especially in the run up to Christmas !

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 22/10/2021 11:02

He’s not unreasonable at all.

He could probably take them to the employment tribunal for constructive dismissal- basically when someone has no choice but to quit. Obviously take legal advice though.

DameFanny · 22/10/2021 11:03

He wasn't BU at all. It might be worth talking to an employment lawyer, and absolutely send all the messages to the Health and Safety Executive because they've broken all sorts of laws. I'd also copy that email to the National office, because I imagine they'd want to know

And have him join a union - doesn't even need to be working right now to join, and then the membership - with all the access to legal advice etc - will be there for his next job.

I hope he gets better soon. Flowers

AryaStarkWolf · 22/10/2021 11:06

NU at all, he should take a case against them, very shoddy behaviour by them. I hope your DH is OK

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