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Was DH BU to hand in his notice

193 replies

NelsonMandelaHouse · 22/10/2021 09:21

DH works driving HGVs.

Recently, he's fallen ill with a chest infection type illness with a spiking temperature and was caught up in the PCR fuckup so was was alarmed to hear that his negative might not have been a negative. He had Covid in the first wave, and is scared to get it again as he's asthmatic. He told work, who had been bastards about him being ill anyway, "bantering" about him drinking lemsip and using his inhalers, and the boss made him think his job was in jeopardy if he took time off for illness, so he had been working through it. He came home on his break and I helped him take a lateral flow and it had a line. Not glaringly bright but clearly there. He told work as soon as he got back to the yard, where he had to go to return the work vehicle. They marched him to the office and made him take multiple lateral flow tests, saying it was company policy. He said he didn't want to take them, he'd already taken one and he didn't know what taking four at once would show, even if they were all negative, he had one positive and had been asked to retake his PCR, he has symptoms, he needs to go home! And, reason I have to help him take them is because he's got such a sensitive gag reflex that he panics doing it himself and that can set off an asthma attack.

Why make him take multiple?? Three were positive, one was negative. They held up the negative and called him a bullshitter, because he's already had Covid and you can't get it again. DH said "sorry, but I'm already feeling ill and one negative test doesn't count out the four positives I've had today. I need to go home, take a PCR and you all should probably take one as well."

They refused to let him go home and told him if he did, he'd lose his job! We have three kids to support. DH reluctantly drove for the rest of the day and then came home. He looked awful, he had a fever again and he emailed in to work (their preferred method) and said he would not come in the next day, he needed to take a PCR and he felt too ill to be behind the wheel of a huge vehicle.

They went mental. Messaging his personal phone, telling him he's expected in regardless, that they'll instigate a disciplinary if he doesn't, etc. Probably because they couldn't get another driver on short notice.

DH responded by handing in his notice, saying he wasn't working for people who treat their staff this way. He's an HGV driver, so can quite obviously get another job pretty fast. They've left a voicemail calling him spiteful and unprofessional and saying they won't give him a reference, he was incredibly unreasonable to quit and if he has a problem he should go down the grievance route.

Was he BU? Because I don't bloody think so! But maybe it's because I'm too annoyed on his behalf.

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stillonthattightrope · 23/10/2021 18:56

I really wouldn't trust that PCR result given the positive lateral flows. That doesn't sound right at all. Glad he's been seen.

puddleduckmummy · 23/10/2021 18:57

@NelsonMandelaHouse This is so similar to what happened to my husband (also a HGV driver). Different presenting issue but same bullying behaviour from the company. He was bullied out his job treated absolutely appallingly, he now has a much better job in a much nicer company.

If he hands his notice in and walks away, he has grounds for constructive dismissal.

pelosi · 23/10/2021 18:59

They've left a voicemail calling him spiteful and unprofessional and saying they won't give him a reference, he was incredibly unreasonable to quit and if he has a problem he should go down the grievance route.

Why would an employer actively encourage an employee who has resigned to raise a grievance?

EnjoyingTheSilence · 23/10/2021 19:05

You would have thought that employers would have bent over backwards to keep HGV drivers right now. Was this the head office or a local branch manager? If local, I would report them to the head office, surely they won’t be happy that someone is losing them drivers. Hope you all feel better soon

Graphista · 23/10/2021 19:08

Jesus name and shame these utter ARSEHOLES!

They're response put so many people at risk inc themselves!

I was in glasgow when that driver crashed into a crowd of people a few years back, regardless of whether it's Covid or not (and it seems pretty likely it is!) if he doesn't feel well enough to drive safely he shouldn't be driving!

Dicks!

Is he in a union?

itsgettingwierd · 23/10/2021 19:10

I don't think he'll struggle to get a job even without a reference.

They are crying out for drivers (not surprising if this is how they're treated Angry) and can always tell new company he handed in his notice due to harassment because he had covid and couldn't work.

Graphista · 23/10/2021 19:11

because there is a possibility that this could be constructive dismissal.

Yep!

But be aware there are time limits on getting this dealt with. That's basically what happened to me in my last job but due to ill health (caused by this!) it was too late by the time I started to look into it I think it's 6 months ?

itsgettingwierd · 23/10/2021 19:14

@itsgettingwierd

I don't think he'll struggle to get a job even without a reference.

They are crying out for drivers (not surprising if this is how they're treated Angry) and can always tell new company he handed in his notice due to harassment because he had covid and couldn't work.

Sorry missed your lastest update.

Glad he has some interviews and pcr was negative. Chances are it may have been positive a week ago so I'd get your younger one with symptoms tested.

Hope the antibiotics work and he feels better soon.

janj2301 · 23/10/2021 19:26

My husband was a bus driver and treated just as badly. No respect for the skill these guys have.

DaisyStiener · 23/10/2021 19:27

Obviously not
He’s the one in demand right now-he’s golfing the cards so to speak.
I’m sure he’ll get a new one ASAP
He could call it constructive dismissal

Best of luck Flowers

Tigger1895 · 23/10/2021 19:39

No he definitely wasn’t being unreasonable. I hope he’s kept all the messages and voicemails. He would have a case for constructive dismissal based on what you have said and they would be evidence to prove it.

Bard6817 · 23/10/2021 19:42

Brilliant. He did exactly what he should do.

He will probably end up with more money and a bit more respect.

In the interview for a new role, be honest about the company he left. No need to wrap it up in cotton wool, tell them they treated him terribly when he had a positive lateral flow and was Covid symptomatic and promised an awfull reference.

He is a brave man, with a good partner who supports him. You will get through this and i’ve always found these things happen for a reason.

Mollymoostoo · 23/10/2021 20:24

@NelsonMandelaHouse

DH works driving HGVs.

Recently, he's fallen ill with a chest infection type illness with a spiking temperature and was caught up in the PCR fuckup so was was alarmed to hear that his negative might not have been a negative. He had Covid in the first wave, and is scared to get it again as he's asthmatic. He told work, who had been bastards about him being ill anyway, "bantering" about him drinking lemsip and using his inhalers, and the boss made him think his job was in jeopardy if he took time off for illness, so he had been working through it. He came home on his break and I helped him take a lateral flow and it had a line. Not glaringly bright but clearly there. He told work as soon as he got back to the yard, where he had to go to return the work vehicle. They marched him to the office and made him take multiple lateral flow tests, saying it was company policy. He said he didn't want to take them, he'd already taken one and he didn't know what taking four at once would show, even if they were all negative, he had one positive and had been asked to retake his PCR, he has symptoms, he needs to go home! And, reason I have to help him take them is because he's got such a sensitive gag reflex that he panics doing it himself and that can set off an asthma attack.

Why make him take multiple?? Three were positive, one was negative. They held up the negative and called him a bullshitter, because he's already had Covid and you can't get it again. DH said "sorry, but I'm already feeling ill and one negative test doesn't count out the four positives I've had today. I need to go home, take a PCR and you all should probably take one as well."

They refused to let him go home and told him if he did, he'd lose his job! We have three kids to support. DH reluctantly drove for the rest of the day and then came home. He looked awful, he had a fever again and he emailed in to work (their preferred method) and said he would not come in the next day, he needed to take a PCR and he felt too ill to be behind the wheel of a huge vehicle.

They went mental. Messaging his personal phone, telling him he's expected in regardless, that they'll instigate a disciplinary if he doesn't, etc. Probably because they couldn't get another driver on short notice.

DH responded by handing in his notice, saying he wasn't working for people who treat their staff this way. He's an HGV driver, so can quite obviously get another job pretty fast. They've left a voicemail calling him spiteful and unprofessional and saying they won't give him a reference, he was incredibly unreasonable to quit and if he has a problem he should go down the grievance route.

Was he BU? Because I don't bloody think so! But maybe it's because I'm too annoyed on his behalf.

Email your MP and email his employer telling them you are taking this to a tribunal for Co structure dismissal.
Mollymoostoo · 23/10/2021 20:25

Constructive dismissal

Strangeways19 · 23/10/2021 20:39

Constructive dismissal, make a claim.
So sorry he's going through this, & you.

FrozenWillow · 23/10/2021 20:57

Definitely not BU. My partner just left a job he'd literally just started due to the micromanaging boss. The boss was in another country and was watching their staff from that country via weblink.

If your DH is part of a union, I'd contact them and it seems something that needs to be reported to the Department of Health as well. If this company is not taking this seriously, and your DH has just driven around the country with covid - who knows who he's passed it to? And totally not his fault either, but the fault of his shitty boss! Drag them over hot coals lovely. Take them all the way to the top. Get MP involved as well.

Good luck.

ballerina1971 · 23/10/2021 21:15

He is not BU and I agree with others, contact ACAS and this might be considered Constructive Dismissal. If you choose to pursue it, have a look at your Home Insurance. My Dad took his place of work to a Tribunal on Constructive Dismissal grounds and used the House Insurance to cover legal Fees. In my Dad's case, he won. I hope your husband feels better soon. The company sound a right harassing/bullying bunch if shits and very unprofessional

surreygirl1987 · 23/10/2021 21:20

Goodness! His employers are definitely the unreasonable / awful ones. But your husband should definitely get in touch with ACAS and/or union.

LibranNan · 23/10/2021 21:37

What an awful bullying experience your husband had to go through .The only reason I would say not to quit would be to not give them the satisfaction , but I don't think he was left much choice .I really hope they don't get away with this . Unfortunately employers like this don't really care two hoots ,it's all about the money ,not people or even a pandemic ! Too many around like this at different degrees and unfortunately the unions are weaker than they use to be .

skodadoda · 23/10/2021 21:42

@arootintootingoodtime

I agree, talk to ACAS because that does sound like it might be constructive dismissal.

Sorry he was treated this way and is feeling poorly. Hope he feels better soon.

This. Don’t delay.
NeverChange · 23/10/2021 21:49

He sounds like a man who knows his worth and his limits. Given the industry he knows he'll get a job quickly even without a reference. If they treat their staff like that, I'm sure others in the industry are aware of it.

If he were my DH, I would be pretty proud of him right now & also look forward to the payment he can pursue due to constructive dismissal. Keep all evidence.

Ancientmale · 23/10/2021 22:00

It is constructive dismal, but it’s not that easy to do something about it unless prepared to tackle the lawyers that big firms can use. Certainly contact ACAS and HSE just to report and then breathe a little. Ask for a reference but don’t worry about not getting one. He’ll get a job for certain. Good luck to you all.

Ddot · 23/10/2021 22:10

Companies treating staff like sh** is very common now. It's just money and nothing else that matters. Someone should remind them that if you treat your staff with respect and dignity your staff will repay you ten fold.

Ddot · 23/10/2021 22:13

Get another job, then tell all the staff at the old place how lovely your new company is and poach them. Fu* the fucers, fu* em in the ear

Ddot · 23/10/2021 22:14

Sorry got carried away there