Another selfish, selfish man furious that no one was paying attention to him

[Notusuallyshocked]

This just makes me so angry...

www.suffolknews.co.uk/ipswich/news/man-who-shot-wife-and-left-her-to-die-as-he-ate-breakfast-is-9222020/

He shot his wife and left their children to find her body because she 'wasn't paying enough attention to him or his needs'.

As the judge said, 'she was carrying the entire burden of running that house whilst you took to bed.'

An 8 year minimum sentence doesn't seem long enough. Another example of undervaluing women's lives.

I don't care about this man. The fact he still refuses to engage with mental health support even after killing his wife as eliminated any sympathy or understanding I might have had.

Yes, it's almost as if he's not thinking right isn't it?

I do have a question though, assuming this man recovers and is released in 8 years will he be allowed to take full custody of those boys? That's would be awful if so.

I don't think that would ever happen. Decisions as to who looks after the boys will be made based on their best interests and I can't see it ever being in their best interests to be brought up by their mother's killer. Especially given the evidence suggests he is an entirely unfit person to have charge of two children. The boys were lucky to survive imo. This case bears chilling similarities to other family destruction cases where men snap and kill their entire families.

This is the nature of psychosis,many people with psychosis lack the capacity to understand that they are lll and they need to take medication ,some people have g to be forced to take medication in injectable forms using mental health law

This man was not psychotic all the time. That would have made him insane. At most he was a depressive hypochondriac who was alleged to have killed his wife during a psychotic episode. Even if you accept the medical evidence that he lacked capacity at the time of the killing (which the judge seemed sceptical about), he had capacity the rest of the time.

The verdict was diminished responsibility. It wasn't not guilty by reason of insanity.

Interesting comparison to read the below thread about a mother murdering her son in a similar state of dimished responsibility.

It's titled 'Poor Poor Woman' and there is much sympathy for her despite her son apparently 'howling like a dog in distress' as she suffocated him.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4147066-Poor-poor-woman

@Notusuallyshocked

This is the nature of psychosis,many people with psychosis lack the capacity to understand that they are lll and they need to take medication ,some people have g to be forced to take medication in injectable forms using mental health law

This man was not psychotic all the time. That would have made him insane. At most he was a depressive hypochondriac who was alleged to have killed his wife during a psychotic episode. Even if you accept the medical evidence that he lacked capacity at the time of the killing (which the judge seemed sceptical about), he had capacity the rest of the time.

The verdict was diminished responsibility. It wasn't not guilty by reason of insanity.

Ime Judges tend not to have a good understanding of mental illness, i would have thought ,the forensic Psychiatrist ,s who have years of experience in this field will have a better understanding of this man's illness tbh

[quote KayKayWat]Interesting comparison to read the below thread about a mother murdering her son in a similar state of dimished responsibility.

It's titled 'Poor Poor Woman' and there is much sympathy for her despite her son apparently 'howling like a dog in distress' as she suffocated him.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4147066-Poor-poor-woman[/quote]
Yep I mentioned this up thread apparently it wasn't comparable according to the op ,which are found quite sickening as the parent of a severely disabled child

@TeachesOfPeaches

He got a life sentence of 16 years with minimum 8 to be served

As I've said above, this cannot be true. A life sentence is a life sentence, it isn't determinate. You can have a life sentence with a recommendation that parole can't be considered before a minimum period has been served, but you can't then have a second date that brings the life sentence to an end. There is no mention of 16 years in other reports and it appears to be a mistake in the report linked to in this thread.

Guarantee if it had been a woman who killed her husband people would've been sympathetic, probably insinuating that he was abusive or it was down to the mental load of doing the housework.

Yep I mentioned this up thread apparently it wasn't comparable according to the op ,which are found quite sickening as the parent of a severely disabled child

But it wasn't comparable. That doesn't mean the killing of that little boy wasn't dreadful. Just that you can't draw parallels between it and the present case. The circumstances of the two killings and the mitigating/aggravating factors were entirely different...hence the different sentences.

But the psychiatric report found no evidence that he was legally insane at the time or incapable of having the intention to kill his wife

Someone must have accepted that he had no genuine intention to kill his wife (other than a a delusion-caused intention) otherwise they wouldn't have accepted the diminished responsibility plea. The elements of that are:

He was suffering from an abnormality of mental functioning;
From a recognised medical condition;
Which substantially impaired his ability to understand his conduct, form a rational judgment or exercise self-control.

If you don't understand your conduct and can't form a rational judgment, you can't frame a genuine, sane intention to kill. Plus, as has been pointed out, no-one gets committed to a mental hospital indefinitely without being seriously ill.

Why isn't it comparable ,they were both psychotic at the time of killing ,both had become ill during lockdown
Or do you not think the killing of a disabled child mattered as much
My child has similar disabilities,so I'm very aware of how hard lock down was

It has nothing to do with the victim's identity.

Their respective levels of culpability were poles apart, as was the extent to which they demonstrated remorse after the killings.

Life should equal life. End of.
Would anyone want this monster back on the streets on or off medicine? How can he be trusted as he doesn’t value life. Manslaughter should only be for genuine accidents. Sentencing is ridiculous here.
If he ever gets out he won’t be safe for public consumption. I don’t care where but he has proven that he needs to be locked up to keep others safe.

We have a case here in Ni where a man locked his wife in the car and then set it alight. She was rescued from the car but died a day or two later. Can't get my head around it tbh

There was a case near me last year ,a women randomly stabbed a little girl to death on a park ,she was also mentally ill she also got a life sentence with a minimum of 8 years ,to serve in one of the special hospitals like this man I suspect she will be in hospital for far longer,the point people are missing is that mental health services have been stripped bare for many years.

Life should equal life. End of.
Manslaughter should only be for genuine accidents

Suppose, @MumofBreck, someone you love gets into a massively abusive relationship so that they are totally ground down and become seriously mentally ill. Eventually they snap and kill the abuser. Should that person be convicted of murder and spend the rest of their life in prison?

Except this isn’t what fucking happened, is it?

Talk about trying to shift the narrative. Talk about pushing an MRA agenda

Absolutely disgusting

He was mentally ill. Courts treat people with mental health problems differently to healthy people if they did not have full mental capacity to understand their actions and have control over them.

It's an unfortunate case, and I agree there is an argument that mental health shouldn't be taken into account for people who kill and that we should have the death penalty for people like this, as the law stands the sentence is pretty harsh if anything.

I think it's a bit repulsive that the same old posters are trying to take a story about a tragedy caused by severe mental illness and shoehorn it into another diatribe about men.

Didn't the judge specifically link the killing to the wider issue of male violence against women? So it's wrong to say it's not about men. It is. Men kill and abuse women in vastly greater numbers than women kill and abuse men.

@KayKayWat

I think it's a bit repulsive that the same old posters are trying to take a story about a tragedy caused by severe mental illness and shoehorn it into another diatribe about men.

Always the same .

Always the same

Yup. So many people happy to underplay the link between male entitlement, toxic masculinity and violence against women.

@Notusuallyshocked

Always the same

Yup. So many people happy to underplay the link between male entitlement, toxic masculinity and violence against women.

Yup so many people happy to undeplay the link with psychosis and this tragedy ,the forensic psychiatrists ,believe he was ill at the time of the killing ,you know the experts who have years of training and experience in forensic mental health,and yet posters on here arrogantly believe they know better .

This whole thing is so so so sad. My heart breaks for those poor boys. I think I have been so affected because I have two boys a similar age.

It seems to me that no one really cares about those boys. All the people rushing to defend this man, justify the murder of his wife, blame everything but the toxic blend of male entitlement, mental health and access to guns.

This is the second man in months to resort to gun violence with women as his primary target, yet we are all supposed to pretend that it's nothing to do with toxic masculinity or male aggression. Instead it's just a tragic coincidence that when men have a mental health crisis its women who experience the violence, nothing to see here, move along.

One thing is for sure though we clearly need to tighten our gun laws even more. Perhaps making it mandatory for medical professionals to report concerns, with an immediate removal of weapons and a court order to get them back? Even if someone is 'just' depressed l think removing the firearms can only be a good thing.

I knew of someone who had advanced dementia and had a shotgun in the house. Was bloody terrifying at the time. Relying on people to self report simply does not work.

@startrek90

This whole thing is so so so sad. My heart breaks for those poor boys. I think I have been so affected because I have two boys a similar age.

It seems to me that no one really cares about those boys. All the people rushing to defend this man, justify the murder of his wife, blame everything but the toxic blend of male entitlement, mental health and access to guns.

This is the second man in months to resort to gun violence with women as his primary target, yet we are all supposed to pretend that it's nothing to do with toxic masculinity or male aggression. Instead it's just a tragic coincidence that when men have a mental health crisis its women who experience the violence, nothing to see here, move along.

One thing is for sure though we clearly need to tighten our gun laws even more. Perhaps making it mandatory for medical professionals to report concerns, with an immediate removal of weapons and a court order to get them back? Even if someone is 'just' depressed l think removing the firearms can only be a good thing.

I knew of someone who had advanced dementia and had a shotgun in the house. Was bloody terrifying at the time. Relying on people to self report simply does not work.

Lots of murders are to do with toxic masculinity, this one is due to a mentally ill man not getting the treatment he needed because our mental health services are under such pressure, so underfunded that they have to take risks every day as they try to work out priorities.

I'd go further with gun laws, other than farmers needing them I can't see why anyone needs a gun in the home. If you like shooting guns should be kept securely at clubs. That wouldn't be perfect, the woman I knew who killed her husband in a psychotic episode used a knife, but I think it would be a step in the right direction.