Another selfish, selfish man furious that no one was paying attention to him

[Notusuallyshocked]

This just makes me so angry...

www.suffolknews.co.uk/ipswich/news/man-who-shot-wife-and-left-her-to-die-as-he-ate-breakfast-is-9222020/

He shot his wife and left their children to find her body because she 'wasn't paying enough attention to him or his needs'.

As the judge said, 'she was carrying the entire burden of running that house whilst you took to bed.'

An 8 year minimum sentence doesn't seem long enough. Another example of undervaluing women's lives.

@KayKayWat

I just can't rub my hands together in glee and relish the suffering of a mentally ill individual who's committed a horrific crime which he'll never come back from even if he fully recovers.

Going by the woman I knew I think a full recovery can be terrible, when she realised what she had done she was destroyed. She just thought, in her psychotic state, that she was defending her children and she killed the man she loved. Imagine waking up to that realisation.

I agree that he had diminished responsiblity. But that's on him because he didn't take his medication. And for me a minimum of 8 years isn't long enough for that.

You make the mistake of assuming he was essentially the same as anyone else without MH problems who declines to take prescribed medication. If I have, say, diabetes and refuse to take my medication, I do so in the full knowledge of the consequences. However, this person was mentally ill. It could well be that the effect of his illness was such as to make him believe wholeheartedly that he simply didn't need the medication, or even that it would be harmful to him. Would it really be only "on him" if that is the case?

@Brefugee

Tbf, her 999 call was absolutely chilling. "He's bleeding to death with any luck," and musing out loud completely nonchalantly about going in and stabbing him again.

Unless she's a bona fide psychopath it sounds like diminished mental capacity to me?

I've no idea. This is where diminished responsibility becomes a fine and dangerous line to tread.

She's clearly showing zero remorse. Presumably she'll have a MH assessment to establish capacity at the time after years of apparent abuse.

You could argue that anyone that can kill their spouse in cold blood as both of these have must have MH issues of some description. Does that mean they should all be let away with lenient sentences?

Even Betty Broderick (from the Dirty John series) got 2x 15 to life and to date no parole because she doesn't show remorse even today and imo she was seriously pushed over the edge and her MH never recovered.

@PastMyBestBeforeDate

Imagine the carnage if 50 year old women started shooting people who weren't paying attention to them.

Imagine the peace and quiet without all those needy men to deal with anymore.

Assuming the judge followed the relevant case law on sentence there’s not much the court of appeal can do.

There is an awful lot of ignorance on this thread about mental illness,
People can absolutely be violent purely due to their illness i was a mental health nurse for years working in acute mental health, when someone is in the grip of psychosis they are literally out of their mind they are not in reality, and when frightened some people will be violent, or they may have delusional ideas about their loved ones wanting harm them
Its not quite as simple as saying, well he didn't take his medication so it's his fault, many people lack insight into their mental illness and don't beleive they are ill, or when they are well stop taking their medication because they don't think they need, so many people have relapses because medication refusal

@x2boys why is it usually men though?!

I have zero sympathy for this murderous twat.

@JustHereWithMyPopcorn

8 years is an insult, 16 years are in an insult. His actions were deliberate and it's murder whether they accepted a plea for manslaughter or not.

There was a tragic incident in a park near me last year, a mentally ill women, stabbed a little girl to death, completely randomly, she was also sentenced to life with a minimum of eight years, i beleive she is currently in one of the special hospitals I think people are missing the point on this thread, mental health services have always been the cinderella services of the NHS, there have been cutbacks for as long as I have known since at least the mid 90,s this is why these tragic things happen .

[quote mountbattenbergcake]@x2boys why is it usually men though?!

I have zero sympathy for this murderous twat.[/quote]
Read my other post
There was also a case last year where a mother killed her disabled child during lockdown she was suffering with psychotic depression, there was lots of sympathy for her on here.

And it's not just men, certainly not in my experience working in mental health, women could be just as violent when they were ill, of course the general public won't get to hear about that.

@x2boys

And it's not just men, certainly not in my experience working in mental health, women could be just as violent when they were ill, of course the general public won't get to hear about that.

Your completely right. 2 murders a week by women of their partners or ex partners are covered up. It’s a big fat conspiracy. 🤦🏻‍♀️

You have taken my Comment out of context I was talking in relation to mental illness.
And you have also ignored everything else I have written to prove your narrative 🙄

I agree. Women are just as bad for murdering their spouses than men. Nothing to see here.

For absolute fucks sake.

@Etinoxaurus

What narrative’s that? That male violence and toxic masculinity are a problem? That men need to stop killing women?

Please explain what you think the ‘narrative’ is.

@thedancingbear

I agree. Women are just as bad for murdering their spouses than men. Nothing to see here.

For absolute fucks sake.

People need to stop taking my comment out of context, i was Clearly talking in relation to mental illness.

@thedancingbear

What narrative’s that? That male violence and toxic masculinity are a problem? That men need to stop killing women?

Please explain what you think the ‘narrative’ is.

The man is in a secure mental health hospital,he has been assesed by people far more knowledgeable about mental illness than you as needing to be be there.

Your narrative is clear as mud. What is it? That women are as violent as men? That men suffer more MH disorders than women? That you know more about MH than anyone else on the thread? That you’re an apologist for vawg? I’m getting hints of all of these with a top note of ‘not being great at critical thinking’ is that why you @me’d @x2boys?

You’re drawing a false equivalence between the tiny number of horrific cases involving women in the throes of genuine psychotic episodes, with the epidemic of male violence against women.

Telling people to shut up because they have not personally carried out the psychological assessment on the killer is an attempt to shut down the conversation. By your rules, this thread wouldn’t exist, and people who are outraged at what’s happened would be silenced. Again.

I'm surprised at how few women are killed. It seems to be constant. Yesterday I was reading about Gracie Spinks, killed by a stalker, after another Police fuck up.

"I was reading this morning, however, how in 2017 a young woman was murdered by a stalker ex. She kept going to the police and they fined her for being a nuiscence."

Both Officers walked away with their pensions intact, even after one of them was sacked for having an affair with a vulnerable woman, getting her contact details from the system. That's got to change.

I don't believe that in 2000 and 2015 Perter HJ had diminished responsibility enough that he didn't know that he was lying on his gin license application. The judge and the Police have linked this to violence against women and not a MH situation. They will have details that we don't. His MH might have deteriorated since the killing which is why he has the sentence that he does.

'Gun licence, not gin licence.'

@x2boys I agree

I've had psychosis and I understand exactly how this can happen. I had messages telling me I had to kill one of my kids. Thank fuck I didn't because DH got me help in time, but it was definitely on the cards. I was waiting for a message to tell me which DS I had to kill.

There really seems to be a general lack of understanding surrounding psychosis. Listen to the people who work in that field and to people who have experienced it. It is truly impossible to fully grasp the reality of it unless you've seen it up close.

I am not going to comment on this case because none of us know all the details, but my personal experience gives me full understanding of how this can (and sadly does) happen .

Dreadful all round 😪

Imagine the peace and quiet without all those needy men to deal with anymore.

The fact that not one person has even commented on the above proves the point others are making.

Can you imagine the reaction if a man had joked about the Sarah Everard case: "one less whiny woman" etc. There would be outrage.

@iloveeverykindofcat

To have it as defence/ mitigation it needs to be full on psychosis as in no idea what doing. Hallucinating. Really far gone.

Yes I think a lot of people don't realize this. The terms are quite specific - its not enough to simply 'have a mental illness'. You have to not understand your actions at the time you carry them out. The reason Jeffery Dahmer - who was very mentally ill - recieved no mitigation for it is his actions showed both premediation and attempts to hide the evidence. He knew what he was doing at the time he was doing it. The only sucessful uses of the insanity defense I know of are in cases of untreated schizophrenia.

The reason Jeffery Dahmer was not found to have any mitigating factors due to mental illness is because he was in the US justice system and the US justice system is very punitive and it's very difficult to get any kind of mental illness taken into account. And you know, a court in an entirely different country with a different legal system...

If you think the only people in the UK who are found not guilty of murder due to diminished responsibility are people with schizophrenia then you are completely wrong.

@KayKayWat

I just can't rub my hands together in glee and relish the suffering of a mentally ill individual who's committed a horrific crime which he'll never come back from even if he fully recovers.

You have no idea if he will or he won't, you're just making assumptions like you are accusing other people of.

And for someone who finds stereotyping unpleasant, you have some incredibly stereotyped views of people with mental illnesses.