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To feel scared/intimidated by autistic staff member

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orangemum92 · 22/10/2021 00:20

I work part time in an office of a large organisation and I also manage some staff, though most of them are remote. One of my direct reports in the office has quite severe Aspergers and was recently moved to my team from his previous team due to harassing a young female colleague (who happens to be of a similar age and appearance as me). He is fairly older.

I am not sure whether management told him the reason he was being moved. I also do not believe the woman's complaint was formalised; it was dealt with "off the books" basically as there is nothing on his file. The limited info I have is that he would follow her from work to her car every night, asked her out several times despite her saying no, and eventually attempted to coerce her by telling her to meet him at [place] on [date] at [time] as he had arranged a team night out. When she mentioned it to other colleagues, she learned there was no such thing planned and he had lied. Prior to this he was also separated from another female colleague of similar age and appearance though I have none of the details and again it was dealt with off the books.

He hasn't done anything that bold with me, but these are some of the things he does:

  • waits until there is no one around my desk, then approaches & asks personal questions. When I try to end the conversation by turning to my computer and typing, he tends to just stand at the side and stare at me for a minute or so before walking away.
  • he sits diagonally in front of me in the row of desks in front, facing away from me. at a rate of, I would say, 2-3 times per 10 minutes he turns his head around just to look directly at me - I don't think he's aware that I can see him doing this as I'm behind a screen but I see him peripherally. If I make eye contact he quickly turns back as if he's been caught doing something wrong.
  • often at the end of the work day when it's just me and him left, he will turn around completely in his chair and just sits and stares at me while I work. I think in his head, he's trying to think of a conversation starter but can't think of one so just resorts to sitting and staring
  • other colleagues have said that as soon as I leave my desk he looks around for me incessantly, sometimes standing up and walking around to see where I've gone.
  • has approached me several times while I've been walking around the city after work, always acting shocked to have bumped into me, saying "oh, hi [name]!" not sure if he follows me, but he has also showed up in the same shop I've gone into and seemed to be following me around the aisles.

To note, there is a colleague I work directly with who sits next to me (I'll refer to them as T). When T is present, he tends not to do these things (though T has seen it a couple of times from afar). Essentially he waits for T to leave the room and then approaches almost immediately.

This may make me sound like a terrible person but his entire behaviour around me just makes me entirely uncomfortable. There is the staring, but also his general demeanour when speaking to me - shaking vigorously, stuttering etc which he does not do around others. To make matters worse, I was abused as a child by someone with the exact same first name, disorder and mannerisms as him so it brings back awful memories. He is also extremely tall and built and I am tiny which again just adds to the intimidation.

I explained all of this to my manager (minus the childhood background) and she said she had also noticed his behaviour around me, but that he can't help it, she feels sorry for him and that I am not allowed to tell him that he makes me feel uncomfortable. I don't buy the fact that he doesn't know what he's doing/can't help it because if that was the case, he wouldn't be waiting until no one else is present to do it. He is also very intelligent and can be very manipulative when he wants to be. Also when given any kind of negative feedback he snaps and become extremely angry so even if I did address it I would be worried about the consequences. I'm also not allowed to take anyone in the room with me when I have meetings with him as it is deemed as bullying.

Anyway, in an attempt at resolving it indirectly, a few weeks ago I tried to rearrange the seating plan for our department, and I used the excuse of new people returning to the office. Everyone else moved as planned but he refused (quite aggressively) to move and got the union involved. The union then told me I'm not allowed to move him due to his Aspergers as it causes him distress.

The reason I'm asking this question now is because T (who is a great deterrent for his behaviour) is on annual leave for 2 weeks from Monday. I am extremely anxious about this as I know the colleague will be staring and harassing me constantly. In the past when T has been off, I struggle to focus on my work as I spend most of the shift on edge and aware of him constantly staring at me.

I'm contemplating having a meeting tomorrow and kindly asking him to move again but I don't know if that will be futile as he will most likely involve the union again. I want to know if there's anything else I can actually do other than request to be moved teams which I really would prefer not to do. I have an anxiety disorder and have worked on the team for ages, I am comfortable and happy there and moving would mean being away from T who has been the most amazing support for me for years and helps me with my anxiety brilliantly.

Also for the record in case anyone thinks I could be biased - I have managed several staff over the years who have had Aspergers, autism and various other disorders and they've all been brilliant. I've had one or two who have overstepped boundaries either with myself or other staff but were completely receptive to the feedback and stopped the behaviour. This situation is different as I'm being told I'm not allowed to address it with him.

AIBU here? Am I just being an insensitive paranoid b or should I/my manager/ work be doing more to curtail his behaviour?

OP posts:
HoppingPavlova · 26/10/2021 08:15

*not sympathetic

Daleksatemyshed · 30/10/2021 11:28

I hope you've been able to get some help with this situation Op. If senior management aren't helping it's absolutely time to place an offical complaint. Good luck

bigbeautwoman · 31/10/2021 16:28

We are all keen for an update OP, hoping that progress is being made

Mummylovesmonkeys · 03/11/2021 22:13

@timeisnotaline

Email - writing. Dear manager, we have discussed X several times. I am aware of his history of intimidating behaviour with employees of similar appearance to me and have told you that not only does this behaviour occur in the office but he often turns up where I am when I am in town. I suffer from anxiety which is usually quite manageable but I find it has been escalating while I have to manage X. Given your instructions that I may not bring anyone else to meetings with X nor may I let him know I am uncomfortable with some of his behaviours, you will need to find a new manager for X. I appreciate this can’t be done tomorrow, but it is an urgent request. Additionally, his behaviour is less intimidating when my colleague T who shares the office space with us is around. t is taking 2 weeks leave starting x; my GP will sign me off for anxiety for those two weeks as I am unable to share an office alone with X for that period. Please note that I have numerous times managed employees with Aspergers and other conditions and have never encountered this before, but am unable to continue putting my mental health at risk to meet your management requirements and keep X comfortable.

I look forward to your response.
Regards

And you can either cc hr or wait for her response and cc hr on your response to that. I think your gp will happily sign you off. Don’t put yourself through those 2 weeks!

This is perfect IMO
Cr0ssingPathways5 · 03/11/2021 23:58

Can you take a bushy plant into work, so that he cannot see you ?

If he appears out of work, I would get out my mobile phone & start recording & tell him to stop following you. Report to local police

Can you start earlier & leave earlier ?

I agree keep a record

I suspect that he "enjoys" harassing women & it is like a "sport" to him. I've seen it occur unfortunately

Stay safe & be careful

Mammyloveswine · 04/11/2021 00:18

@user1473878824

This isn’t a dig at you mentioning it, OP, but I don’t think being autistic has anything to do with it - his behaviour is absolutely not okay and I don’t think management using his autism as a way to tell you not to say anything to him is right at all.
This!!
TheOriginalEmu · 04/11/2021 03:19

OP: I can see why this is scaring you. You’ve had some great advice on how to manage it. I wish you well.

For all the ‘it’s not his autism’ comments: it is his autism. His autism is him, he is his autism and many of his behaviours are due to social communication problems.
Being unable to think of what to say so just staring- that’s autism
Being unable to speak/shaking because he’s worked up trying to talk to you- that’s autism
Engineering situations to talk to you by pretending to bump into you and having no idea that that is creepy- that’s autism
Freaking out when asked to move seats- that’s autism
Getting angry and aggressive when asked to do things he doesn’t want to/ hears things he doesn’t like- thats autism.

People are very supportive of autistic people, and politically correct, until those autistic people are challenging and difficult to deal with. Then it’s not their autism, they’re just a dick. Because by labelling it as being ‘just a dick’ it allows you to be ableist without making you feel bad for being ableist.

TheOriginalEmu · 04/11/2021 03:21

@Aquamarine1029

Asperger's my arse. His behaviour is calculating and totally unacceptable. You need to do whatever it takes to make management protect you from this man.
Ableist
hulahoopqueen · 04/11/2021 04:37

@TheOriginalEmu except it isn't ableist, is it? It's not the Aspergers acting, if the individual in question is able to repress it in different situations - ie, when OP is vulnerable. They are wilfully choosing to act at a time that OP is unaccompanied and more vulnerable. That is a behavioural choice, not the result of the person's protected characteristic.

Kanaloa · 04/11/2021 04:37

@TheOriginalEmu

OP: I can see why this is scaring you. You’ve had some great advice on how to manage it. I wish you well.

For all the ‘it’s not his autism’ comments: it is his autism. His autism is him, he is his autism and many of his behaviours are due to social communication problems.
Being unable to think of what to say so just staring- that’s autism
Being unable to speak/shaking because he’s worked up trying to talk to you- that’s autism
Engineering situations to talk to you by pretending to bump into you and having no idea that that is creepy- that’s autism
Freaking out when asked to move seats- that’s autism
Getting angry and aggressive when asked to do things he doesn’t want to/ hears things he doesn’t like- thats autism.

People are very supportive of autistic people, and politically correct, until those autistic people are challenging and difficult to deal with. Then it’s not their autism, they’re just a dick. Because by labelling it as being ‘just a dick’ it allows you to be ableist without making you feel bad for being ableist.

I wish people would stop saying he ‘doesn’t know it’s creepy.‘ He obviously has at least some awareness that it is creepy/scary/unwelcome otherwise why would he pretend it was a group night out to try and trick a girl into meeting him alone? If he didn’t know she would be uncomfortable with him surely he would just say ‘let’s meet up just the two of us.’
Kanaloa · 04/11/2021 04:39

And there’s a huge space between supporting those with autism and allowing them to harass and frighten women. The senior staff should certainly support him in the workplace but not at the expense of other people’s safety and comfort. Just because he can’t help it doesn’t mean it’s acceptable.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 04/11/2021 04:39

The employers have a duty to protect their employees from harassment which this clearly is.

Igmum · 04/11/2021 04:48

Everyone has already said this OP but please document this formally and get both HR and your union involved. Your employer owes you a duty of care, the same duty of care it owes to the other women this man has harassed. Report, report, report. If they wish to employ him then at a minimum they need to make sure he has a male manager and stops harassing his female co-workers. Does your manager know his back story? If so her comments are utterly unacceptable

hallygore · 04/11/2021 06:06

Mum of autistic kids, worked with autistic people not that I think that's all that relevant because autism is such a spectrum and people can be very different. We often say that if you've met 1 autistic person you've met 1 autistic person and if you met my 3 kids you'd understand that instantly.

My issue here is that your employers are just moving him about and not addressing things and that in itself has got to be very distressing for him. Have they brought anyone in to support him? Have they offered him training to help him understand appropriate behaviours and to offer advice on how best to manage him? If not then they are being negligent to him and you and that is opening themselves up to allsorts.

Would you deny a wheelchair user the chance to do their job because the environment was inaccessible? No you wouldn't. I dont really see much going on here to help him be able to actually do his job.

He needs specialist mentoring, supervision from a support worker not just in terms of his interactions but to help him keep on task so he can do his job effectively etc. I'd also be arguing that by putting him in a team with a female manager they are letting him down because it's not enabling him to work effectively if he cant be managed in the same way as other staff.

I think that your employers dont have a clue what they are doing and need to get specialist advice and get proper workplace assessments carried out.

Too many autistic people are dumped into a neuro typical world and expected to just function like everyone else and the expectation is that the world should change for them and it just doesn't work like that. The need for support doesn't just end because theyve left school and gone to work.

That said you've got the right to feel safe. I would at the very least sit someone with him who can keep an eye on him and encourage him to focus on his work and mentor him. Then I would be going to your manager and asking for a referral to the access to work scheme. Your employer might have to pay for it but itll probably cost less than a law suit!

Yusanaim · 04/11/2021 06:20

I think I would speak to the police to see how much 'bumping into you' when you're out is needed before it is harrassment or stalking.

me4real · 04/11/2021 19:33

How're you doing @orangemum92 ? x

Mumzoo5070 · 22/12/2021 18:46

@orangemum92 how are things?

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