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Prof Stock & disgraceful, disrespectful, disingenuous and disillusioned students!!

171 replies

CityMumma78 · 17/10/2021 08:19

I’m so angry that a handful of students and fanatical activists are deliberately silencing an academic over her very justified views on biology. Professor Stock, by her title alone, is an incredibly well read academic who has studied and researched her topic but because this doesn’t align with a small majority she could lose her job and has been advised to seek protection and put up CCTV. WTF Angry

What she has written-
Womanhood and manhood reflect biological sex, not gender or gender identity;
The claim 'transwomen are women' is a fiction, not literally true
Sexual orientation (being gay, being lesbian) is determined by same-sex attraction, not attraction to gender identity
Spaces where women undress and sleep should remain genuinely single-sex, in order to protect them;
Children with gender identity disorders should not be given puberty blockers as minors.

I personally agree with all these points! You CANNOT change chromosomes, you CANNOT change your sex organs and reproductive systems, it doesn’t matter what you identify as.
Why is she being silenced and threatened and why isn’t more being done by the university’s, police and government???

I spent my whole childhood watching my mum being beaten up and tortured by my dad and I passionately believe in safe spaces for women… toilets, changing facilities, refuges etc. Recently on MN for example a lady commented on finding a man using the Ladies toilets with the door open when the Gents toilets were operational, this behaviour is indefensible, he knew what he was doing and got a kick out of it! What is happening in this country that a woman can’t feel safe to use a public toilet!

I feel scared for women and I am hugely concerned about people being silenced in favour of this indoctrination!

Do others feel as strongly as I do??

YABU - the students are right
YANBU - Professor Stock is right

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Scoutingformygirls · 17/10/2021 08:24

I looked at those pictures from the protest, and I looked at the posts on Twitter of people egging them on and agreeing with them, and all I can wonder is, "where are the grown ups?"

Why don't the university and the police deal with their behaviour? Threatening, unpleasant and unfair? Why can't her "critics" ever be clear on what the actual problem is, and give actual examples rather than parroting the same weird vague accusations over and over with no actual evidence? It's so bizarre that no one has stepped in and just said, "stop!".

It seems unlikely that the protesters were actually students at the uni with the misspelled and poor quality signs? Couldn't they have just moved them on?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 17/10/2021 08:38

They chose the University's Open Day for their masked protest. On another thread a mother reported seeing them while looking around with her potential applicant teenager. Extraordinary that security didn't move the masked mob on, but I suppose the university admin is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I was very struck by the sign put up on campus a couple of weeks ago which said something like 'We aren't paying £9250 to be taught by a transphobe'. Treating students like consumers has been a huge mistake. Students are admitted to a university so that they can study and learn. They shouldn't be able to dictate what they are taught on the grounds that they want to avoid any topic where they might be presented with views they disagree with.

mustlovegin · 17/10/2021 08:44

They shouldn't be able to dictate what they are taught on the grounds that they want to avoid any topic where they might be presented with views they disagree with

^This

LadyFuHao · 17/10/2021 08:54

It's absolutely chilling that Stock has been hounded, and even worse that it was for stating material reality.

Why can't we say the truth anymore?

It's as if we woke up one day and found our youths and institutions had become rabid flat Earthers who will hound anyone for saying the Earth is not flat.

Skatastic · 17/10/2021 08:59

It is disgusting and rooted in misogyny. I follow Prof Stock on twitter and she is amazing.

I am truly scared for what the future holds for women.

ChattyLion · 17/10/2021 09:00

Absolutely she’s NBU. YANBU.

Doyoumind · 17/10/2021 09:01

They spread absolute lies about her anyway. Everything is based on hearsay with no attempt to find out for themselves what her actual views are. They are naive and privileged if this is the thing, out of all potential issues to get behind, they want to focus this attention on.

mustlovegin · 17/10/2021 09:02

It's as if we woke up one day and found our youths and institutions had become rabid flat Earthers who will hound anyone for saying the Earth is not flat

Yes, it's Galileo all over again

mustlovegin · 17/10/2021 09:04

I am truly scared for what the future holds for women

And it's not only women who may be at risk. Who knows what lunacy 'they' will come up with next? This has been going on for too long now

Booboosweet · 17/10/2021 09:05

I love her book. She's wonderful.

EishetChayil · 17/10/2021 09:06

Despite the danger Stock is in from these lunatics, I'm glad things like this are finally coming out into the public, so people can see exactly what us gender critical feminists have been worrying and campaigning about for all these years.

KimWexlersPonyTail · 17/10/2021 09:06

You can show support by sending a card to the philosophy department at Sussex University and by buying her book, Material Girls. Suspect this thread will be zapped or moved to the naughty corner in Feminism.

DrSbaitso · 17/10/2021 09:07

Why did they delete the last thread in her support?

Clymene · 17/10/2021 09:08

They are liars

'Ms Jones told Politics Live on Wednesday: 'Professor Stock at Sussex, who has signed Women's declaration of sex-based rights which wants to eliminate trans people in law'

'Ms Jones' is the university students union trans rep. The women's declaration on sex based rights says nothing of the sort.

The bbc had to apologise

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10095721/BBC-apologises-student-union-rep-says-professor-supports-elimination-trans-people-law.html

Theeyeballsinthesky · 17/10/2021 09:10

They have said “trans students feel intellectually threatened” by professor stock which is quite a self own really!!!

Sussex university have only themselves to blame for this. They stood by and watched as the temperature was systematically turned up on her. They allowed numerous slurs and aggressive student behaviour towards her go unchallenged. By the time they decided to grow a back bone, it was much too late

There is definitely also a wider debate around students as consumers & what that means. As far as they are concerned they are buying a degree & for some of them that clearly means having their own thoughts pandered too & validated rather they challenged

UseTheRakeDear · 17/10/2021 09:12

I always find it disturbing that it goes from we disagree with you to you must be killed, you do not deserve to live if you hold a differing view to me.

I remember university being a place where we learned about other's viewpoints, ie I was studying in Wales but I am from England and a girl from Northern Ireland would say she hated all the English but we learned of her first hand experience of the segregation of Catholics and Protestants. At no stage did any English students receive death threats from her because they were English or held a different view point - we had some students whose Dads were in the army some of whom had been in Northern Ireland. The debate was "lively" but interesting. No death threats though.

Prof Robert Winston was on Newsnight and Prof Stock was discussed but they couldn't even repeat what it was she said just that her views aligned with Prof Robert.

GCAcademic · 17/10/2021 09:13

For those of you concerned about this:

If any of you are taking DC on open days, please make a point of asking how the department and university supports open debate, and if there have been instances of academics being harassed or no platformed, ask how this was allowed to happen.

If you are an alumna of a university, please write to the vice-chancellor to voice concern about what is happening in universities. Many of them are pretending they cannot see this problem that is right under their noses.

ufucoffee · 17/10/2021 09:14

The university should stop being worried about being dammed if they do and just do the right thing and tell the batshit students to shut up, stop threatening people or they'll be out.

borntobequiet · 17/10/2021 09:19

I only disagree with the disillusioned bit. They’re fully in thrall to their illusion (or delusion).

justbackfrombangkok · 17/10/2021 09:19

Universities are businesses now, not higher education institutions. These particular group of "students" don't appear to have critical thinking skills or much intellectual ability. I suppose in a way they are correct that their fees are being wasted.

I doubt any of them will be in a position to repay their loans, given that they will have to qualify for a proper job to be able to do that, so it is really the tax payers' money that is being squandered.

I do object to my taxes being used in this way.

It must be soul destroying to have to try and educate and engage with these people.

I understand that Sussex did extremely badly in a recent University Challenge episode.

CreepingDeath · 17/10/2021 09:21

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

They chose the University's Open Day for their masked protest. On another thread a mother reported seeing them while looking around with her potential applicant teenager. Extraordinary that security didn't move the masked mob on, but I suppose the university admin is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I was very struck by the sign put up on campus a couple of weeks ago which said something like 'We aren't paying £9250 to be taught by a transphobe'. Treating students like consumers has been a huge mistake. Students are admitted to a university so that they can study and learn. They shouldn't be able to dictate what they are taught on the grounds that they want to avoid any topic where they might be presented with views they disagree with.

There’s a good book that discusses this called ‘The Coddling of the American Mind’ that was released a few years ago. It talks about how a lot of this originated in US university campuses, when students started claiming they felt ‘unsafe’ at certain texts or books on the curriculum. Not only did they not want to read them, they demanded that these be removed entirely so that nobody gets to read them Confused. It would seem they are not there to learn, but to dictate and have their ideas reinforced.

The administrators of these Universities started pandering to this, I guess because students are treated more like customers now, or they didn’t want the backlash.

Somewhere along the line, the ‘grown ups’ just stopped saying no. And this is the result.

Unfortunately I think it’s gonna get worse before it gets better. Institutions don’t seem to have the motivation or will to resist this.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 17/10/2021 09:23

Where are the 6% who voted YABU?

I'd like to read their justification for that...

GoldChick · 17/10/2021 09:24

Could they not just write an essay arguing against her views?

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CityMumma78 · 17/10/2021 09:25

I’m loving all these positive responses and the female solidarity here Star
What can we do to show our support to Prof Stock?

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mustlovegin · 17/10/2021 09:25

Thank you GCAcademic

I do object to my taxes being used in this way

^This

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