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AIBU to not help my friend?

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OpalSky · 09/10/2021 09:17

This happened last July, but I haven’t had time to think properly about it until recently when I asked friends for advice. It would help me to understand from seeing other peoples opinions on here.

Some background: I have a friend and we have been friends for over 20 years and we live near each other. We both have kids. She works full time, I am a SAHM. I help people when I can, but I don’t like to ask for favours if I can do something myself and only ask as a last resort should I need help. She is the opposite and likes to ask for help when needs it and I don’t mind helping when I can.

It was the night of the Euro final. Her 10 year old son had a fever before the match. She let him stay up and they all watched the football and it didn’t finish until gone 11pm. She then discovered her Calpol had expired. I was in bed about to go sleep when she text and asked if I had Calpol. At this point it was near midnight. I said ‘you weren’t thinking of coming round were you, as I am about to go sleep.’ She said well he has got a temperature. I said ‘it’s probably best he goes sleep, but I can leave Calpol on the doorstep if you want to come and collect’. She said no thanks. And that’s what has annoyed her.

She wrote me an email saying she was hurt and disappointed in me. She was angry that I said her son will be fine if he just goes to sleep, and she was angry I said I was about to go sleep and you were not thinking of coming round were you. She said a friend is someone you can count on and is always there for you and that it’s a two way relationship. I apologised as I didn’t mean it in an insensitive way and in no way was I meaning to be unsympathetic.

So we met up, she said she knew I hadn’t intended to hurt her with the words I used, but that I crossed the line in not being there in her hour of need. Her son was fine the next day without any Calpol that night. She said ‘does it matter that it wasn’t an emergency, you weren’t there for me in my hour of need.’ She said she would do ‘anything for my kids’. Now she has not done anything in particular to help with my kids in the past as I never like to ask for help unless I really need it.

Then she bought up the time I didn’t agree to be emergency contact for the school for her kids. She asked me this years ago, but has obviously held resentment in me as she kept mentioning it. She said ‘what harm would it have done to have picked up my son in that rare chance’. She was quite upset about this. She said ‘friend A’ agreed to be emergency contact. She said ‘so far she has been a good friend.’

She then went on to say to me: ‘I don’t know anything about you. I still don’t know what you do all day while the kids are at school’. I was quite shocked she could say something like that as I have never judged her in that way for working full time. I felt like she was judging me for being a SAHM.

When I got home that day I started writing an email back to her explaining how I felt. But before I could finish the email she wrote to say I don’t think we can be close friends anymore as she said we have different ideas of what a friendship is.

In the end I did send a long email back saying yes we are different and she has certain needs and expectations from a friendship, and when she doesn’t get those needs met she gets disappointed. I told her that I felt I should have the right to say no to being emergency contact for her kids, but that she didn’t respect my right to say no.

I felt like she doesn’t consider me at all, it’s all about her needs and no consideration for my needs or feelings at all.

No response back from her.

I feel used and because she hasn’t even bothered to respond, I feel like she has never considered this a two way relationship. It’s never been about my feelings and having two way communication. It’s all about her or nothing.

YANBU-I should put closure to this friendship, she has been using me

YABU-I have been a bad friend and I need to learn to help friends in need

OP posts:
JesusIsAnyNameFree · 10/10/2021 20:55

@FabianK

That’s fair though isn’t it? Better to be safe.

I think you have very different views on friendship.

She doesn’t seem like a user to me at all.

Fair enough to cancel indeed, not fair enough for the grabby little cow to think OP should drag whatever virus her kids have to her own house.
BorderlineHappy · 11/10/2021 08:47

@HannaHanna I'd help anyone.
But the way the op describes her df is well,she sounds like a user.

We've all been stuck and needed help.
But the onus is on the person needing help to accept what the other person can do.

Not throw things back in her face and end the friend ship.
It's like the df has no use for the op unless they do exactly what they are told.

OpalSky · 11/10/2021 12:15

Thank you for all your comments, I have read all of them. Thank you for the ones that have replied and understood how I felt. Flowers

Also thank you to the ones that commented and disagree with me too. The comments were interesting to read. But I have to disagree with some comments especially from @HannaHanna

As I said before I have helped on many many occasions for her in the past. The one and only time I said ‘no’ about having a boundary to not being an emergency contact-she resented it. Everyone has boundaries. And everyone’s boundaries are different. Everyone is different, just because you are willing to be an emergency contact for a friend, doesn’t mean I would have to do the same. My now ex-friend’s boundary was to not have a play date just after my child recovered from chicken pox. Even though i was disappointed in that decision, I still respected that decision and said ok, that’s fine. In my opinion. friends should respect friends ‘right to say no.’ She did not respect my right to say no to being emergency contact.

And as for the Calpol drama-I did offer her Calpol. I may have been rude with the words I used but it was late at night and I did apologise. And she said herself she knew I didn’t use those words to harm her intentionally.

She is used to me saying yes and was surprised I said ‘no’ to being emergency contact. She was surprised I didn’t instantly have enthusiasm for giving her Calpol. She has been using me all along and ‘threw her toys out the pram’ when she didn’t get what she wanted, as one poster said on here. One of life’s takers, and definitely self-absorbed. If she wasn’t so self absorbed she would have responded to my email. Selfish people do not belong in my life.

Anyway I won’t be replying anymore here, but thank you because I can now put closure to this.

OP posts:
ChickPeaSalad · 11/10/2021 12:22

I think your response was rude. If any friend of mine had asked about Calpol late at night and I saw the message I'd have replied with 'oh gosh, hope they're okay, yeah I'll leave it on the doorstep as I'm about to go to sleep if you let me know you're coming for it'. As I and other local friends have done for one another several times. She was probably aggrieved at your prickly response.

However, it seems she sees friendship as a very transactional thing and in a different way to you, as well as being a cheeky fucker (with the emergency contact thing), so I think it's for the best it ebbs away as she's decided to suggest. Friendships shouldn't be this hard and dramatic. She's either being a drama llama wanting you to fight for her friendship in which case she's an immature child and you're better off without her, or she's genuinely decided the friendship isn't working, in which case you should respect that.

Welshiefluff · 11/10/2021 12:25

Not worth replying. If she is going to overreact like that then bin her off.

pinkgin85 · 11/10/2021 12:35

The calpol thing aside, I can't imagine saying no to being a good friends emergency contact. Me & DH have no family around at all, and DCs nursery wanted a third party emergency contact. So grateful one of my dear friends was happy to be put down.

You're both really different people with different expectations so being friends doesn't make sense.

HireStarter · 11/10/2021 12:41

YABU to not allow a friend to collect Calpol for their sick child. And you could have worded it differently "I'm sorry I'm just about to go to sleep but will leave the Calpol on the front step. I hope he's feeling much better soon!".

And she's right, why wouldn't you be an emergency contact for a close friend?

Sounds like you want all the benefits of close friendship without any responsibility/work. You being a SAHM is irrelevant to all this.

You don't sound compatible as friends so maybe it's all worked out for the best for both of you.

HireStarter · 11/10/2021 12:44

@OpalSky

Thank you for all your comments, I have read all of them. Thank you for the ones that have replied and understood how I felt. Flowers

Also thank you to the ones that commented and disagree with me too. The comments were interesting to read. But I have to disagree with some comments especially from @HannaHanna

As I said before I have helped on many many occasions for her in the past. The one and only time I said ‘no’ about having a boundary to not being an emergency contact-she resented it. Everyone has boundaries. And everyone’s boundaries are different. Everyone is different, just because you are willing to be an emergency contact for a friend, doesn’t mean I would have to do the same. My now ex-friend’s boundary was to not have a play date just after my child recovered from chicken pox. Even though i was disappointed in that decision, I still respected that decision and said ok, that’s fine. In my opinion. friends should respect friends ‘right to say no.’ She did not respect my right to say no to being emergency contact.

And as for the Calpol drama-I did offer her Calpol. I may have been rude with the words I used but it was late at night and I did apologise. And she said herself she knew I didn’t use those words to harm her intentionally.

She is used to me saying yes and was surprised I said ‘no’ to being emergency contact. She was surprised I didn’t instantly have enthusiasm for giving her Calpol. She has been using me all along and ‘threw her toys out the pram’ when she didn’t get what she wanted, as one poster said on here. One of life’s takers, and definitely self-absorbed. If she wasn’t so self absorbed she would have responded to my email. Selfish people do not belong in my life.

Anyway I won’t be replying anymore here, but thank you because I can now put closure to this.

Wow, you really have taken this badly. Your message sounds like you hate her. You hate her values. So I'm surprised you were ever friends to be honest.
Severntrent · 11/10/2021 13:03

Fair enough to cancel indeed, not fair enough for the grabby little cow to think OP should drag whatever virus her kids have to her own house
Wow! I agree with people who've said you have different ideas about friendship which I see others, like poster above, share.
Friends help each other out and care about each other, even if you don't ask for help yourself. I'm glad I had kind friends who agreed to be emergency contacts when we had no one else. I did the same for them. I guess you never liked or cared about her in the first place so no great loss?

DoItAfraid · 11/10/2021 15:05

@Severntrent

Fair enough to cancel indeed, not fair enough for the grabby little cow to think OP should drag whatever virus her kids have to her own house Wow! I agree with people who've said you have different ideas about friendship which I see others, like poster above, share. Friends help each other out and care about each other, even if you don't ask for help yourself. I'm glad I had kind friends who agreed to be emergency contacts when we had no one else. I did the same for them. I guess you never liked or cared about her in the first place so no great loss?
What on earth?

I cant be emergency contact for my friends children - they go to different schools in Surrey and i work in London with w 1.5 hour commute each way!

I absolutely would refuse to be another person’s emergency contact because I would have ZERO capacity to help in an emergency. That does not make me a bad friend.

DoItAfraid · 11/10/2021 15:07

@HireStarter

YABU to not allow a friend to collect Calpol for their sick child. And you could have worded it differently "I'm sorry I'm just about to go to sleep but will leave the Calpol on the front step. I hope he's feeling much better soon!".

And she's right, why wouldn't you be an emergency contact for a close friend?

Sounds like you want all the benefits of close friendship without any responsibility/work. You being a SAHM is irrelevant to all this.

You don't sound compatible as friends so maybe it's all worked out for the best for both of you.

What on earth?

I cant be emergency contact for my friends children - they go to different schools in Surrey and i work in London with w 1.5 hour commute each way!

I absolutely would refuse to be another person’s emergency contact because I would have ZERO capacity to help in an emergency. That does not make me a bad friend.

JesusIsAnyNameFree · 11/10/2021 16:57

@Severntrent

Fair enough to cancel indeed, not fair enough for the grabby little cow to think OP should drag whatever virus her kids have to her own house Wow! I agree with people who've said you have different ideas about friendship which I see others, like poster above, share. Friends help each other out and care about each other, even if you don't ask for help yourself. I'm glad I had kind friends who agreed to be emergency contacts when we had no one else. I did the same for them. I guess you never liked or cared about her in the first place so no great loss?
I have a job, my husband has a job, both in senior roles where we can't be off sick without shit hitting the fan. It's bad enough if our own drags something home. We don't need anyone else's viruses too.
Severntrent · 11/10/2021 19:05

I absolutely would refuse to be another person’s emergency contact because I would have ZERO capacity to help in an emergency. That does not make me a bad friend.
Well clearly no one would ask you because you're not in a position to help, but the op didn't say she wasn't in a position not to help, she just didn't want to. Which is her prerogative but she sounded like she thought the friend was unreasonable to ask, but I think friends should be comfortable asking for help and the first response should be a kind one, like you actually like that person not that their requests are a massive imposition.

Severntrent · 11/10/2021 19:07

I have a job, my husband has a job, both in senior roles where we can't be off sick without shit hitting the fan. It's bad enough if our own drags something home. We don't need anyone else's viruses too.
That sounds awful! Must be quite stressful in cold/flu season. Clearly you aren't in a position to help people, but most people aren't as important and indispensable as you.

aloris · 11/10/2021 20:32

Well I think being someone's emergency contact would depend on whether they would abuse it or not. I have been emergency contact for various parents who were respectful about what they would ask. That would include things like picking up kids early for a weather emergency or a gas leak at the school or something, in which case I'm happy to take home as many kids as will fit in my car. I've also had parents use it to get me to pick up their kid when they were stuck in a horrible traffic jam in the city and couldn't get to the school in time for pickup. That is all fine.

But some people abuse the privilege and I would put into that category asking me to take home someone else's sick child. If your child is sick, you need to come home from work and take care of them yourself, not ask me to make my own family sick for your benefit. That is a terrible thing to do to a "friend."

Twobirdsinatree · 12/10/2021 00:48

Massive overreaction on her part. She sounds like very hard work. She's probably done you a favour by saying she doesnt want to continue the friendship! Dont argue with her let her go drain someone else instead.

Obviously its great if your friends can help you out and vice versa... but personally I do not want to be in any situation where there are expectations of that always happening. Its not reasonable. Demanding or expecting favours off anyone is grim. If a friend helps you thats a kind bonus of the friendship not something they HAVE to do or else u are going to be angry with them.
You dont owe her getting out of bed to bring her calpol.. you dont owe her pretending to be cheerful when she's disturbed you by ringing you in the middle of the night. I mean its nice if you can do these things but to make it an expectation is absolutely ridiculous and manipulative.

TheChiefJo · 12/10/2021 01:11

@Quire

I think your response was fairly rude. Why not just say ‘I’m about to go to sleep but will leave the Calpol on the doorstep for you if you want it?’ rather than ‘You weren’t thinking of coming round, were you?’
Agree. Seems a bit rude. It would hardly be much work to just put it on the step.
HannaHanna · 12/10/2021 03:21

But not a friendship-ending issue, right?

billy1966 · 12/10/2021 09:42

Regarding the emergency number for her children, I certainly wouldn't want a school calling me about anyone else's children, particularly not someone like OP's ex friend who finds it so easy to impose on people.

I certainly wouldn't want to be collecting other people's sick children either.

If a friend was contacted by the school and was stuck and THEN called me, it is one thing, but I certainly wouldn't entertain being an emergency number for someone like the OP's user friend.

Not a hope.

LuaDipa · 12/10/2021 13:33

@user1471538283

She has a husband at home, he could have gone to the store. Surely her husband or parent would be an emergency contact. She needs to grow up.

You've got enough on with your own family. I wouldnt waste another second with her.

Agreed. I was a sahm and found that some (few but more than one) mothers were more than happy to ask me to help but wouldn’t dream of asking their husband, the actual father of their dc.

I’m happy to help anyone in any circumstance but I’m not happy to be on call more than one of the parents.

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