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AIBU to not help my friend?

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OpalSky · 09/10/2021 09:17

This happened last July, but I haven’t had time to think properly about it until recently when I asked friends for advice. It would help me to understand from seeing other peoples opinions on here.

Some background: I have a friend and we have been friends for over 20 years and we live near each other. We both have kids. She works full time, I am a SAHM. I help people when I can, but I don’t like to ask for favours if I can do something myself and only ask as a last resort should I need help. She is the opposite and likes to ask for help when needs it and I don’t mind helping when I can.

It was the night of the Euro final. Her 10 year old son had a fever before the match. She let him stay up and they all watched the football and it didn’t finish until gone 11pm. She then discovered her Calpol had expired. I was in bed about to go sleep when she text and asked if I had Calpol. At this point it was near midnight. I said ‘you weren’t thinking of coming round were you, as I am about to go sleep.’ She said well he has got a temperature. I said ‘it’s probably best he goes sleep, but I can leave Calpol on the doorstep if you want to come and collect’. She said no thanks. And that’s what has annoyed her.

She wrote me an email saying she was hurt and disappointed in me. She was angry that I said her son will be fine if he just goes to sleep, and she was angry I said I was about to go sleep and you were not thinking of coming round were you. She said a friend is someone you can count on and is always there for you and that it’s a two way relationship. I apologised as I didn’t mean it in an insensitive way and in no way was I meaning to be unsympathetic.

So we met up, she said she knew I hadn’t intended to hurt her with the words I used, but that I crossed the line in not being there in her hour of need. Her son was fine the next day without any Calpol that night. She said ‘does it matter that it wasn’t an emergency, you weren’t there for me in my hour of need.’ She said she would do ‘anything for my kids’. Now she has not done anything in particular to help with my kids in the past as I never like to ask for help unless I really need it.

Then she bought up the time I didn’t agree to be emergency contact for the school for her kids. She asked me this years ago, but has obviously held resentment in me as she kept mentioning it. She said ‘what harm would it have done to have picked up my son in that rare chance’. She was quite upset about this. She said ‘friend A’ agreed to be emergency contact. She said ‘so far she has been a good friend.’

She then went on to say to me: ‘I don’t know anything about you. I still don’t know what you do all day while the kids are at school’. I was quite shocked she could say something like that as I have never judged her in that way for working full time. I felt like she was judging me for being a SAHM.

When I got home that day I started writing an email back to her explaining how I felt. But before I could finish the email she wrote to say I don’t think we can be close friends anymore as she said we have different ideas of what a friendship is.

In the end I did send a long email back saying yes we are different and she has certain needs and expectations from a friendship, and when she doesn’t get those needs met she gets disappointed. I told her that I felt I should have the right to say no to being emergency contact for her kids, but that she didn’t respect my right to say no.

I felt like she doesn’t consider me at all, it’s all about her needs and no consideration for my needs or feelings at all.

No response back from her.

I feel used and because she hasn’t even bothered to respond, I feel like she has never considered this a two way relationship. It’s never been about my feelings and having two way communication. It’s all about her or nothing.

YANBU-I should put closure to this friendship, she has been using me

YABU-I have been a bad friend and I need to learn to help friends in need

OP posts:
OpalSky · 09/10/2021 11:29

She wanted to come over to get the Calpol. I don’t understand why if she was that desperate for Calpol that she didn’t give it earlier in the day. Her son couldn’t have been that ill to all stay up to watch the football. And I don’t understand why she couldn’t go to the shop to get some.

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Imnothereforthedrama · 09/10/2021 11:42

I probably wouldn’t of been as kind as you op . Her behaviour is totally ott . She need paracetamol, late night chemist not knock on someone’s house at midnight .
Her response is outrageous and I would of told her to get fucked .
Get rid op she’s no friend.

itsallgoingpearshaped · 09/10/2021 11:42

She's only interested in what people can do for her and has little interest in doing anything for anybody else. You're well clear of her.

I also suspect she's jealous that you're a SAHM and feels entitled to any support she wants/needs from you, hence the 'outrage' that you wouldn't be her emergency go to or be available late at night to take her things when she's perfectly free to go out herself.

OpalSky · 09/10/2021 11:49

Thanks for everyone’s comments so far. It is helping me to process and get past this experience.

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notthemum · 09/10/2021 12:12

@OpalSky.
I am sorry that you have found that your friend is not really your friend.
It is extremely upsetting when you lose someone you thought was a close friend 💐.
I had someone I considered to be my best friend for around 25 years. I would have done anything for her. It wasn't until I was forced into a situation where I had to let go of the friendship completely that I realised just how much she had put upon me in all that time and the last time I could have lost everything and she still tried to paint herself as the victim.
If your friends child was really ill and she had no one else to turn to then if this was the case you should have helped. However, if her child had been that ill surely either her or her husband could have looked after them whilst the other sourced the Calpol. Also you may be a stay at home mum and you may have never been asked to collect her children but what would you be supposed to do with yours needing to be fetched while you were looking after hers.
Op, you did nothing wrong. She is a user. Please don't feel that you could/should have yet again given into her requests.
Move on , she certainly has and by this I mean she has found a friend (mug) to be at her beck and call.
You are a strong independent woman, be confident in your decisions. You have got this.

billy1966 · 09/10/2021 12:51

@SixTwirlingTutus

some people are very good at getting others to run around them like blue arsed flies. Looks like she is one of those people and you have simply decided not to play the game.

I think you have had a lucky escape.

I think this nails it.

She wasn't a real friend, she is a user.

Only a lazy arse would dream of disturbing someone at that hour in the evening.

There was NOTHING wrong with your response.

Flowers
Standrewsschool · 09/10/2021 12:56

I presumed initially she was single and didn’t want to leave I’ll son at home alone. However, she has a husband who could do the fetching and carrying.

vivainsomnia · 09/10/2021 13:07

You both agree that you want different things from a friendship. You've evolve. At least you agree.

Leave it at that.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 09/10/2021 13:10

It read to me as if she really wanted you to offer to jump in the car and deliver the Calpol.
Why was she even asking you near midnight if she had a husband and car available?
She sounds really demanding and it sounds as if she has enjoyed telling you off in a hurtful way.
Let her go.

NorthSouthcatlady · 09/10/2021 13:17

It’s all about her isn’t it? Sounds like a friend l parted company with last year. I had to run around after her, show her a world of consideration and effort. She thought l should no expectations about her Confused

HannaHanna · 09/10/2021 13:17

Honestly, I think you are just two different types of people.

If a friend asked me for medicine for their child and I was still awake, I would get out of bed and put it on the doorstep. It’s not a huge difficulty to do this. If for whatever reason I could not manage to do this, I would not reply - it’s late at night and many people are asleep anyway. She would have gone elsewhere. Your message let her know you found it irritating that she would even ask and tried to tell her he didn’t need it anyway. You weren’t there and couldn’t know the details.

Declining to be an emergency contact is similar. It just not a big deal but you can’t be bothered.

And you sound super judgy of her letting her son stay up late for a sporting event, letting her calpol expire.

You also indicate she often asks others for help but you give only two minor examples. In western culture never needing others might be considered some kind of strength that puts you above others, but it’s not actually a positive quality in a person and especially not in a friend.
I think it’s made you superior and miserly.

ThreeYearsPastBestByDate · 09/10/2021 13:36

She has a "selfish user" type of personality, only interested in getting her own way, regardless of where or not her requests are reasonable.

You're well rid of her.

OpalSky · 09/10/2021 13:43

@notthemum-thank you for your words of encouragement

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rookiemere · 09/10/2021 13:48

She's being weird. I'd never dream of texting someone at that time of night about Calpol, particularly when the out of date stuff would have likely done just as well. Nevertheless you came up with a great solution leaving it on the doorstep- she should have been well pleased with that.
You could ask her if she wanted it gold leaf wrapped with a bouquet, but probably best not to.

ChargingBuck · 09/10/2021 13:56

YANBU

People who make grandiose claims like "I would do anything for your kids" are usually the ones who fail to provide any help, but expect a lot of it to come their way.

ChargingBuck · 09/10/2021 13:58

You weren't deserting her in her 'hour of need', you just didnt comply with her 'hour of do exactly as I say'.

Grin Grin Grin
Magnificent, @DrinkFeckArseBrick

BorderlineHappy · 09/10/2021 13:58

If a friend asked me for medicine for their child and I was still awake, I would get out of bed and put it on the doorstep. It’s not a huge difficulty to do this. If for whatever reason I could not manage to do this, I would not reply - it’s late at night and many people are asleep anyway. She would have gone elsewhere. Your message let her know you found it irritating that she would even ask and tried to tell her he didn’t need it anyway. You weren’t there and couldn’t know the details.

@HannaHanna she had all day to get the calpol as the child had been ill for a while.
Declining to be an emergency contact is similar. It just not a big deal but you can’t be bothered.

The op is a sahm for her own kids not an unpaid childminder.
And from the way she describes her now,she was right to have them bounderies in place.

Noshowlomo · 09/10/2021 14:05

Sounds like someone I used to be friends with… used to.
If your kid is ill and there are TWO parents then one goes out and gets medication and the other stays at home with the child.
I wouldn’t dream of messaging my friend for anything whilst my husband was home and fully capable!!

Hawkins001 · 09/10/2021 14:07

@OpalSky

This happened last July, but I haven’t had time to think properly about it until recently when I asked friends for advice. It would help me to understand from seeing other peoples opinions on here.

Some background: I have a friend and we have been friends for over 20 years and we live near each other. We both have kids. She works full time, I am a SAHM. I help people when I can, but I don’t like to ask for favours if I can do something myself and only ask as a last resort should I need help. She is the opposite and likes to ask for help when needs it and I don’t mind helping when I can.

It was the night of the Euro final. Her 10 year old son had a fever before the match. She let him stay up and they all watched the football and it didn’t finish until gone 11pm. She then discovered her Calpol had expired. I was in bed about to go sleep when she text and asked if I had Calpol. At this point it was near midnight. I said ‘you weren’t thinking of coming round were you, as I am about to go sleep.’ She said well he has got a temperature. I said ‘it’s probably best he goes sleep, but I can leave Calpol on the doorstep if you want to come and collect’. She said no thanks. And that’s what has annoyed her.

She wrote me an email saying she was hurt and disappointed in me. She was angry that I said her son will be fine if he just goes to sleep, and she was angry I said I was about to go sleep and you were not thinking of coming round were you. She said a friend is someone you can count on and is always there for you and that it’s a two way relationship. I apologised as I didn’t mean it in an insensitive way and in no way was I meaning to be unsympathetic.

So we met up, she said she knew I hadn’t intended to hurt her with the words I used, but that I crossed the line in not being there in her hour of need. Her son was fine the next day without any Calpol that night. She said ‘does it matter that it wasn’t an emergency, you weren’t there for me in my hour of need.’ She said she would do ‘anything for my kids’. Now she has not done anything in particular to help with my kids in the past as I never like to ask for help unless I really need it.

Then she bought up the time I didn’t agree to be emergency contact for the school for her kids. She asked me this years ago, but has obviously held resentment in me as she kept mentioning it. She said ‘what harm would it have done to have picked up my son in that rare chance’. She was quite upset about this. She said ‘friend A’ agreed to be emergency contact. She said ‘so far she has been a good friend.’

She then went on to say to me: ‘I don’t know anything about you. I still don’t know what you do all day while the kids are at school’. I was quite shocked she could say something like that as I have never judged her in that way for working full time. I felt like she was judging me for being a SAHM.

When I got home that day I started writing an email back to her explaining how I felt. But before I could finish the email she wrote to say I don’t think we can be close friends anymore as she said we have different ideas of what a friendship is.

In the end I did send a long email back saying yes we are different and she has certain needs and expectations from a friendship, and when she doesn’t get those needs met she gets disappointed. I told her that I felt I should have the right to say no to being emergency contact for her kids, but that she didn’t respect my right to say no.

I felt like she doesn’t consider me at all, it’s all about her needs and no consideration for my needs or feelings at all.

No response back from her.

I feel used and because she hasn’t even bothered to respond, I feel like she has never considered this a two way relationship. It’s never been about my feelings and having two way communication. It’s all about her or nothing.

YANBU-I should put closure to this friendship, she has been using me

YABU-I have been a bad friend and I need to learn to help friends in need

sounds like some people could need a friendship agreement to set out what is the agreed upon factors for the building of the friendship. it would certainly minimize any future issues as both sides will know whats expected.
OpalSky · 09/10/2021 14:08

One time I arranged a PlayDate with our kids. My child had just recently recovered from chickenpox. My child was past the infectious stage. At the last minute she declined the arrangement as she didn’t want to risk her children catching chicken pox.

But yet she was upset that I didn’t agree to be emergency contact for collecting her ill child.

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itsgettingwierd · 09/10/2021 14:15

[quote OpalSky]@Sn0tnose-the way I see it and that I explained in my final email to her that she did not respond to, is that I didn’t put her needs above mine instantly. That I shouldn’t be thinking of sleep but to think of her need for Calpol above anything else.[/quote]
How is she holding down a Ft job if she's genuinely this useless when it comes to her and Dh organising some calpol for a child with a fever?

Beautiful3 · 09/10/2021 14:15

I would have offered to leave it on the door step too. Why didn't you want to be a named emergency contact? If you're not working and close friends, I would have thought you'd want to help out? Not bashing you, at all. I'm a sahm too.

FabianK · 09/10/2021 14:16

That’s fair though isn’t it? Better to be safe.

I think you have very different views on friendship.

She doesn’t seem like a user to me at all.

funinthesun19 · 09/10/2021 14:17

Ugh she sounds exhausting.

I know why she wants you down as an emergency contact.
She knows you’re a SAHM and will be going that way anyway. So therefore she can accidentally on purpose be running late at pick up time.
She’d know you’re always there for her convenience.

Choccyaddict4eva · 09/10/2021 14:25

She doesn’t sound like a proper friend. You offered to leave the calpol on the doorstep and she declined- not your problem. Also she has a husband to lean on, so between the two of them I don’t see why they couldn’t have sorted something out! Still, it’s hard losing people when they’ve been in your life for so long. I hope you manage to heal and get past this in time 💐