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AIBU to not help my friend?

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OpalSky · 09/10/2021 09:17

This happened last July, but I haven’t had time to think properly about it until recently when I asked friends for advice. It would help me to understand from seeing other peoples opinions on here.

Some background: I have a friend and we have been friends for over 20 years and we live near each other. We both have kids. She works full time, I am a SAHM. I help people when I can, but I don’t like to ask for favours if I can do something myself and only ask as a last resort should I need help. She is the opposite and likes to ask for help when needs it and I don’t mind helping when I can.

It was the night of the Euro final. Her 10 year old son had a fever before the match. She let him stay up and they all watched the football and it didn’t finish until gone 11pm. She then discovered her Calpol had expired. I was in bed about to go sleep when she text and asked if I had Calpol. At this point it was near midnight. I said ‘you weren’t thinking of coming round were you, as I am about to go sleep.’ She said well he has got a temperature. I said ‘it’s probably best he goes sleep, but I can leave Calpol on the doorstep if you want to come and collect’. She said no thanks. And that’s what has annoyed her.

She wrote me an email saying she was hurt and disappointed in me. She was angry that I said her son will be fine if he just goes to sleep, and she was angry I said I was about to go sleep and you were not thinking of coming round were you. She said a friend is someone you can count on and is always there for you and that it’s a two way relationship. I apologised as I didn’t mean it in an insensitive way and in no way was I meaning to be unsympathetic.

So we met up, she said she knew I hadn’t intended to hurt her with the words I used, but that I crossed the line in not being there in her hour of need. Her son was fine the next day without any Calpol that night. She said ‘does it matter that it wasn’t an emergency, you weren’t there for me in my hour of need.’ She said she would do ‘anything for my kids’. Now she has not done anything in particular to help with my kids in the past as I never like to ask for help unless I really need it.

Then she bought up the time I didn’t agree to be emergency contact for the school for her kids. She asked me this years ago, but has obviously held resentment in me as she kept mentioning it. She said ‘what harm would it have done to have picked up my son in that rare chance’. She was quite upset about this. She said ‘friend A’ agreed to be emergency contact. She said ‘so far she has been a good friend.’

She then went on to say to me: ‘I don’t know anything about you. I still don’t know what you do all day while the kids are at school’. I was quite shocked she could say something like that as I have never judged her in that way for working full time. I felt like she was judging me for being a SAHM.

When I got home that day I started writing an email back to her explaining how I felt. But before I could finish the email she wrote to say I don’t think we can be close friends anymore as she said we have different ideas of what a friendship is.

In the end I did send a long email back saying yes we are different and she has certain needs and expectations from a friendship, and when she doesn’t get those needs met she gets disappointed. I told her that I felt I should have the right to say no to being emergency contact for her kids, but that she didn’t respect my right to say no.

I felt like she doesn’t consider me at all, it’s all about her needs and no consideration for my needs or feelings at all.

No response back from her.

I feel used and because she hasn’t even bothered to respond, I feel like she has never considered this a two way relationship. It’s never been about my feelings and having two way communication. It’s all about her or nothing.

YANBU-I should put closure to this friendship, she has been using me

YABU-I have been a bad friend and I need to learn to help friends in need

OP posts:
Quire · 10/10/2021 12:03

[quote Merryoldgoat]@Quire

I know - if a friend texted me that they’d kid was unwell I’d drop the medicine over in my nightie.[/quote]
See, I wouldn’t have unless in a genuine emergency, but my immediate response to the original text from a longterm, presumably valued friend wouldn’t have been ‘You weren’t thinking of coming around, were you, as I am going to sleep’.

I quite agree, @Cornettoninja, that the OP’s friend subsequently blew it up into Calpolgate, but I don’t think there was anything wrong with the original request for help. Or indeed with the request to be an emergency contact at the school.

Youdoyoutoday · 10/10/2021 12:04

Well she didn't give a damn about her own sons fever before the footie match so why should you care at 11pm at night?

Count yourself lucky this user is no longer in your life!

HannaHanna · 10/10/2021 12:17

@Cornettoninja I do see your point there. I’m thinking if OP had ignored the text until morning the outcome would have been different.

Cornettoninja · 10/10/2021 12:19

Thing is @Quire asking implies that the asker should expect a yes or no. If someone gives the ‘wrong’ answer or doesn’t display whatever the asker deems to be the correct amount of enthusiasm then I’m afraid my sympathy is reserved for the person who didn’t realise the subtext of the interaction because it was disguised as something else.

Quire · 10/10/2021 14:20

@Cornettoninja

Thing is *@Quire* asking implies that the asker should expect a yes or no. If someone gives the ‘wrong’ answer or doesn’t display whatever the asker deems to be the correct amount of enthusiasm then I’m afraid my sympathy is reserved for the person who didn’t realise the subtext of the interaction because it was disguised as something else.
I don’t think it requires much sensitivity to subtext to recognise that ‘You weren’t thinking of coming round, were you’ in response to a request for help is a pretty rude reply to a good longterm friend. I’m assuming it’s probably it’s that brusqueness that the friend was admittedly (melodramatically) responding to in her complaints later on. And I can’t help intuiting a slightly odd dynamic in the friendship anyway, given the OP’s weirdly transactional equivalence of ‘You cancelled a play date when my child was past the infectious stage of chickenpox, so I won’t be your child’s emergency school contact.’ It may be that they bring out the worst in one another.
Crimeismymiddlename · 10/10/2021 14:30

You are lucky this hard work sounding women has withdrawn her friendship. I can’t get over that she is seething that you did not want to be the emergency contact for her children-she obviously has issues.

Graphista · 10/10/2021 15:08

Everyone, include the OP was still awake

HannaHanna · 10/10/2021 16:31

@Graphista

Everyone, include the OP was still awake
Sorry, you are correct. I did write that. No, I’m sure not everyone was awake. The point stands.
pelosi · 10/10/2021 16:37

@Quire

See, I wouldn’t have unless in a genuine emergency, but my immediate response to the original text from a longterm, presumably valued friend wouldn’t have been ‘You weren’t thinking of coming around, were you, as I am going to sleep’.

I quite agree, @Cornettoninja, that the OP’s friend subsequently blew it up into Calpolgate, but I don’t think there was anything wrong with the original request for help. Or indeed with the request to be an emergency contact at the school.

Of course there was something wrong with the asks.

  1. If you need Calpol, why not collect it from OP’s doorstep? They didn’t want to do this, so it’s clear they expected OP to offer to bring the Calpol to them.
  1. OP knows her friend and she knows that being emergency contact would have meant the friend would have asked the school to call OP if child was sick because she is a SAHM, rather than her or husband collect the child.
Graphista · 10/10/2021 16:44

@Cornettoninja totally agree with your post

Well she didn't give a damn about her own sons fever before the footie match so why should you care at 11pm at night?

This is exactly what happens with this kind of person. They want the world to run at their convenience, there's also a degree of attention seeking I feel

My sister does this thing where one of her kids is ill in the week yet she doesn't even attempt to get a gp appointment then when gp shut creates a dramatic scenario (in her own head!) that means child needs rushed to a&e (this can sometimes inc unnecessary calling of an ambulance - don't even get me started!) and my mum having to drive over to fetch the other kids to watch them at some ungodly hour!

All totally unnecessary and pure drama Queen nonsense!

I suspect ops initial response - which she admits was a little abrupt/brusque was likely due a combination of things like being tired and annoyed at being "unsettled" at that time of night and just possibly knowing what this friend was like given the 20 years experience?

With some people who rarely ask favours and only ask in genuine emergencies and who are happy to return favours I am much more likely to respond positively than with someone who is constantly needing/asking for favours, is poorly organised and expects others to pick up their slack my internal response at least to them is far more likely to be "what now?!"

Loudestcat14 · 10/10/2021 16:57

If the child had a fever before the match, one of them could've easily nipped out at half time to buy some Calpol but presumably they were drinking so couldn't. When she messaged you it was clearly with the expectation you'd drive it over, because they were pissed.

She's being unreasonable in cutting you off for that and for declining being an emergency contact. You're better off without the friendship.

HannaHanna · 10/10/2021 16:59

So many assumptions here.

pelosi · 10/10/2021 17:07

@HannaHanna

So many assumptions here.
Like what?
Sunflowers095 · 10/10/2021 17:25

Depends. If she lives a quick walk away (easier than pharmacy) then I can't imagine replying like you did, I would stay up 10-20 mins to give my friend the calpol.

Same goes for the emergency contact (unless for some reason I really really couldn't).

You sound like you want to be an acquaintance more than a friend.

pelosi · 10/10/2021 17:27

@Sunflowers095 if you need Calpol at midnight why wouldn’t you be happy to collect it from the doorstep? Why do you need it handed to you?

Sunflowers095 · 10/10/2021 17:29

[quote pelosi]@Sunflowers095 if you need Calpol at midnight why wouldn’t you be happy to collect it from the doorstep? Why do you need it handed to you?[/quote]
I'm not saying I would need it handed to me, I'm just saying if it was me i'd just stay up the 10-20 minutes if the friend lives close.

Also the issue is the immediate response was not "yeah I'll leave it out for you" it was "you're not thinking of coming around are you?" which is much more hostile than a friendly offer to leave it at the door..

pelosi · 10/10/2021 17:30

But why would anyone need to stay up 20 minutes?

What purpose does it serve?

And yes it’s reasonable to say that when someone calls you at midnight!!!

HannaHanna · 10/10/2021 18:12

@pelosi

These are assumptions:

  1. If you need Calpol, why not collect it from OP’s doorstep? They didn’t want to do this, so it’s clear they expected OP to offer to bring the Calpol to them.
  1. OP knows her friend and she knows that being emergency contact would have meant the friend would have asked the school to call OP if child was sick because she is a SAHM, rather than her or husband collect the child.
aloris · 10/10/2021 18:35

With this kind of person, the help only ever goes one way. You can tell this because of the guilt-tripping when you try to set boundaries. Someone who is willing to do give-and-take (instead of only take) will accept when you say that a particular request is not something you can do. And you even say a complete "no"; you offered to put it on the doorstep. I have gone out at midnight to stores to get Calpol for my child, I don't understand why she had to come borrow it from you. I think she likes to have people run around after her.

The dig at not knowing what you do all day as a stay-at-home-mother was mean and rude and shows a lack of respect for you as a person.

aloris · 10/10/2021 18:36

you didn't even say a complete no. Good grief.

pelosi · 10/10/2021 18:37

[quote HannaHanna]@pelosi

These are assumptions:

  1. If you need Calpol, why not collect it from OP’s doorstep? They didn’t want to do this, so it’s clear they expected OP to offer to bring the Calpol to them.
  1. OP knows her friend and she knows that being emergency contact would have meant the friend would have asked the school to call OP if child was sick because she is a SAHM, rather than her or husband collect the child.[/quote]
Well why do you think they didn’t want to collect the Calpol from the door step?

And why wouldn’t two parents be sufficient as emergency contacts?

HannaHanna · 10/10/2021 19:20

@pelosi
OP made it clear she didn’t want to be bothered. Friend likely felt uncomfortable saying “yes, was hoping to stop over and borrow it if possible”.

An emergency contact is meant for when parents or guardians are unreachable. I would never assume it meant “call my friend before you bother me”.

BorderlineHappy · 10/10/2021 19:59

@HannaHanna why are you so intent in making the op the bad guy.

They had all day to get Calpol but didn't.
They left it till the football was over to ask.
If it was that important they should have got off their arse and actually got it earlier

And you know the way the friend had a tantrum when she didn't get her own way the op was right to refuse emergency contact.

Quire · 10/10/2021 20:11

[quote BorderlineHappy]@HannaHanna why are you so intent in making the op the bad guy.

They had all day to get Calpol but didn't.
They left it till the football was over to ask.
If it was that important they should have got off their arse and actually got it earlier

And you know the way the friend had a tantrum when she didn't get her own way the op was right to refuse emergency contact.[/quote]
But the refusal to be an emergency contact was years before this, the OP says.

HannaHanna · 10/10/2021 20:53

@BorderlineHappy

“ They had all day to get Calpol but didn't.
They left it till the football was over to ask.
If it was that important they should have got off their arse and actually got it earlier”

I just find this attitude toward a friend impossible to comprehend.

When someone you care about asks you for help do you always question them like this? “You need to borrow sugar? Why didn’t you think about that when you were at the store?! You don’t need to make cookies now.”

They had calpol. Didn’t know it was expired until it was bedtime for their son on a night that was special. There was a reported calpol shortage. They thought to call a friend and ask and got a sharp, unfriendly response.

Friend later thought about this coupled with at least one other instance where the OP expressed reluctance to be involved and decided to let her know she was cooling off the friendship.

OP does not have to help anyone ever with anything. She can say no without all the attitude and judgement. But she posted to ask what people thought and in my opinion she should not be surprised her friend is cooking things off.

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