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AIBU to not help my friend?

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OpalSky · 09/10/2021 09:17

This happened last July, but I haven’t had time to think properly about it until recently when I asked friends for advice. It would help me to understand from seeing other peoples opinions on here.

Some background: I have a friend and we have been friends for over 20 years and we live near each other. We both have kids. She works full time, I am a SAHM. I help people when I can, but I don’t like to ask for favours if I can do something myself and only ask as a last resort should I need help. She is the opposite and likes to ask for help when needs it and I don’t mind helping when I can.

It was the night of the Euro final. Her 10 year old son had a fever before the match. She let him stay up and they all watched the football and it didn’t finish until gone 11pm. She then discovered her Calpol had expired. I was in bed about to go sleep when she text and asked if I had Calpol. At this point it was near midnight. I said ‘you weren’t thinking of coming round were you, as I am about to go sleep.’ She said well he has got a temperature. I said ‘it’s probably best he goes sleep, but I can leave Calpol on the doorstep if you want to come and collect’. She said no thanks. And that’s what has annoyed her.

She wrote me an email saying she was hurt and disappointed in me. She was angry that I said her son will be fine if he just goes to sleep, and she was angry I said I was about to go sleep and you were not thinking of coming round were you. She said a friend is someone you can count on and is always there for you and that it’s a two way relationship. I apologised as I didn’t mean it in an insensitive way and in no way was I meaning to be unsympathetic.

So we met up, she said she knew I hadn’t intended to hurt her with the words I used, but that I crossed the line in not being there in her hour of need. Her son was fine the next day without any Calpol that night. She said ‘does it matter that it wasn’t an emergency, you weren’t there for me in my hour of need.’ She said she would do ‘anything for my kids’. Now she has not done anything in particular to help with my kids in the past as I never like to ask for help unless I really need it.

Then she bought up the time I didn’t agree to be emergency contact for the school for her kids. She asked me this years ago, but has obviously held resentment in me as she kept mentioning it. She said ‘what harm would it have done to have picked up my son in that rare chance’. She was quite upset about this. She said ‘friend A’ agreed to be emergency contact. She said ‘so far she has been a good friend.’

She then went on to say to me: ‘I don’t know anything about you. I still don’t know what you do all day while the kids are at school’. I was quite shocked she could say something like that as I have never judged her in that way for working full time. I felt like she was judging me for being a SAHM.

When I got home that day I started writing an email back to her explaining how I felt. But before I could finish the email she wrote to say I don’t think we can be close friends anymore as she said we have different ideas of what a friendship is.

In the end I did send a long email back saying yes we are different and she has certain needs and expectations from a friendship, and when she doesn’t get those needs met she gets disappointed. I told her that I felt I should have the right to say no to being emergency contact for her kids, but that she didn’t respect my right to say no.

I felt like she doesn’t consider me at all, it’s all about her needs and no consideration for my needs or feelings at all.

No response back from her.

I feel used and because she hasn’t even bothered to respond, I feel like she has never considered this a two way relationship. It’s never been about my feelings and having two way communication. It’s all about her or nothing.

YANBU-I should put closure to this friendship, she has been using me

YABU-I have been a bad friend and I need to learn to help friends in need

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OpalSky · 09/10/2021 10:11

@Quire- I did apologise for the words i used and she said she knows I didn’t use those words to intentionally hurt her. But it was late at night and I’m sure anyone has sometimes used the wrong words to express themselves.

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Sn0tnose · 09/10/2021 10:13

If you offered to leave your Calpol on the doorstep for her to pick up, then why has she got the hump? Was she intending to turn it into a social visit? Or did she want you to drop it off to her? Either way, she’s taking the piss.

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2021 10:15

The child is 10. Not ten months. Calpol isn't going to make the world of difference. If it was that crucial she could go to the shops. If he was so unwell she couldn't do that, she should have been phoning 111 not you.

As for the emergency contact. I absolutely wouldn't want to take responsibility for someone else's sick child. A sick child doesn't want a family friend. Its not the same as babysitting a child that's well. You don't have parental responsibility so if things get worse it puts you in a difficult position. Plus you don't want to get ill and pass it to your family!!! Cos thats potentially what she is asking to do.

Consent has to be freely given and not under duress. Emotionally blackmailing you to become an emergency contact is no ok. You have the right to say no. Don't feel guilty about that.

Ultimately whilst you are friends that doesn't mean you have to take responsibility for her children if you don't wish to. Even if you don't work. There are reasons you don't work and there are negatives that you actively choose as part of that decision (having to fed off cfers who think you can fill in their childcare gaps is one of them). You aren't paid being the biggest one. Your decision and one you don't have to justify or explain to her cos its none of her fucking business.

Being about to 'count on each other' is code for 'you don't work, therefore I should have a right to dump my children and childcare issues on you in the full knowledge that I can't offer to do the same because I can hide behind the excuse of having a job'.

She's a drama llama who wanted you to be at her beck and call and when you said no, quite reasonably she's thrown her toys out the pram. Then blamed you for it being a one way relationship! (The complete opposite seems to be true).

Being a friend doesn't come with terms and conditions. If it does its not a healthy relationship.

The fact you are still dwelling on this, months later highlights how she emotionally manipulated you. You are best off without 'friends' like this.

BrendaBubbles · 09/10/2021 10:17

She then discovered her Calpol had expired

Unless it's years or it smells/looks bad it doesn't matter. It just means it might be weaker.

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2021 10:19

[quote OpalSky]@holidaynearlyover-she is not a single mum. She has a husband. They have a car. We live in london. There are plenty of places to get Calpol late at night. Well that’s what I would have done in her situation, gone to the shop to get some, not bother my friend late at night.[/quote]
Wtf is wrong with both parents that between the two of them they can't find late night calpol or work out emergency child care.

Jesus.

I thought she was a single parent from what you said. Why is husband so feckless in all this is the real question.

OpalSky · 09/10/2021 10:19

@Sn0tnose-the way I see it and that I explained in my final email to her that she did not respond to, is that I didn’t put her needs above mine instantly. That I shouldn’t be thinking of sleep but to think of her need for Calpol above anything else.

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Quire · 09/10/2021 10:20

[quote OpalSky]@Quire- I did apologise for the words i used and she said she knows I didn’t use those words to intentionally hurt her. But it was late at night and I’m sure anyone has sometimes used the wrong words to express themselves.[/quote]
I don’t think it’s relevant whether or not you were being intentionally hurtful in your text, it’s more that your immediate reaction to a friend of more than 20 years was essentially ‘You weren’t expecting me to help, were you?’

You seem to have a slight bee in your bonnet about being self-reliant, and only asking for help as a last resort — she clearly feels that asking for help isn’t such a big deal, which you seem to resent.

Cornettoninja · 09/10/2021 10:20

Whilst she may not be a ‘user’ as such she does sound like hard work with massive expectations of those around her but very little respect of their needs. I think thats probably more self absorbed than using. If you had an acceptable (to her) reason she’d be fine with it.

I would also bristle at the ‘I don’t know what you do all day’ comment. Wtf? It’s literally nothing to do with her and it sounds like she was eyeing you up to fill your time with things beneficial to her.

So although not a user she has no respect for boundaries or other peoples needs so you’re best off out of it.

OpalSky · 09/10/2021 10:23

@RedToothBrush-you wrote exactly how in feel about the whole thing!

I think because I care too much that’s why I am dwelling on it. And because she hasn’t responded, I feel hurt that she can’t even be bothered to communicate back.

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balernobetty · 09/10/2021 10:24

I do think she viewed the friendship differently to you and there was no need to ask you for calpol when it was so readily available in out of hours shops but I also think your reply was rude re the questioning her about her intention to come round and you also sound quite judgmental re her letting her son stay up to watch the football.
I think you have to accept the friendship is over on the basis you both have very different ideas about what it actually means

NoSquirrels · 09/10/2021 10:25

Why didn’t either parent give their poorly child pain relief earlier in the day/evening? (Answer, because they didn’t want to put themselves out by missing some of the football.)

Cornettoninja · 09/10/2021 10:27

@OpalSky her not responding tells you everything you need to know tbh. She doesn’t care about your reasons or feelings on the matter and sees no reason to look at it from anyone’s perspective but her own. The only thing you’ve done is highlight a perfectly reasonable boundary.

You’re not her mother, sister or partner and you’ve no responsibility to provide that level of support to her. It’s great when friends can step up but it’s not a given and is an inappropriate expectation.

OpalSky · 09/10/2021 10:28

@quire- I think because over the years she always asks for things or asks for advice and I don’t understand why sometimes she can’t do it herself. I have helped many times in the past because I don’t mind. But I don’t understand why she doesn’t do some of these things herself. Some things can easily be solved by looking yourself on the internet instead of asking me to solve the problem.

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Willyoujustbequiet · 09/10/2021 10:31

I get the calpol thing but if you were close friends I don't understand your refusal to be an emergency contact. I've been for others and never get called in years.

As a lone parent I would definitely think less of a close friend who refused this. I would also add I'm definitely one who never asks favours and has never needed anyone to step in but it's the principle.

SalmonEile · 09/10/2021 10:32

Honestly reading the OP I thought ok she’s a single parent worried about her son and needed someone to sound off to and it wasn’t about the calpol at all but seeing she has a husband (who unless he was mouldy drunk after the final ) could’ve helped her then i don’t know what her problem is!

lifecoachingandotherbollocks · 09/10/2021 10:32

Gah, she sounds a piece of work. Try and move on from it. I had a similar experience my ‘best’ friend dropped me when I said no to a few (of her neverending) requests. I was really hurt but after nearly a year realise shes one of lifes takers and Im better off.

Quire · 09/10/2021 10:36

[quote OpalSky]@quire- I think because over the years she always asks for things or asks for advice and I don’t understand why sometimes she can’t do it herself. I have helped many times in the past because I don’t mind. But I don’t understand why she doesn’t do some of these things herself. Some things can easily be solved by looking yourself on the internet instead of asking me to solve the problem.[/quote]
I get that, @OpalSky, and I’m not someone who finds it easy or natural to ask for help, either. But other people aren’t obliged to adopt my code. If a good friend asks me for help, I generally help if I’m able, rather than thinking of all the other ways they could have done whatever it is they need help with.

CallmeHendricks · 09/10/2021 10:38

Well her son had a fever all evening throughout the football? She didn't seem to want to put herself out (or her husband) by sourcing calpol earlier on, but decided to make you the bad guy here?
She sounds high maintenance and a user. You're best off out of it.

SixTwirlingTutus · 09/10/2021 10:40

@CallmeHendricks

Well her son had a fever all evening throughout the football? She didn't seem to want to put herself out (or her husband) by sourcing calpol earlier on, but decided to make you the bad guy here? She sounds high maintenance and a user. You're best off out of it.
anyway she should have done what normal people do.

Posted on facebook saying 'Ds has fever. [sad face] can anyone get me some calpol. '

Cue loads of 'you okay hun' and the response 'PM me'.

Holskey · 09/10/2021 10:42

You have different ideas of what friendship is. That's okay. The drama and not understanding each other is the problem. You're not close friends.

Fwiw, if it were a close friend of mine, I would have done as she asked, especially the emergency contact. If I thought it were too big an ask, it would be because I didn't consider her a close enough friend.

HollowTalk · 09/10/2021 10:44

Does she have a partner who could have come to collect the Calpol? If so then I can't see what the problem is at all with that. However if she's a single mum then she couldn't really leave a child to come out and pick up the medicine could she?

anon12345678901 · 09/10/2021 10:47

@HollowTalk

Does she have a partner who could have come to collect the Calpol? If so then I can't see what the problem is at all with that. However if she's a single mum then she couldn't really leave a child to come out and pick up the medicine could she?
She's married. So she or her husband should have gone out to buy some if they were worried about their child. OP she is a user, some people are givers and some are takers, she sounds like the latter. Also As she has a husband, he should be the emergency contact, not you.
Cornettoninja · 09/10/2021 10:51

There’s a point helping the same person over and over again becomes facilitating. She wants a facilitator not a friend.

Quire · 09/10/2021 11:12

@HollowTalk

Does she have a partner who could have come to collect the Calpol? If so then I can't see what the problem is at all with that. However if she's a single mum then she couldn't really leave a child to come out and pick up the medicine could she?
From what the OP says, there doesn’t ever seem to have been any suggestion that the OP was being asked to bring the Calpol to her friend’s house — in her reply, the OP was assuming that what her friend wanted was to come over and collect it from the OP’s house.

(I assume some of the reason the friend asked if the OP if she had Calpol rather than going to an all-night pharmacy was that if she and her husband were watching the Euro final they may have both had a drink and hence been unable to drive to an open pharmacy, whereas the OP says they live close to one another, so the friend or husband could have nipped over on foot…?)

OpalSky · 09/10/2021 11:25

@Cornettoninja. Thanks. That’s exactly how I feel

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