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AIBU to be uninterested in my work colleagues sex lives?

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jacktheladess · 03/10/2021 15:30

NC for obvious reasons! The company I work for is very 'woke'. It recently had a LGBTQ+ day where everyone who wanted to could 'come out' to colleagues. One colleague gave us chapter and verse on how he was Bi (engaged to female, which we were all aware of). He then went on to write an article for our company newsletter on how supported he felt about revealing to all his colleagues that he was Bi and how wonderful they had all been, and what a wonderful reaction he had. So I feel a bit uncomfortable about this tbh. He isn't a close colleague, but even had he been I have absolutely zero interest in my work colleagues sex lives? I couldn't give a flying fuck if they are straight, bi, gay, into bondage, whatever. I really, really don't care. I do not expect my colleagues to wonder about my sex life, so why should I be encouraged to take an interest in theirs? Perhaps not an AIBU (because even if the majority think I am, I don't care) , but does anyone else feel like this? That their work place is actively encouraging people to share their sexual proclivities?

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julieca · 04/10/2021 11:21

We have emails going out that so and so is getting married. I don't need to know that. But I am nice and congratulate them. I don't reply saying why are you sharing details of this person's sex life with me?

Iooselipssinkships · 04/10/2021 11:22

My child is 13 and gay, she came out about a year and half ago. She has told friends at school. This has nothing to do with her sex life as she doesn't have one! There's a difference. Sex is an act, something personal and intimate, sexuality is an identity and intrinsically part of who someone is.

BIoodyStupidJohnson · 04/10/2021 11:34

Also the 'telling everyone' element is often a really important part of the process for the person coming out. It usually comes after a long period of repression, self-examination, keeping secrets, hiding oneself. Depression, anxiety and self-hatred, even, for some.

My older brother, who's been out since he was 17, always says that coming out is a lifelong process, not a single event. Because he has to keep doing it, even 25-odd years later. Because people keep assuming he's straight, or making ill-considered and/or offensive remarks to him.

Straight people often don't get it because they've never had to tell the world that they're straight; society generally assumes this of people. (And, at one level, it's a reasonable assumption from a statistical perspective because around 95% of people are straight.) It is a position of exceptional comfort and privilege to never be in a position where you have to stand up and define yourself contrary to the assumptions of your family, friends, society in general.

But if you're lesbian, gay or bi, you're constantly being 'got wrong' at a fundamental level by pretty much everyone you meet unless you correct them. Not to mention the prejudice, bigotry and homophobia/biphobia that still happens in society to this day; some of it physical, some of it emotional, some of it societal. Sometimes a big announcement feels like the best and most efficient way to get the record adjusted.

slashlover · 04/10/2021 12:08

I suppose personally it bothers me because I haven't and wouldn't "come out" and so everyone just assumes itsfine to call me straight.
I don't want to "come out" I want people to think of me as a person and not assume anything
Fed up of labels and having to put myself in a box. That's why I don't like it.

Nobody is forcing you to come out though. If you don't want to tell anyone then don't. Someone else coming out is not causing others to think you're straight because you haven't. Society was assuming heterosexuality even when people couldn't come out because it could result in them losing their job/family/etc.

EBearhug · 04/10/2021 13:39

I have colleagues where I have no idea if they're gay or straight or bi, single, married, divorced, or anything else. Some people keep clear boundaries between home and work. Others, I know quite a lot about their current relationship and relationship history, and I've even met some of their families. I don't mind which way people choose to play it - as long as it is a choice. I don't want anyone to feel they can't talk about it if they want to.

We have some openly gay men at work, so I assume it's fine to come out - no lesbians that I'm aware of, but as I'm the only woman in my depth, it might just be reflecting the lack of women around. I don't know.

Some of my overseas colleagues, I don't even know if they're male or female, let alone their sexuality. I think overall, it's okay to be out in our company, but I suspect it varies between different offices and countries - there are certainly different working cultures between different departments, even though the company puts in a lot if effort to make us all aware of the company values, expected behaviour and so on. Still, we too have company articles about people doing charitable works, overcoming cancer, having a child with their same-sex partner and so on. And that's all more interesting than the articles on the new iPhone coming out... but also easy to ignore if you don't want to read it. We do have a lot of internal comms.

julieca · 04/10/2021 15:17

It is normal if you don't work closely with people not to know much about their home life. But it would be strange to sit next to someone in an office day after day and know nothing about them.

ChargingBuck · 04/10/2021 16:23

@jacktheladess

OK, maybe I didn't write this very well, of course I understand it's more than sex, but what I was getting at was that it was in the company newsletter. If he wants to tell his direct colleagues that's fine - I know some of my direct colleagues are gay, because we work closely, it's the expectation that the whole company needs to know. I NC because I post on here a lot and I am most certainly not homophobic, I am very much 'live and let live, and if it doesn't hurt anyone else go for it' - I just can't see why a company would think we all need to know.
But you most definitely are homophobic.

You are doing the sexual orientation version of white people who proudly announce that they "don't see colour"! - totally oblivious to the fact that it is only their privileged state of whiteness that allows them to pretend race doesn't exist.

You clearly feel that homosexual/bi people are "other" - note how you unconsciously associated non-het orientation with bondage!

You're happy to bumble along in the safe assumption that you colleagues are hetero, & are offended by the mere notion of having to accept that some are not.

And conflating someone talking about their orientation, & their home life with their partner, does not equate to "hearing about their sex life". If Muriel from accounts gave you "chapter & verse" about how she was engaged to Barry, would that have prompted your frothing OP?

You are so uncomfortable with the simple reality of other people's orientation that you've presented this purely in terms of sex.
SO much so that I wonder if you are protesting too much ... I mean, WTF is your problem? Some people are gay, or bi. If you genuinely didn't care about it, as you claim, those people referring to their orientation would not bother you like it does.

Maybe you need to educate yourself a bit to get past your bias.
Read some gay lit, watch some gay films. Then you might find yourself less sensitive to the completely non-shocking news that around 10% of your workforce is gay, it's fine for them to be out, & they don't have to labour under an assumption of "must be het because that's what normal people are" that you seem to believe indicates your lack of homophobia ...

voldr · 05/10/2021 11:58

If you had been told that X and Y were getting married, would you have similarly had a whinge about not wanting to know about their sex lives

julieca · 05/10/2021 12:02

We have had things in our work newsletter written by an employee about their particular disability and its impact to raise awareness. I mean strictly speaking I don't need to know. But I just don't see the issue really.

BrendaBubbles · 05/10/2021 12:28

If you had been told that X and Y were getting married, would you have similarly had a whinge about not wanting to know about their sex lives

Two people getting married tells you absolutely zero about their sex lives.

voldr · 05/10/2021 12:42

@BrendaBubbles

If you had been told that X and Y were getting married, would you have similarly had a whinge about not wanting to know about their sex lives

Two people getting married tells you absolutely zero about their sex lives.

So does someone telling you they're bisexual.
julieca · 05/10/2021 12:50

Telling you they are getting married says as much about their sex lives as someone telling you they are gay or bisexual.

Jackofallsorts · 05/10/2021 13:08

This is less about bi or gay people being comfortable and secure in the workplace (which they should be) and more about the blurring of work and personal lives. I'm fed up with my colleagues (mostly straight) over sharing about their personal lives and various family issues to the point I nearly dread Mondays

Bumblenums1234 · 05/10/2021 13:16

Personally I refer to everyone's SO as partner so I don't accidentally say girlfriend/wife to a guy man etc. Just makes things easier. If they want to correct me or tell me their sexual orientation that is up to them, gay/straight/bi whatever.

Bumblenums1234 · 05/10/2021 13:16

*gay man ffs

KittenKong · 05/10/2021 13:32

The only time I have really bitten my tongue was when I worked with a Middle Aged man - say Bill Smith, who lived with a Middle Aged woman - say Mary Smith.

Of course I assumed they were married... so I’d enquire after his wife’s (I am useless with names) health (she’d been poorly), ask if he’d bought flowers for valentines... he was always friendly and would say ‘oh she’s fine - I’ve had to take her for a check up’ or ‘we just bought a bottle of wine and had cake...‘.

It wasn’t for a while until he mentioned that Mary was his sister... they’d inherited a kick-ass flat and decided to share it.

Now that would have been a useful ‘disclosure’... I think he thought it was funny.

Skinnytailedsquirrel · 05/10/2021 13:40

Talking about your sex life to colleagues is tacky and demeaning. Some people just have no shame.

voldr · 05/10/2021 13:45

@Skinnytailedsquirrel

Talking about your sex life to colleagues is tacky and demeaning. Some people just have no shame.
Good thing no one in the OP is doing that then.
KittenKong · 05/10/2021 13:46

I had a contractor working for us who was having an affair with two men (she was married with little kids). After a couple of drinks she would tell you alllll about it. My god woman... (and yes, I’d be a prissy if she’d been a man having an affair).

Tal45 · 05/10/2021 14:18

If I was engaged to someone who was bi I think I'd wonder why they needed the whole office to know they were also attracted to men tbh. Different if you're not in a committed relationship and might be dating either sex in the future but if you're marrying someone then doesn't it become a bit irrelevant who else you're attracted to?

QuentinBunbury · 05/10/2021 14:21

If I was engaged to someone who was bi I think I'd wonder why they needed the whole office to know they were also attracted to men tbh.

EXACTLY

voldr · 05/10/2021 14:37

@Tal45

If I was engaged to someone who was bi I think I'd wonder why they needed the whole office to know they were also attracted to men tbh. Different if you're not in a committed relationship and might be dating either sex in the future but if you're marrying someone then doesn't it become a bit irrelevant who else you're attracted to?
Maybe he's trying to help others who might be worried about coming out?
PinkArt · 05/10/2021 19:43

Not the best analogy as sexuality obvs isn't a choice like enjoying a sport, but what if you were engaged to someone who used to play golf and football, but these days they're just playing football. Would it be irrelevant for them to talk to colleagues about how they've played golf before if the company had a chat about sports day?

Linning · 05/10/2021 20:25

YABVU to assume talking about your sexual orientation has anything to do with talking about sex. One can date people of any gender/sex without being sexually involved with them.

I almost never announce my sexuality to my work, yet other people (often at work) continuously assume my sexuality. And of course their assumption is that I am straight. Usually I just nod and smile because I don’t feel like coming out to my boss and potentially risking my job if she happens to have a problem with me being gay, but it’s incredibly infuriating that people cannot stop assuming people are straight. And also seem to notice every time someone mentions they are Bi/gay while failing to realize how often and casually they mention they are straight and how often heteronormativity is showcased absolutely everywhere by most of the population.

For queer people mentioning they are not straight in the workplace when undoubtedly asked personal questions (even casual ones) is a minefield. Do you know how it feels to date someone and have to act like you don’t? Because you are scared that if you mention a partner they will start asking questions and you will either have to admit you are gay potentially leading to a future hostile workplace or lie and invent a male persona to your girlfriend so people don’t suspect you are gay which is horrible.

Coming out to the workplace is part of normalizing the fact that your colleagues aren’t necessarily hetero, and while I agree with you that it shouldn’t matter, trust me when I say that it does matter.
People are still dying because they are gay, lesbians are still being raped for being gay, Bi sexual folks (and specifically Bi sexual men) are still denied their identity and assumed gay and treated as Pariah by both the heterosexual and LGBTQ+ community, trans women are still being harassed and murdered for their gender identity.

In an ideal world, your colleague wouldn’t need to come out because him being Bi would be as societally accepted as him being straight. But it’s not, is it? And you not having a problem with him being Bi doesn’t mean being Bi hasn’t brought him issues and isn’t still seen as problematic in our society and isn’t deserving of awareness and proper open discussions.

Be grateful you don’t need a day to come out. Most queer people HAVE TO come out on an almost daily basis. NOT a because we want to tell everyone how gay we are but because people continuously wrongly assume we are straight so we continuously have to correct them, with the fear of potential repercussions from doing so.

If you want people to stop ever having to come out, be of those people who A- understand why people still need to come out and B- of those who ask gender-neutral questions if ever asking personal questions. The number of sentences that people use or questions people ask with the clear assumption I date men/am interested in men/ currently looking for men/potentially dating a man, is embarrassing!

And it’s annoying to have to be like “I am gay actually.” Starting a conversation then on my sexuality and how they would have “never guessed I was gay!” That trust me, I don’t want to have anymore than you do.

If people assumed whoever they talked to might be Bi, queer people wouldn’t have to come out as much and we could have very easy/casual conversation without the whole coming out thing that is absolutely not fun for us and most definitely dreaded by us (even though straight people seem to weirdly think we absolutely LOVE to tell them we are gay and can’t help it all while refusing to acknowledge why we actually have to tell them we are gay. Sigh.)

ChargingBuck · 05/10/2021 20:32

Stonking post @Linning.

Hope OP gets it now - her irritation is a luxury born of straight privilege.

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