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Would you marry for wealth?

369 replies

COOKFORD · 02/10/2021 17:40

On a thread recently a woman in her 30s said she pursued a man 40 years her senior in a quest to secure financial security.
As a female of a similar age, it made me think a lot. Whilst I can't, or at least at a stage, couldn't imagine sleeping with a man of that age, I can see why people would do it and can make sense of it.
The poster said she was sick of being broke and working for nothing and with that I can relate to. She never gave any details of her job etc but as a college graduate with a degree I myself work in a professional job yet am still renting and likely always will be with little savings and bugger all pension really.
The older I get the more it scares me and I would consider it I think sometimes but I don't know if I could go through with it. Could you?

OP posts:
COOKFORD · 03/10/2021 17:22

tbh I wouldnt want them to. Id be knackered! A slim upright handsome 60+ will do for me, I have a specific type

yea but the majority of women in their 20s and 30s will want men of that age too, few will look anywhere near men over 60.

OP posts:
COOKFORD · 03/10/2021 17:24

On the flip side we could ask what an older man is doing in such a relationship

well we all know that answer but the thread is about us women going for it, our intentions, not his.

OP posts:
DrSbaitso · 03/10/2021 17:47

@COOKFORD

On the flip side we could ask what an older man is doing in such a relationship

well we all know that answer but the thread is about us women going for it, our intentions, not his.

Well they don't operate independently of each other. And the woman's intentions aren't any more complex than his. Simpler, actually. Money is a bit more straightforward to give than sex and entertaining company.

I'm starting to get the feeling that you're wishing you could have made it work with this man? Because, as you rightly say, being poor is completely shite.

KittyKattyKate · 03/10/2021 17:49

Women who marry for money earn every single penny.

DrSbaitso · 03/10/2021 17:54

@KittyKattyKate

Women who marry for money earn every single penny.
That's true of most jobs, including some very crap and low paid ones.
ChequerBoard · 03/10/2021 18:02

@KittyKattyKate

Women who marry for money earn every single penny.

But they are tied to a 'job' with 24/7 working hours and a 'manager' that you can never move teams or get a promoted to move away from if you don't like their style.

It's a very heavy price to pay, being 'on shift' full time with no breaks and no holidays.

DrSbaitso · 03/10/2021 18:09

That really depends on the nature of the arrangement.

TSSDNCOP · 03/10/2021 20:43

Yep

20Past3 · 03/10/2021 22:12

It depends on the situation. I think many or most people consider financial aspects when getting married. I don’t think I would have married someone without a job, prospects, broke, seriously in debt, etc.

I’d imagine most people would want an equal contributor in the relationship, in terms of money, as together with other aspects, care, attention, sex, conversation, household, etc.

AngelicaElizaAndPeggy · 03/10/2021 22:19

Charlotte Collins in Pride and Prejudice sums this up in a nutshell, way back in c.1813:

'I am not romantic, you know. I never was. I ask only a comfortable home; and considering Mr. Collins's character, connections, and situation in life, I am convinced that my chance of happiness with him is as fair, as most people can boast on entering the marriage state.'

Her other option was a life living in spinsterhood, risking destitution should the rest of her family die before her or cast her out for lack of means. Savage, really, but- this is the way women have had to live for centuries!

Ileflottante · 03/10/2021 22:21

I would for Tom Selleck.

HW1989 · 04/10/2021 06:51

I don’t have a degree or anything but worked hard in a demanding nanny job which provided me with financial security.
During that time (whilst doing a job I was beginning to get stressed with due to the ridiculous hours) a man 30 years my senior asked if I would have his child in exchange for money. It would be joint custody, he just wanted to have another child. I didn’t even have to think about it. It was a definite no. I was able to work my ass off for a few years to get some financial security for myself and then leave that job to start living my own life. I have now found a man I love deeply and we are expecting our first child. We’re certainly not rich but secure due to working hard and extremely happy.

olivehater · 04/10/2021 07:08

It makes me sad someone going for someone that old. Rich men of that age just expect younger women now. He probably had a wife his age who loved him and was there supporting him while he made his money. How can she compete with a significantly younger woman?

sqirrelfriends · 04/10/2021 07:24

Tbh if I didn't have lovely DH then I probably would, but not to someone I'm not attracted to or didn't like. Financial security is important and I have seen too many cock lodgers take advantage of friends.

I think I would struggle to find a rich man in his 30's or early 40's who would want to marry me so it's a big of a moot point.

NumberNineTwo · 04/10/2021 07:31

Absolutely. Of course I wouldn’t reject love in favour of money. But if love isn’t on the cards, why not settle for money? It’s better than nothing.

MakingM2 · 04/10/2021 10:52

@COOKFORD

You said -
“ as a college graduate with a degree I myself work in a professional job yet am still renting and likely always will be with little savings and bugger all pension really.”

Did anyone question why you weren’t asking why you are in this situation? I don’t have time to read all the responses to find out.

Women, for centuries, have been conditioned into this mindset of swopping youth for money, and at 30 we’re stretching the idea of youth here a little, but the problem with asking these questions on the internet is no one really takes time to think about the answer.

You have a low paying job that makes saving almost impossible likely because your housing and other costs of living are astronomical.

The way to tackle that is not to trade youth for money. The way to tackle that is to provide genuinely affordable housing so you can save and live on the money that is available from the job your can get in your area.

See that’s the answer you get when the conversation takes place off the internet.

The situation is not going to improve. I read our local housing policy as bedtime reading last night. Yay, me, with all the excitement. The government have given them a goal to build new homes to increase supply to lower prices. The land they’ve found provides only half the available homes needed for the next 15 years The prices will simply continue to rise exponentially and in 15 years a young woman will be asking mumsnet whether she should trade youth for money because she’s living in a dormitory.

Read, OP, read (starting with a book called Home Truths) and then lend your voice to making some fucking noise, instead of having conversations about whether or not it is reasonable to trade your body.

I’m off here to find somewhere to make noise ;)

MakingM out.

washingmachines4 · 04/10/2021 11:20

I wouldn't. I would feel very uncomfortable being reliant on someone else (whether it be parents or a partner for financial security). I have had times of little money (student) but still found I could live independently on minimum wage.
I had an underpaid job I loved for years, then I had a child and my priorities changed and so I chased money (earning it for myself) and now I love that job too. I am not sure this statement is true:
"Not everyone can or will earn more"
Don't like what your job - change it
Want to earn more - get a job that earns more
Apply a growth mindset, not 'I can't', yes to 'how can I...'
If a standard job can't work for your lifestyle - get entrepreneurial.
Choose the life you want, then go get it. No whoring yourself out required.
(That said I wasn't happy in a previous relationship as the one carrying another person - I was looking for a life partner to be my equal - found one now and very happy!)

JudgeJ · 04/10/2021 11:41

@thedevilinablackdress

So, someone in their 70s? Bruce Springsteen, Harrison Ford, Tom Sellick - sure.
Can I add Robert Redford? Just looked, he's 85!!
bh2210 · 04/10/2021 12:00

I have a very close friend who did this, although with a man 25 years older. She is unhappy and life is not what she thought it was. He has affairs and so does she and the 'marriage' is one of convenience, for tax, for business etc etc. It's not the life she would have chosen if she had done it again but she is stuck as she can't leave him due to pre-nup/lifestyle/children / security etc etc.

To be honest, there are worse positions to be in to than being be surrounded by endless wealth and not need to worry about money but the wealth fills the gap where the love isn't.

Rapunzel91 · 04/10/2021 12:30

I wouldn't want to marry someone 40 years older than me. I've been on dates with men much older than me and it just doesnt work.

Would I marry for wealth? Probably not it that was the only factor. Would I marry someone I loved but was shit with money/didnt have any ambitions for a more comfortable life? Frankly no. I'm not on a great salary but I know where to put my money to grow it. A large part of that is that I'm lucky in that I dont have to rent and live with a partner who also earns and wants the same.

PearLime · 04/10/2021 16:41

But the older I get the more I see the point of marriage as a strategic alliance to protect your wealth and an insurance policy. Marrying for "love" (really, sex) is a fool's game.

I don't think that marrying for love and marrying as a strategic alliance are mutually exclusive. You can find both.

Maybe you mean where it is a "one or the other" type situation, you'd value the strategic alliance more?

CatsArePeople · 04/10/2021 17:17

So, someone in their 70s?
Bruce Springsteen, Harrison Ford, Tom Sellick - sure.

What if... Donald Trump? Joe Biden?

leatherboundbooks · 04/10/2021 17:55

When some of my friends were in their early 20ss [now mid-60s] they did marry men 20/25 years older, and they are still together, still happy, one had been a bachelor, one divorced but both had houses, neither were that well paid, reasonably, but not enormously, the men are now getting to the time of life where their health is not brilliant, but they are happy to accept that.

As a mid 60s woman whose divorce took a lot of money from me, but now I'm looking forward to a reasonable pension next year, I'd not risk marrying someone who could affect my financial security in my old age if we divorced. If I ever decided I wanted to marry again I'd need to know that should he leave me and divorce me [or vice versa] that I would not be in a worse financial situation than I would be without. I'd prefer to live with him to be honest, or just have him as a good friend with whom I spent time and went out and about for company but living at his. I have joked that I'd not marry again unless it was to a very old rich man with no family, maybe that's bad but I'd know that he wasn't going to leave me skint for the rest of my life

I'd want him to be kind, and not abusive, had enough of that sort of thing. I'd not want him to have a difficult family situation after a divorce, that would stress me out.

When I became single again and trying to make friends, with whom to go out I went to meetups, not looking for a man at all, but there was someone there that I knew superficially and seemed really nice, but after being in a group with him for a few sessions, no way would I want anything to do with him,I feel that I have really got to really get to know someone before I even consider getting into a relationship.

I honestly don't think I'd want someone much younger than I am, I guess that I'd be looking for a retired widower who'd had a happy marriage

Re Revd Collins in Pride and prejudice, honestly, the situation for women back then could be dire, Keep single and look after your parents and you probably end up a governess or a poor old woman, unless there was family money. if your marriage broke down because of cruelty or whatever, and you did manage to get divorced,, which you couldn't do really unless you were rich and he'd been an absolute bastard, you had no right to see your children. If your husband was pleasant and respectable and had enough money, you could very well fall in love with him. With the poorer class of people if your spouse died, or your child was illegitimate, if you were a woman with children, then you looked probably for a man in a similar situation to you, he needed someone to look after his children and you didn't want to loose your children by being in the workhouse. If he was known to you and you knew that he had been a good husband, wasn't violent or drunk then it really was a no brainer. I know from my own family that not all love matches turned out happily
Marriage is a financial arrangement at it's heart, the phrase 'to have and to hold' also was used in land contracts, when I saw that in an old land deed that someone had up on their wall, it really brought it home to me
Who thinks it wrong that someone like Ken Dodd only married his partner of 40 years, basically on his deathbed, so that she would be able to inherit and to reduce his tax bill, what if he had a fatal heart attack rather than a slow illness leading to death, would he have married her had they had children, who knows.

tttigress · 04/10/2021 18:00

I think a lot of won't that go down this route are able the delude themselves that they aren't doing it for the money.

DrSbaitso · 04/10/2021 20:52

This thread inspired me to read Down the Rabbit Hole by Holly Madison, one of Hefner's live-in girlfriends at the Playboy mansion and the chief girlfriend for a few years.

It's sobering, terrifying stuff, and interesting how little wealth itself actually had to do with it (the girls didn't get much).

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