Cultural appropriation...how bad is it?

[malificent7]

So Rhianna is under fire for braiding white model's hair. What if a black model wanted to straighten and bleach her hair?
I love african wax print fabric but don't want to be accused of cultural appropriation if i wear a bit of it. I also own sari fabric clothes.

Aibu to ask mn who may or may not be from different ethnic backgrounds would they consider Rhianna or my behaviour inappropriate and what constitutes real cultural appropriation?

This is not a racist thread as dd is mixed race.

@beastlyslumber

Not the same as in different languages the same in that the inpact of cultural appropriation.

I cant work out if you are generally not getting it or you are being deliberately difficult and oppressive

@novemberwitch

So where are the courses that teach this avolved english? I havent seenna course where they specifically teach broken English

[quote Covidworries]@beastlyslumber

Not the same as in different languages the same in that the inpact of cultural appropriation.

I cant work out if you are generally not getting it or you are being deliberately difficult and oppressive[/quote]
I was joking about the fact that you don't get it.

@beastlyslumber

Did you read the link? Are they wrong too?

No I didn't read the link. It's okay though, I've definitely got a handle on your point of view. I could probably write your responses for you by this point.

Ok then so despite not reading the link, despite everything ive said. Despite you not being part of this minority group.

You can feel able to decide that we dont have a voice, that we dont deserve respect. That we can be oppressed and marjanlised because you know better than those with lived experience.

@beastlyslumber

I don't think anyone should be told what way they can dress or wear their hair based on the colour of their skin. Even if their skin is white.

I did read the link and I don't see it's relevance to the learning disabled community using Makaton.
The learning disabled community are not operating from a position of social power and neither are their carers.

If this community wishes to use any simplified language regardless of where the parent language originated from I cannot see that this is cultural appropriation. There simply isn't the power balance to make this possible.

I understand that Covidworries believes that the learning disability community should be using unadulterated bsl but I simply don't think that this is something that anyone from another community should be forcing on them.

People with learning disabilities and their carers get to make very few choices in their lives it is profoundly disrespectful to rubbish their choice of communication and try and insist on something else just because it works better for another community.

@Covidworries

Ok then so despite not reading the link, despite everything ive said. Despite you not being part of this minority group.

You can feel able to decide that we dont have a voice, that we dont deserve respect. That we can be oppressed and marjanlised because you know better than those with lived experience.

@beastlyslumber

Stop being silly. I didn't decide any of those things.

But im not rubbishing their langauge skills. They are communicating the wat the communicate. They arent cultral appropration. They are as much a victim here as us.

As someone posted before we accept all forms of english amd if someone English is bad we accept this and dont punish them for their lilitations of language. BUT we dont deliberately teach them broken and incorrect English. We teach them simple English tailored to their needs.

BSL is the same but someone decided to create a broken and incorrect version of it for their own gain. Where the BSL could havr and should have been used. Enpowering and tapping into the expertise of those who know the language best. This would also ensure that those most needing visual support would have got the best and aimed/tailored to their needs.

Why would you want those needing sign not to have the best level of support. Would you like wheelchair users to only have no workingtyres on their chairs if they could have working ones.

Baby sign is mentioned in link too and this is the same. If you want your baby to learn sign (so many benefits) why woyld yoy want them to learn the wrong signs when they can learn thw right ones and get far greater advantage

@beastlyslumber

You have literally told me i am wrong so you have squashed my voice and told me my experiences and life is nit relevent

@beastlyslumber
I know its hard for you to admit you didnt know or understand without losing face but i hope you will at least think about it with an open mind

No I think you are boring and obnoxious because you have banged on and on and on making the same points over and over again and now I'm finding you even more obnoxious for trying to position yourself as some kind of victim.

I expressed my opinion to you about the whole makaton thing pages ago, and then invited you to 'agree to disagree' when it became clear that you were just going to keep making the same points over and over again and ignoring any counterpoints. Especially when your point is really only tangentially related to the actual topic of the thread. I'm not interested in having the same conversation over and over again.

[quote Covidworries]@beastlyslumber

You have literally told me i am wrong so you have squashed my voice and told me my experiences and life is nit relevent[/quote]
No I haven't.

I taught my dc the makaton signs I had been taught when working with people who had a learning disability.
My dc and I could communicate using them and they could follow Mr Tumble. Enough people use Makaton that it has its own integrity as a communication method.
It was a very positive level of support for my dc.
It was a very positive level of support for the people with learning disabilities I worked with.

Perhaps decades ago it shouldn't have been invented but it was.
It has been used for decades in the learning disability community and is successful at what it set out to do.
It has its own forward momentum, in the way Romance languages evolved.

That doesn't mean that other communication methods like bsl couldn't have been used, or adapted in way that you would consider suitable. But language of all things isn't a static dead thing, it constantly evolving.

Makaton with its use of signs and English has been a very successful bridging tool between the learning disabled community and the English speaking mainstream.

I completely accept the bsl is a full immersive cultural experience for people in the deaf community.
The thing I struggle with is the idea that other communities aren't able to choose the communication methods that best support them, that somehow people in other communities know what is best for them.

@beastlyslumber

Then hide the thread if its bothering you. But im entitled to discuss cultrual appropriation on a thread about cultural appropriation.

You deny it exisits. Im trying to educte you but you clearly dont want to know. It may seem like banging on about same points but if people arent understanding you try different ways to help them comprehend.

It's not the thread that's bothering me.

@beastlyslumber

Do you not think cultural appropriation is a thing at all? Or just BSL/deaf cultural appropriation isnt a thing?

@ducksalive

Thank you, I appriciate you for taking on board that makaton shouldnt have appropriated BSL. It means alot when someone is able to reconise others perspectives even if they dont fully agree/understand that perspective.

Here is a different link for anyone who is interested in learning about cultural appropriation.

It is via facebook and is in both French and English

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10227798799814114&id=1193005857&sfnsn=scwspmo