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H and prostitutes

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Ihatevegetables · 01/10/2021 18:14

I want to start this by saying it is probably going to be a long thread, so thank you to those who bear with me and read the whole thing.

My H has always had a strange relationship with sex. We have been together 9 years (no kids) and our sex life has never been what I hoped it would be. The sex is great when we actually do it, however H very rarely initiates and when I initiate, he often says he is too tired. We have gone months at a time without having sex. Over the years I have tried initating myself, calmly explaining to H how important sex is in a marriage and how it makes me insecure and crying and saying that this issue could end our marriage. He always agrees and promises to make more of an effort but after a week or so it goes back to normal.
H is honestly the best husband you could ask for. He has supported me financially and emotionally for 8 years, often to his own detriment, and has continually supported me with my own mental health issues. I have not been an easy person to be with at times. He puts me first in every single way, never gets angry, and truly loves me. I have no doubt of this. He has always been the 'perfect' one, whether it's as a husband, friend or family member. He is a genuinely nice man. However, he had a very fractured childhood and is his own harshest critic, he cannot tolerate himself being anything less than perfect. A few years ago we had just stopped doing long distance and I saw a message on his phone to a friend of his (sent during our time apart) that said he had brought two women back to his flat after a night out. I hit the roof and his explanation was that he had been trying to fit in with a 'laddish' group of friends he had made and had sent the message drunkenly, with no truth to it. I believed him as I do see that he constantly strives to fit in.
Fast forward to last night. We had friends round for drinks and something one of them said (nothing to do with women) raised alarm bells. It strongly implied he had lied about something in order to impress them. This has happened once before and I let it go, however something just didn't sit right and (I'm ashamed to admit) I looked at his phone when he was sleeping. I found numerous whatsapp messages to prostitute hotlines (we live in a country where this is sadly accessable) basically asking for sexual services. In some of the messages he has bartered the price, stated that he would like a discount as he 'had this one before' and has asked for photos of the different women to be sent to him. There are also messages saying he is 'ten minutes away' and asking for their location etc. He lost his wedding ring on a night out about six weeks ago and I saw one message saying that he thinks he left his grandfathers ring at the location the night before and could they please check. I was absolutely heartbroken and confronted him. He completely broke down and eventually explained everything. He found this mortifying as it was a crack in his 'perfect' facade. He said that he sends these messages to different companies when he is very drunk as he is seeking a thrill. When I asked him about why he would need directions etc and why he had asked about his wedding ring, for the former he said that they only send pictures if you confirm you are on your way and for the latter he said that he had panicked the next morning and messaged everyone, including the friends he had been out with, without thinking. He said that he has always had an issue with sex and he is very much 'in his own head', I know this is true and knowing him for 9 years, I can genuinely believe that this is a fantasy he is acting out instead of something he would act on. He was absolutely adamant that he has never actually slept with or met any of these women and never would.

I feel oddly calm, and part of me was almost relieved that this man I had felt for years was too good for me, also had flaws. I am a naturally very suspicious person but I do genuinely believe that he hasnt acted on these fantasies. What I can't get my head around is that our lack of sex over the years has really dented my confidence and caused (the only) major issue in our marriage. I also have spent years thinking he is perfect and too good for me and been completely open with him about my own flaws, and I feel like this has been a lie.

Am I crazy for believing him? If I choose to believe that this is all a fantasy, would anyone else view this as being a flaw that they are willing to overlook (provided it never happens again,) and deem it not that big a deal? I don't know how to feel except that I overreacted, as he is saying that as he never did and never would act on it, it's just a stupid thing he does when very drunk. He also says that he is so ashamed of himself that no matter how angry I am at him, he will always hate himself more. I told him that I forgave him and that we can move on, however he said it didnt matter if I forgave him, he could never forgive himself and I do believe this (ties into him being his own harshest critic).

I'm sorry for this long post, but I feel very confused and I really need some perspective on this. I have certainly made mistakes over the years, like developing a crush on a work colleague (I never acted on it and I think it was due to the lack of sexual attention from H) however I have never cheated on H.

OP posts:
winterchills · 01/10/2021 21:57

Another one to agree that I think he's not telling the truth

Blueblue333 · 01/10/2021 22:15

I’m so sorry OP, what a head fuck this must be - your life has been turned upside down, no wonder you can’t work out what is the truth

You have read the consensus here and I agree - he is not telling the truth. Your message reminded me when I caught a lying narcissist in the act, off guard, red handed, absolutely nowhere to go

I was the unaware, but suspicious other woman, and despite me thinking something was off, I was so shocked I was reduced to an observer in the aftermath. Amazingly it took maybe 90 seconds in the craziness for him to begin to minimise his actions and turn the tables on everyone there. It was quite impressive to watch, you could see the hurt and disbelief in his poor wife’s face turn to confusion and then her begin to rationalise his actions. His explanation was so flimsy I couldn’t believe he was saying the words or that they were being considered as the truth. I think reality was just too big and terrible to comprehend that these crazy reasons were more acceptable.

His wife contacted me the day after and explained how he was such a great guy, a loyal family man, had such a tough year and was more angry and disappointed in himself than we could ever be. He said he was having a breakdown which was the reason for the whole thing. He had clearly spent his time altering everything to fit his victim narrative

This poor woman she was either too far embroiled in his shit or didn’t want to see how the ‘good’ version of him could tally with the shitshow I briefly unearthed - maybe both.

Everyone is telling you to leave and I think that is good advice but only you know what you’re prepared to do. I spent a long time missing this man, the ‘good’ parts, (he had been supportive, loving and fun) even though I knew he was a self serving bastard. It was time away from him and the situation that helped me see what had really been happening, all the red flags I had ignored.

You may have feelings like this too so if you can’t bring yourself to decide and say it’s over forever right now, at least give yourself some space - mental and physical if possible. Time away from any manipulative ‘sadness’ and self flagellation. Let your brain and your heart really see and think past this initial shock and to what you deep down probably know from asking your question here

Sending you love OP - I hope you can find the strength in yourself to deal with this nightmare in the best way for your future. Believe you are worth more than this xxx

mintandlime · 01/10/2021 22:36

Can I ask why you hate yourself so much to believe this nonsense.

Fucking bin him off let him be a desperate twat to prostitutes and work on your self esteem.

You deserve a real man, not this narcissistic lunatic

Pinkspecs · 01/10/2021 22:53

I agree with PP, OP you don't sound like you care for yourself very much.
This man isn't who you think he is, he isn't genuine.
He is a complete liar and I think you know this deep down.
Ditch him, get yourself checked out and start some self care.
You deserve more.

Saoirse82 · 01/10/2021 23:11

He's lying OP, I'm so sorry. You deserve better Flowers

TheGoogleMum · 01/10/2021 23:13

YABU. LTB. He's probably too scared to do with you what he really wants sexually so he uses the prostitutes

dogsrock15 · 01/10/2021 23:19

I think you probably know deep down that he is lying. whether you choose to believe him and just carry on and forget about it is up to you.

DrSbaitso · 01/10/2021 23:22

H is honestly the best husband you could ask for.

Why do women say this about men like this? Do they actually believe it or do they just think they should?

HeechulOppa · 01/10/2021 23:24

Oh sweetheart, he’s been gaslighting you for a long long time.

Alvinne · 01/10/2021 23:34

OP hope you are OK. I think he is almost certainly not the person you thought he was and know this is devastating. One thing you could do is look at his Google maps location history/timeline if he hasn't deleted it. Seeing a bit more poof to yourself might help x

lynntheyresexpeople · 01/10/2021 23:47

He's said in the messages to the agency that he's slept with one of them before!! They could easily check that - why would he lie to the agency knowing it would be obvious if he hadn't seen that prostitute before?
He's lost the ring when with one as well.
Sorry op, but he's absolutely 💯 lying. I think you know that deep down. He wouldn't have sent the message saying he'd "had that one before" if he hadn't.
Get yourself an sti check, and get rid of this man. He's not perfect, he's not a good man. Good men don't exploit women and pay for sex and devastate their partners. You can do a million times better, know your worth Thanks

youvegottenminuteslynn · 01/10/2021 23:52

Good men don't exploit women and pay for sex and devastate their partners.

This in spades.

Yoursaintlyglowofconcern · 01/10/2021 23:54

Why do women say this about men like this? Do they actually believe it or do they just think they should?

Most people have a nice side. Hitler was affectionate with his dogs.

Ledition · 02/10/2021 00:01

There's not a woman in the land who would see this as "not a big deal" even if he's telling the truth (he's not) it would still be game over for any woman with any measure of self esteem. He's ground you down OP so you can't see that you deserve much, much better than this. I'm so sorry Flowers

MurielSpriggs · 02/10/2021 00:02

Hi @Ihatevegetables,

Trust your gut.

savethatkitty01 · 02/10/2021 00:05

What a horrible way to discover the last 9 years have been a lie. As everyone else has said, he is lying. He's been seeing prostitutes all along. He doesn't love you the way you think he does. Although I think deep down you already knew.

MsDogLady · 02/10/2021 00:21

I am very sorry, OP. Your H is NOT the best husband you could ask for. Behind his smile is massive deception.

Your sex life ‘has never been what you hoped’ because H’s priority is having sex with other women, primarily prostitutes. He has lied and conned you for years with his ‘perfect’ facade. He certainly feels entitled to purchase and haggle over the prices of women’s bodies.

This narcissistic misogynist has treated all of you as objects/ego supply meant to serve his wants and needs. He is manipulating you now to keep you in line, and is taking you for a fool by expecting you to believe his preposterous lies. Please wake up and walk away.

Peach01 · 02/10/2021 00:38

I wouldn't believe him.

prostitute hotlines. basically asking for sexual services. In some of the messages he has bartered the price, stated that he would like a discount as he 'had this one before' and has asked for photos of the different women to be sent to him. There are also messages saying he is 'ten minutes away' and asking for their location etc.
Look at everything you've written here. That's more than enough evidence.

I can genuinely believe that this is a fantasy he is acting out instead of something he would act on.
What is his fantasy, whatsapp?

He isn't initiating sex with you, it's a major problem in your relationship and has affected your self esteem. When you initiate he's too tired. You've seen on his phone that he's initiating sex with prostitutes and you also know that he's lied about other things. He evidently did go to these places if he lost a ring there. You're not overreacting. There shouldn't be any hint of sex with anyone other than you.

OhWhyNot · 02/10/2021 00:39

I think you are in shock and so desperately want to believe him it’s not unusual to deny the obvious as it’s so painful

Things will start falling into place soon,the times he was late, couldn’t get hold of him, the time he seemed distant the times he seemed vague of his plans

I hope you have lots of support around you Flowers

happydays33 · 02/10/2021 01:13

I'm so sorry that you are going through this, but the bigger picture is that he is using women probably against their will, most woman in this situation are victims, and he is using and abusing them....
he isn't the perfect man you seem to think he is.

happydays33 · 02/10/2021 01:15

Meant all women are victims

MeanWeedratStew · 02/10/2021 01:29

Oh, you poor love. Of course he's lying. He has wasted nine years of your life. I really hope you chuck him and take the rest of your life back.

Balonzette · 02/10/2021 02:40

Op, I'm so sorry, but as I read this (before you asked "Am I crazy for believing him?") all that was going through my head is, "She is CRAZY for believing him!!!"

GiantHaystacks2021 · 02/10/2021 02:43

Yes, you're mad to believe him.
Bet you'll stay with him though........

starrynight21 · 02/10/2021 03:31

He probably divides women into two categories - prostitutes who men can have sexy fun with, and saints who men marry. For some men, the two groups are kept separate , and sex with a saint is not possible. That might explain why he treats you really well but doesn't want to have sex with you.

I wouldn't believe his lies at all.

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