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H and prostitutes

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Ihatevegetables · 01/10/2021 18:14

I want to start this by saying it is probably going to be a long thread, so thank you to those who bear with me and read the whole thing.

My H has always had a strange relationship with sex. We have been together 9 years (no kids) and our sex life has never been what I hoped it would be. The sex is great when we actually do it, however H very rarely initiates and when I initiate, he often says he is too tired. We have gone months at a time without having sex. Over the years I have tried initating myself, calmly explaining to H how important sex is in a marriage and how it makes me insecure and crying and saying that this issue could end our marriage. He always agrees and promises to make more of an effort but after a week or so it goes back to normal.
H is honestly the best husband you could ask for. He has supported me financially and emotionally for 8 years, often to his own detriment, and has continually supported me with my own mental health issues. I have not been an easy person to be with at times. He puts me first in every single way, never gets angry, and truly loves me. I have no doubt of this. He has always been the 'perfect' one, whether it's as a husband, friend or family member. He is a genuinely nice man. However, he had a very fractured childhood and is his own harshest critic, he cannot tolerate himself being anything less than perfect. A few years ago we had just stopped doing long distance and I saw a message on his phone to a friend of his (sent during our time apart) that said he had brought two women back to his flat after a night out. I hit the roof and his explanation was that he had been trying to fit in with a 'laddish' group of friends he had made and had sent the message drunkenly, with no truth to it. I believed him as I do see that he constantly strives to fit in.
Fast forward to last night. We had friends round for drinks and something one of them said (nothing to do with women) raised alarm bells. It strongly implied he had lied about something in order to impress them. This has happened once before and I let it go, however something just didn't sit right and (I'm ashamed to admit) I looked at his phone when he was sleeping. I found numerous whatsapp messages to prostitute hotlines (we live in a country where this is sadly accessable) basically asking for sexual services. In some of the messages he has bartered the price, stated that he would like a discount as he 'had this one before' and has asked for photos of the different women to be sent to him. There are also messages saying he is 'ten minutes away' and asking for their location etc. He lost his wedding ring on a night out about six weeks ago and I saw one message saying that he thinks he left his grandfathers ring at the location the night before and could they please check. I was absolutely heartbroken and confronted him. He completely broke down and eventually explained everything. He found this mortifying as it was a crack in his 'perfect' facade. He said that he sends these messages to different companies when he is very drunk as he is seeking a thrill. When I asked him about why he would need directions etc and why he had asked about his wedding ring, for the former he said that they only send pictures if you confirm you are on your way and for the latter he said that he had panicked the next morning and messaged everyone, including the friends he had been out with, without thinking. He said that he has always had an issue with sex and he is very much 'in his own head', I know this is true and knowing him for 9 years, I can genuinely believe that this is a fantasy he is acting out instead of something he would act on. He was absolutely adamant that he has never actually slept with or met any of these women and never would.

I feel oddly calm, and part of me was almost relieved that this man I had felt for years was too good for me, also had flaws. I am a naturally very suspicious person but I do genuinely believe that he hasnt acted on these fantasies. What I can't get my head around is that our lack of sex over the years has really dented my confidence and caused (the only) major issue in our marriage. I also have spent years thinking he is perfect and too good for me and been completely open with him about my own flaws, and I feel like this has been a lie.

Am I crazy for believing him? If I choose to believe that this is all a fantasy, would anyone else view this as being a flaw that they are willing to overlook (provided it never happens again,) and deem it not that big a deal? I don't know how to feel except that I overreacted, as he is saying that as he never did and never would act on it, it's just a stupid thing he does when very drunk. He also says that he is so ashamed of himself that no matter how angry I am at him, he will always hate himself more. I told him that I forgave him and that we can move on, however he said it didnt matter if I forgave him, he could never forgive himself and I do believe this (ties into him being his own harshest critic).

I'm sorry for this long post, but I feel very confused and I really need some perspective on this. I have certainly made mistakes over the years, like developing a crush on a work colleague (I never acted on it and I think it was due to the lack of sexual attention from H) however I have never cheated on H.

OP posts:
pompomsgalore · 01/10/2021 19:45

He's absolutely lying and as much as you want to believe him I think we all know he's been sleeping with prostitutes. Please get an std test ASAP.

HoboSexualOnslow · 01/10/2021 19:48

So not only does he use and enjoy sex workers, he tries to barter on price??? Misogynist scumbag. He is lying.

fruitbrewhaha · 01/10/2021 19:50

Oh god of course he's lying. It's all so fucked up.

Bananarama21 · 01/10/2021 19:51

You sound naive of course he's shagging prostitutes.

Still1nLove · 01/10/2021 19:51

He has been seeing prostitutes. His messages say he has.

Watchingyou2sleezes · 01/10/2021 19:52

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Usernamenotavailabletryanother · 01/10/2021 19:52

“ He also says that he is so ashamed of himself that no matter how angry I am at him, he will always hate himself more”

That’s quite a manipulative way to stop your justified anger in it’s tracks, isn’t it Hmm

absolutelynotcalm · 01/10/2021 19:55

Yep blatant lying and trying to take you for a fool

Clementine183 · 01/10/2021 19:55

I usually read these kinds of threads and think that people are piling on somewhat unfairly when there's no definitive proof, but in this instance even I can see a mile off that he's lying. I'm sorry, but his story just doesn't add up. Of course he's denying it, he wants to minimise it as much as he can and if you hadn't seen what you have then he'd be denying that too.

With the ring thing in particular... Ok if it was a generic message saying "I've lost my ring, have you seen it?" then I could just about buy the possibility that he'd just sent that to everyone in his recent contacts in a panic (though it's v unlikely), but asking if you've "left a ring at the location and could they please check" is not the sort of thing you message by accident. Deep down I think you know this but don't want to face up to it, and I don't blame you because it's horrible, but sooner or later you will have to I think.

Penistoe · 01/10/2021 19:59

His lies are not even good ones. You just want to believe him so badly you cannot see it or simply refusing too. Logically if he tried to barter a price because he had ‘done this one before’ why wasn’t the response ‘sorry I don’t know who you are’. If he messaged everyone that the ring was missing why did he say ‘grandfathers ring’ not ‘my wedding ring’. If it was a fantasy why didn’t the response say ‘who are you what are you on about ring’.

I’m sorry op.

WizardOfAus · 01/10/2021 19:59

He supported you though MH issues? I’d put money on him being the root for most of your struggles.

Exactly.

You said yourself the lack of sex in your marriage took a huge toll on you and your confidence.

HE has caused your mental health issues.

The sooner you get away from this lying sack of shit, the better.

He is abusing you. And he has abused those poor vulnerable women.

His friends are also revolting. They were practically laughing at you and brought up the topic in a roundabout way to make you feel insecure.

Cocomarine · 01/10/2021 19:59

@Watchingyou2sleezes please don’t use the word “whores”.
Prostitutes is factual, sex workers is often the preferred term. Victims of abuse is often accurate.
I’ve been in the OP’s position and I never saw the need to denigrate the women for my husband’s disgraceful behaviour.

VenusTiger · 01/10/2021 19:59

Imo, if you're still getting "really drunk" when you're supposedly happily married or in a place where you're settled, it really tells me that you are trying to escape something, be it work, life in general, stresses etc. so why is he still getting really drunk OP - what's his problem?

Queenoftheashes · 01/10/2021 19:59

Of course he’s lying and yes he is so manipulative to claim he hates himself more than you do. Don’t feel bad for him. He's disgusting.

Branleuse · 01/10/2021 20:00

please get tested for STDs. Your husband is fake. Hes lying to you, hes cheating on you and he cant even sexually fulfil you. Hes putting you at risk and can lie to you with a straight face.
I hope you can raise your standards because hes made a mug of you

Stompythedinosaur · 01/10/2021 20:03

Of course he is lying!

I know how easy it is to believe something when you really wish it was true, but think what you would say to a lose friend who was in this situation.

WizardOfAus · 01/10/2021 20:05

@Watchingyou2sleezes

There maybe some truth in it all. A lot of bloke's sniff around the periphery of whores for years before taking the plunge.

You've been offering it up all over and he's often declined, that suggests to me that he's not that rampant otherwise he'd just do it for the hell of it whether he was bothered or not.

I'm not seeing it but if he is banging the whores and not also sniffing around you like a fly on shit...
He might not be into you at all and married you for over reasons. Maybe he has a white knight syndrome thing going on as it appears he's carried you your entire married life. Maybe he gets off on being the model husband...

This is the worst “advice” I’ve ever read on Mumsnet.

And please don’t call sex workers “whores”.

You sound utterly repulsive.

Briarshollow · 01/10/2021 20:06

I’m so sorry but if you believe this absolute crock of shite then you deserve everything you get. And you may well get something. This is vile.

ittakes2 · 01/10/2021 20:09

I am so sorry. Sometimes women post and you can see the two sides of the story - but I don't think I have ever read so much evidence from one woman about her husband cheating. Surely the fact your sex live has issues and the missing wedding ring episode must tip you over the edge to accept he is lying? You trusted him so much he never even attempted to delete his messages knowing full well you believed in him. Lots of us have mental health issues - please don't think you deserve less because he has been considerate of your's.

HollowTalk · 01/10/2021 20:10

I agree with everyone else, but one thing stands out - does he have access to a lot of cash? Can you look on your/his online banking for cash withdrawals?

VenusTiger · 01/10/2021 20:11

@RandomMess

He doesn't have much sec with you because he prefers what he does with the prostitutes he uses.
This. OP, he obviously can't get turned on with you anymore - think about it - what he can do with a complying prostitute vs. what he can do with his wife is likely VERY different, so he doesn't bother with you at all now.

He is definitely shagging prostitutes.

You don't send a message to ALL your What'sApp contacts either!!! If I did that, I'd be contacting a plumber, plasterer, and oven cleaner - in other words, ppl you don't see often, or whose houses you've never visited - it makes no sense, therefore it's a complete lie.

He's made you feel as though he's hard on himself, to get you to think that he is his own judge and that you'll never need to be hard on him ever, as he makes up for that himself - he's manipulated you OP - he's made himself Tefal.

Time to blag him - tell him you've spoken to the place where he shags prostitutes and they've confiirmed all his attendances, times, dates and description of him - then chuck him out.

specialsauce · 01/10/2021 20:12

It must be devastating for you to read all these responses OP. I was in denial for years about an ex's secret goings on and just didnt want to face the upheaval, shame and anguish of going through a break-up. I did though. A friend told me plain and simple it was the end. It was. I ended it, I practised self care, I slowly healed and it was the best thing I ever did. Dont enable this lie and perpetuate your own suffering. Be free. You'll be glad one day soon. Look after yourself.

Blackkoala · 01/10/2021 20:13

I’m so sorry but I really think he is lying. He sounds like a very good manipulator who has come up with the most plausible lie he can manage under the circumstances. The messages about directions etc are too suspicious.

And to be honest, even if he is telling the truth - it’s still awful. He’s still ignoring your sexual needs to have his fulfilled away from home. He’s still treating you abominably.

You truly, truly deserve better than this.

Franklyfrost · 01/10/2021 20:13

Yes you’re crazy for believing him. Even more crazy for still singing his praises and saying what hard work you are.

Wineandroses3 · 01/10/2021 20:17

He is 100 percent lying to you, he goes with prostitutes. I hope you find the strength to move on but please don’t believe his lies.