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H and prostitutes

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Ihatevegetables · 01/10/2021 18:14

I want to start this by saying it is probably going to be a long thread, so thank you to those who bear with me and read the whole thing.

My H has always had a strange relationship with sex. We have been together 9 years (no kids) and our sex life has never been what I hoped it would be. The sex is great when we actually do it, however H very rarely initiates and when I initiate, he often says he is too tired. We have gone months at a time without having sex. Over the years I have tried initating myself, calmly explaining to H how important sex is in a marriage and how it makes me insecure and crying and saying that this issue could end our marriage. He always agrees and promises to make more of an effort but after a week or so it goes back to normal.
H is honestly the best husband you could ask for. He has supported me financially and emotionally for 8 years, often to his own detriment, and has continually supported me with my own mental health issues. I have not been an easy person to be with at times. He puts me first in every single way, never gets angry, and truly loves me. I have no doubt of this. He has always been the 'perfect' one, whether it's as a husband, friend or family member. He is a genuinely nice man. However, he had a very fractured childhood and is his own harshest critic, he cannot tolerate himself being anything less than perfect. A few years ago we had just stopped doing long distance and I saw a message on his phone to a friend of his (sent during our time apart) that said he had brought two women back to his flat after a night out. I hit the roof and his explanation was that he had been trying to fit in with a 'laddish' group of friends he had made and had sent the message drunkenly, with no truth to it. I believed him as I do see that he constantly strives to fit in.
Fast forward to last night. We had friends round for drinks and something one of them said (nothing to do with women) raised alarm bells. It strongly implied he had lied about something in order to impress them. This has happened once before and I let it go, however something just didn't sit right and (I'm ashamed to admit) I looked at his phone when he was sleeping. I found numerous whatsapp messages to prostitute hotlines (we live in a country where this is sadly accessable) basically asking for sexual services. In some of the messages he has bartered the price, stated that he would like a discount as he 'had this one before' and has asked for photos of the different women to be sent to him. There are also messages saying he is 'ten minutes away' and asking for their location etc. He lost his wedding ring on a night out about six weeks ago and I saw one message saying that he thinks he left his grandfathers ring at the location the night before and could they please check. I was absolutely heartbroken and confronted him. He completely broke down and eventually explained everything. He found this mortifying as it was a crack in his 'perfect' facade. He said that he sends these messages to different companies when he is very drunk as he is seeking a thrill. When I asked him about why he would need directions etc and why he had asked about his wedding ring, for the former he said that they only send pictures if you confirm you are on your way and for the latter he said that he had panicked the next morning and messaged everyone, including the friends he had been out with, without thinking. He said that he has always had an issue with sex and he is very much 'in his own head', I know this is true and knowing him for 9 years, I can genuinely believe that this is a fantasy he is acting out instead of something he would act on. He was absolutely adamant that he has never actually slept with or met any of these women and never would.

I feel oddly calm, and part of me was almost relieved that this man I had felt for years was too good for me, also had flaws. I am a naturally very suspicious person but I do genuinely believe that he hasnt acted on these fantasies. What I can't get my head around is that our lack of sex over the years has really dented my confidence and caused (the only) major issue in our marriage. I also have spent years thinking he is perfect and too good for me and been completely open with him about my own flaws, and I feel like this has been a lie.

Am I crazy for believing him? If I choose to believe that this is all a fantasy, would anyone else view this as being a flaw that they are willing to overlook (provided it never happens again,) and deem it not that big a deal? I don't know how to feel except that I overreacted, as he is saying that as he never did and never would act on it, it's just a stupid thing he does when very drunk. He also says that he is so ashamed of himself that no matter how angry I am at him, he will always hate himself more. I told him that I forgave him and that we can move on, however he said it didnt matter if I forgave him, he could never forgive himself and I do believe this (ties into him being his own harshest critic).

I'm sorry for this long post, but I feel very confused and I really need some perspective on this. I have certainly made mistakes over the years, like developing a crush on a work colleague (I never acted on it and I think it was due to the lack of sexual attention from H) however I have never cheated on H.

OP posts:
JaniceBattersby · 01/10/2021 20:18

Where are all the messages from the prostitutes asking why he didn’t show up to the ‘appointments’?

Cocomarine · 01/10/2021 20:19

@HollowTalk

I agree with everyone else, but one thing stands out - does he have access to a lot of cash? Can you look on your/his online banking for cash withdrawals?
I wouldn’t recommend this. I posted up thread that my ex husband also used prostitutes. It was a really important moment to move forward for me when I realised that I didn’t need evidence. There’s no court of law to convince here. OP knows (deep down!) what he’s done.

Any evidence she finds, will just result in more bullshit excuses from him. “Yeah, I take £100 out every week and give it to the homeless guy by the station.”

What, you saw me giving it to a woman in a short skirt on the street known as our local red light distract? “Honey, I know it looks bad. I did lie about the homeless guy cos I know the truth looks so bad. The truth is… I give it to prostitutes because I’m ashamed that I look, and I only look, remember - when it’s awful what they go through. I kind of appease my guilt by giving it so they don’t have to have sex with a man that night.”

There is NO evidence these men won’t come up with crap lies for. And when they really can’t deny it… only went through with it once, believe me I hate myself more than you hate me. Etc.

I actually felt that I’d demeaned myself by playing detective.

When I finally ended my marriage, he started with, “I know it looks bad, I never actually…”
and finally I said - and felt - it doesn’t matter what you say, what evidence there is or isn’t. This is enough (“just looking”) for me to be allowed to say - I’m out.

OP won’t find a more damning piece of evidence in a bank account than she will in that ring message. She just needs time to get her head around it.

Peoniesandpeaches · 01/10/2021 20:20

I’ve worked in projects for sex workers and it is absolutely not the case that they would only send pictures if the person said they were on their way. The pictures are to ensure the man knows what he is “purchasing” up front and is less likely to haggle or attack them for not being his fantasy

Cocomarine · 01/10/2021 20:21

Also, on cash withdrawals… prostitutes do take online card payments! There are platforms for this, like Adultwork. And even if you match a transaction on his account (surprisingly, it doesn’t show as “Adultwork”) he’ll still pull the, “I paid but never went” line.

Cocomarine · 01/10/2021 20:22

@Peoniesandpeaches “attack” SadAngry
Thank you for the work you do.

Herewegoagain84 · 01/10/2021 20:25

Oh come on, of course he’s lying!! And also clearly has psychopathic tendencies if he thinks he can gaslight you with absolutely no conscience.

BeenHereForAges · 01/10/2021 20:26

Come on OP. Hes clearly getting his kicks from prostitution. Start putting yourself first and get tested.

Blondiney · 01/10/2021 20:31

He's lying. I'm sorry.

theSunday · 01/10/2021 20:33

It sounds like he has been acting on this, sorry. Trying to retrieve a ring and all that sounds like he’s got some experience in this. So sorry. You two have something to work through together.

What makes you think he didn’t?

forthelaughs · 01/10/2021 20:33

@dreamingbohemian

OP you sound like a very nice person but you would be absolutely insane to believe him, I'm sorry

No one accidentally whatsapps a prostitute they never saw and asks them to look for his wedding ring, come on

Literally lol. It's one thing to claim that you message prostitute services due to some sort of fantasy but why would you message a place you've never been regarding an item you've lost? That makes zero sense.

I can imagine you may be in denial or willingly choosing to be naive but unfortunately the story just doesn't add up. Especially with you guys hardly having a sex life during your relationship

GatoradeMeBitch · 01/10/2021 20:34

I'm surprised he even managed to scrape together a lie about the wedding ring. I like looking at photos of my favourite actor on his instagram page. But if I lost something I wouldn't DM him and ask if he had seen it. And that's not far from what he's suggesting here. You would not message someone you had never met to ask if they had seen your ring.

Did he let you look through his phone to check if he had sent that ring message to everyone?

Balonziaga · 01/10/2021 20:42

If course he is lying. And OP, I don't think you do believe him really do you.

I think what you are really asking is, 'should I choose to believe him, do you think we can save our marriage and brush this all under the carpet?''

And the answer is no. Because

If you pretend to believe him, the respect from him is gone
The trust from you is gone
You cannot move forward because you are living a lie

And above all, his sexual wants are not going to miraculously change. He clearly coverts something darker than he can get from his wife, so he will always use prostitutes.

I rarely believe that there is no way a marriage can be fixed, but on this occasion, I can't see any way. I'm really sorry to be so blunt and sorry that you are going through this.

Neonplant · 01/10/2021 20:47

Sorry they all say they didn't meet them. It's one of the things I've learned after a few years on here. It's just the classic go to, they get a kick out of messaging blah blah. Don't believe it.

Vallmo47 · 01/10/2021 20:49

I’m sorry OP. I hope all of these replies help you come to terms with what’s actually happened to you and that you have the strength to rebuild your life without this man. Good luck.

Sn0tnose · 01/10/2021 20:55

I don’t think that there is any chance at all that he is being truthful with you. Whatever you decide to believe, I think you should make an urgent appointment at a sexual health clinic and get tested for everything up to and including HIV.

If there are messages asking women to look for his ring, (which he’s clearly taking off when he’s using them) why are there no similar messages to everyone else in his WhatsApp? If he sent it to them by accident, knowing he hadn’t even been there, then why didn’t he send it to everyone else by accident too? And why are there no replies from the women telling him to piss off and stop wasting their time?

I think that he’ll have told himself that it’s ok for him to use prostitutes because he looks after you. You don’t know about it, it’s not affecting your life in most respects. In fact, your life is better because he’s able to do this. Except he’s not looking after you because he’s a lovely man. He’s doing it to ease his guilt and because it’s important to him that people do think he’s perfect. Fuck what the women he uses think; they don’t matter. His ‘perfection’ isn’t real. It’s something he uses to disguise who he really is. You don’t know this man as well as you think you do.

QueenOfDuisburg · 01/10/2021 20:56

Sounds like lies to me.

So he lost his wedding ring but phrased the message as his 'grandfather's' ring? Odd in itself.

The ring story in general just proves it all as far as I'm concerned. Before even considering the rest.

BreatheAndFocus · 01/10/2021 20:58

I think he’s lying too. I also think he has some kind of issue with sex and/or women. It’s the latter that I find worrying. What else don’t you know?

I’d leave him personally. You can do better.

rosegoldwatcher · 01/10/2021 21:01

You posted more than two hours ago and have not returned OP.
I've read so many of these sad threads and never felt the compunction to post a reply but am taking a punt that you are genuine.

My own wedding ring would not come off without a great deal of effort on my part; if he lost his on a night out it was because he removed it. Now ask yourself, why did he feel the need to remove it? There is only one answer isn't there?

As to his messaging of the call girls, even if he is telling the truth and he was doing it as part of a 'Look at me I'm a stud' stereotyping fantasy - well, that would be enough for me to lose all faith in him and the marriage.

I am so sorry for you OP.

alligatorpeardrop · 01/10/2021 21:03

OP can you let us know that you're ok please.

Skyla2005 · 01/10/2021 21:03

He has been paying for sex for sure. He hasn't even got the balls to own up to the. The excuses he gave are laughable and pathetic. I know this is brutally honest but he does not want sex with you. That is why he is paying for it else where. Go and get yourself screened for sti and leave his sorry arse. He is not the perfect husband. He could not give you the respect to get out of the marriage and thought he could get sex elsewhere

Sidehustle99 · 01/10/2021 21:06

He's lying about the prostitutes. Also you don't need to take a wedding ring off for prostitutes so I suspect he is also picking up women while he is out. He may also be using dating sites. It's a shame you told him so quickly - I hope you managed to save some of the evidence.

I could not be with a man with such low regard for women. Worst of all he has been caught red handed and he's still lying. Next thing you know it will be your fault. Hats off to him for effort but it doesn't add up.

toocold54 · 01/10/2021 21:08

I hope you are ok OP, I know it’s a lot to deal with and I hope you’re not replying because you’re busy and not because he’s spun you some more lies that has made you feel guilty for questioning him.

I agree with every single post on here and that’s very rare for MN!
Please listen to the excellent advice from PPs.

WhatAShilohPitt · 01/10/2021 21:35

Sorry op but he’s lying. The ring left there is physical proof that he’s been in the premises of the prostitute. There’s no way he’s a fantasist that hasn’t acted this stuff out when he’s taking about repeats of services and finer details of payments etc. He’s telling you what you want to hear because he’s scared of how badly this would fuck things up and you’re desperate to believe him as the reality is too hard to bear. He is not the man you want him to be. The proof is in black and white, and you’re believing words from his mouth instead.

FatAnneTheDealer · 01/10/2021 21:41

I have a very strong tendency to take people at their words - definitely not always a good tendency - and even I think he is lying. I think he has probably been with prostitutes - maybe often during your marriage - and I think he is lying to you, and has been lying to you, and might continue to lie to you unless you both change things radically.

Nevertheless, it is clear that you love him, and that he is also committed to you, in the way he has tried (as you say) to support you in many ways through some tough times for you. It sounds like he loves you too - or tries to insofar as he is able - but for whatever reason has continued to find sex elsewhere.

Only you can decide whether the sexual betrayal - and it is likely that that is what has happened - outweighs whatever love there might be on either side.

For whatever reason it appears that although he wants these prostitutes - sexually, at least - more than he wants you, at the same time he also seems (in some sense) committed to your marriage.

It seems to me that that can be (could be) a start to a way back, if he is willing to begin to be truthful and if you are (at least for now) not yet willing to give him up.

I don’t know what marriage counselling options might be available in your own country, but with 9 years together, and such a sense of loss of trust, I think a good counsellor might be able to help - either for you to let go, or for him to understand what he wants and why, or even a way forward for you both. It isn’t impossible, and it really isn’t all easy to “Leave the bastard” however often Mumsnet readers throw out that advice. Unless there is physical violence or coercive control, I don’t think any of us can (or at least ought) to give you a definitive LTB.

Leaving bastards can be tough - leaving a man you have loved, and still (mostly) believe in, is even harder.

Any kind of counselling does have to begin with telling the truth. Until he is willing to do that, I don’t think he will get very far. It may be that the counselling helps you to move on.

EmeraldShamrock · 01/10/2021 21:47

You must be in shock.
I suspect he has had sexual contact with some of these women.
Quickie here and there.
I'm sorry. Flowers