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H and prostitutes

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Ihatevegetables · 01/10/2021 18:14

I want to start this by saying it is probably going to be a long thread, so thank you to those who bear with me and read the whole thing.

My H has always had a strange relationship with sex. We have been together 9 years (no kids) and our sex life has never been what I hoped it would be. The sex is great when we actually do it, however H very rarely initiates and when I initiate, he often says he is too tired. We have gone months at a time without having sex. Over the years I have tried initating myself, calmly explaining to H how important sex is in a marriage and how it makes me insecure and crying and saying that this issue could end our marriage. He always agrees and promises to make more of an effort but after a week or so it goes back to normal.
H is honestly the best husband you could ask for. He has supported me financially and emotionally for 8 years, often to his own detriment, and has continually supported me with my own mental health issues. I have not been an easy person to be with at times. He puts me first in every single way, never gets angry, and truly loves me. I have no doubt of this. He has always been the 'perfect' one, whether it's as a husband, friend or family member. He is a genuinely nice man. However, he had a very fractured childhood and is his own harshest critic, he cannot tolerate himself being anything less than perfect. A few years ago we had just stopped doing long distance and I saw a message on his phone to a friend of his (sent during our time apart) that said he had brought two women back to his flat after a night out. I hit the roof and his explanation was that he had been trying to fit in with a 'laddish' group of friends he had made and had sent the message drunkenly, with no truth to it. I believed him as I do see that he constantly strives to fit in.
Fast forward to last night. We had friends round for drinks and something one of them said (nothing to do with women) raised alarm bells. It strongly implied he had lied about something in order to impress them. This has happened once before and I let it go, however something just didn't sit right and (I'm ashamed to admit) I looked at his phone when he was sleeping. I found numerous whatsapp messages to prostitute hotlines (we live in a country where this is sadly accessable) basically asking for sexual services. In some of the messages he has bartered the price, stated that he would like a discount as he 'had this one before' and has asked for photos of the different women to be sent to him. There are also messages saying he is 'ten minutes away' and asking for their location etc. He lost his wedding ring on a night out about six weeks ago and I saw one message saying that he thinks he left his grandfathers ring at the location the night before and could they please check. I was absolutely heartbroken and confronted him. He completely broke down and eventually explained everything. He found this mortifying as it was a crack in his 'perfect' facade. He said that he sends these messages to different companies when he is very drunk as he is seeking a thrill. When I asked him about why he would need directions etc and why he had asked about his wedding ring, for the former he said that they only send pictures if you confirm you are on your way and for the latter he said that he had panicked the next morning and messaged everyone, including the friends he had been out with, without thinking. He said that he has always had an issue with sex and he is very much 'in his own head', I know this is true and knowing him for 9 years, I can genuinely believe that this is a fantasy he is acting out instead of something he would act on. He was absolutely adamant that he has never actually slept with or met any of these women and never would.

I feel oddly calm, and part of me was almost relieved that this man I had felt for years was too good for me, also had flaws. I am a naturally very suspicious person but I do genuinely believe that he hasnt acted on these fantasies. What I can't get my head around is that our lack of sex over the years has really dented my confidence and caused (the only) major issue in our marriage. I also have spent years thinking he is perfect and too good for me and been completely open with him about my own flaws, and I feel like this has been a lie.

Am I crazy for believing him? If I choose to believe that this is all a fantasy, would anyone else view this as being a flaw that they are willing to overlook (provided it never happens again,) and deem it not that big a deal? I don't know how to feel except that I overreacted, as he is saying that as he never did and never would act on it, it's just a stupid thing he does when very drunk. He also says that he is so ashamed of himself that no matter how angry I am at him, he will always hate himself more. I told him that I forgave him and that we can move on, however he said it didnt matter if I forgave him, he could never forgive himself and I do believe this (ties into him being his own harshest critic).

I'm sorry for this long post, but I feel very confused and I really need some perspective on this. I have certainly made mistakes over the years, like developing a crush on a work colleague (I never acted on it and I think it was due to the lack of sexual attention from H) however I have never cheated on H.

OP posts:
Ikeameatballs · 01/10/2021 19:23

@Keke94LND

He's definitely lying, why would he call your wedding ring his grandfathers ring if he was just 'messaging everybody include his friends he had been out with' ?
This.

He’s lying about everything. He always has been. He’s so far from perfect.

ReeseWitherfork · 01/10/2021 19:23

Prostitutes aside... The emotional manipulation! How has this man managed to convince you that he's too good for you?! "He is his own harshest critic" so you've ended up in a situation where you can't criticise him or question him, presumably because he sulks and whatnot at the slightest whiff of anything negative. The whole "never forgive himself" and "hates himself" is just gaslighting you IMO.

SW1amp · 01/10/2021 19:25

Does he have an iPhone?
Have you checked the ‘recently visited locations’ function?
If he isn’t tech savvy, he won’t know it’s there and won’t have wiped it

He is clearly lying to you, but at least this could help you prove it if you feel you need proof to get closure

Pinkdelight3 · 01/10/2021 19:26

Am I crazy for believing him?

Yes. Because you know he's a very, very accomplished, long-term liar.

Iflyaway · 01/10/2021 19:26

I also have spent years thinking he is perfect and too good for me

There's your problem right there. Nobody in life is perfect.

But you are perfect as YOU are. Never forget that.

hellosunshineagainx · 01/10/2021 19:27

He is definitely lying. If he has been doing this for years and you had no idea what else do you have no idea about. You probably don't truly even know this man.

Leave now whilst you have the time to restart your life.

WishingYouAMerryChristmasToo · 01/10/2021 19:27

What to you actually need to do to understand he has been having sex for years and treating women as scum as and spending YOUR money on them -do you actually need to find him penetrating one of them -in which case he will claim he slipped and fell or was just trying to make her feel better.

This is not -might be, he absolutely has been totally and it's an open secret and now you know and condone it and believe him

Deadringer · 01/10/2021 19:27

He is a seasoned liar. Ltb.

StevieNix · 01/10/2021 19:29

Op I’m sorry to say this but he is lying, how much more proof do you need - other than physically seeing him insert his penis to a woman who he is paying to have sex with him!!
The messages are more than enough proof alone, but especially the one regarding the ring, why on earth would he send that message if he had never been there. His excuse of just sending the message to everyone is laughably bad!
He is completely bullshitting you and has managed to wriggle out of it due to your blind trust on his word only- when his word (and tons of evidence!) as plain as day shows he has been seeing and having sex repeatedly with prostitutes!
I’m so sorry, this is terrible to have to realise but for your own sake you need to get your head out of the sand and see your husband for what he is.
He’s a liar, a manipulator, and think it’s ok to pay women for sex. That is not a man I would want to be married to!
Please put yourself first and leave him, you are worth more than this surely!
he has been neglecting you sexually and emotionally, leaving you crying over your lack of physical intimacy, whilst paying women for sex!!
Also please get yourself a sexual health check to make sure he hasn’t passed anything on to you.

Scbchl · 01/10/2021 19:29

Why the hell would be even text a number of a prostitute he hadn't been too asking about his ring. If that were true then why didn't they reply, fuck off you wasted my time how could your ring be here when you didn't turn up 🤔

Cottagepieandpeas · 01/10/2021 19:30

This sounds so much like my ex-partner.

He was a fantasist and a compulsive liar, but also great to be around in so many ways.
I never knew if he did meet up with the sex workers he contacted , but in the end I discovered he was having an affair with a work colleague and that’s what ended it.

In the end, does it matter if he had sex with the women? He’s betraying your trust and not caring about your feelings.

I should have left sooner than I did, I hope you have the strength to put yourself first, like he is currently doing. Flowers

SquareWindow · 01/10/2021 19:32

Sorry he has been using prostitutes. There is no way he would have that level of detail and ask about the ring if not.

Hogwarts21 · 01/10/2021 19:32

@ReeseWitherfork

Prostitutes aside... The emotional manipulation! How has this man managed to convince you that he's too good for you?! "He is his own harshest critic" so you've ended up in a situation where you can't criticise him or question him, presumably because he sulks and whatnot at the slightest whiff of anything negative. The whole "never forgive himself" and "hates himself" is just gaslighting you IMO.
This with bells on.

He's got your wrapped around his little finger.

I'm so glad you checked his phone as you can finally be free and escape him. He sounds vile. Making you question yourself and belittle yourself.

There's nothing like being ignored sexually by your partner for years and years to make you feel like a useless piece of nothing.

And he's spun you on all time, making out he's "too tired" while he's been letting loose with prostitutes.

What a cheating, trickster, lying bastard.

Having his cake and eating it, with his soothsayer words... keeping you close while he's off topping it with some lowlife. Words fail me.

He is a repulsive creep.

NewMutiny · 01/10/2021 19:35

@PizzaCrust

I agree with PPs.

It’s also disgusting that he was bartering with them. Sex work is so risky and these women are putting themselves on the line to make a living (that’s before we get into trafficking) and here’s this well off, cheating scumbag bartering them down like they’re cattle at a market.

It’s fucking vile.

Oh, and he supported you though MH issues? I’d put money on him being the root for most of your struggles. He supported you because he knew he did it to you and felt guilty about his side pieces.

I’m sorry but he’s just trash.

This. Treating prostituted women like animals. Disgusting vile man.
Closetbeanmuncher · 01/10/2021 19:36

He has a raging Madonna whore complex and is a pathological liar.

Wake up OP!

IWantT0BreakFree · 01/10/2021 19:36

I think you know he’s lying. I think you are desperate to will yourself to believe the lie so that you can preserve your marriage. And I think you were hoping that you’d get some responses on mumsnet that would help you to invest yourself in the lie he is spinning.

Unfortunately it’s as plain to all of us as it surely must be to you. You are in a sexless marriage with a man who buys sex from vulnerable women.

As frightening and soul destroying as this realisation must be, it can’t be as terrifying as the thought of spending the rest of your life with a man like that.

Closetbeanmuncher · 01/10/2021 19:38

Op I’m sorry to say this but he is lying, how much more proof do you need - other than physically seeing him insert his penis to a woman who he is paying to have sex with him!

I agree, you sound very gullible. Wise up sharpish before he gives you something incurable.

Aquamarine1029 · 01/10/2021 19:38

Your husband has been lying to you from the start, he's a professional at it. He is playing you for an absolute fool.

Wopies · 01/10/2021 19:38

He is clearly using prostitutes. Please don't waste your life believing him.

Yoursaintlyglowofconcern · 01/10/2021 19:39

Maybe it's not in person, maybe it's just on the phone, who knows

Yes even if he wasn’t lying he doesn’t show or initiate sexual interest in you, but he does for these fantasies involving texting other women? How is that right?

These messages saying he’s 10 minutes away and confirming he’s on his way, to get pictures, where are the messages asking where he is if he hasn’t turned up?

Closetbeanmuncher · 01/10/2021 19:41

do you actually need to find him penetrating one of them -in which case he will claim he slipped and fell or was just trying to make her feel better

Sorry but I had to laugh at that and can imagine OP all doe eyed believing it too.

Dear lord

Tal45 · 01/10/2021 19:42

Look up vulnerable narcissist OP. The perfectionism, lying, emotional manipulation. Totally delusional. He's broken from his childhood and I promise you that you can't fix him. Every single thing he does for you is to look good, to look like the perfect husband. My husband never got angry either, I thought he was the kindest, most helpful person ever - but all the red flags were there if only I'd looked and listened hard enough. Everything was a lie OP, there was no depth, he listened to what I said and reflected it back to me knowing it was what I wanted to hear. That's what narcissists do, the lies and manipulation are never ending, there is no depth and it's not love he feels, it's dependence and a complete fear of rejection. The scary thing is how good they are at it, there is no remorse for lying, no empathy for you only for themselves that they have been caught out. They are completely selfish and everything they do is too look good.

CaptSkippy · 01/10/2021 19:42

I have not been an easy person to be with at times.
Does he say this?

OP, I find the massive disclaimer of just how "good" he is as a person, covering nearly a third of your whole post, along with his "troubled" childhood, a giant red flag in and of itself.

If he was always so great you would not be posting here. You have seen who he is now and maybe on some level you already suspected something. But the truth is that your husband is a lying piece of shit. You were simple part of an image of how he wanted to present himself to the world.

You now know he is not the man he pretended to be. The question is what you are going to do with this revelation.

Famousinlove · 01/10/2021 19:43

Is he into something so kinky he's too embarrassed to ask so goes to prostitutes?

Yes he's lying, you know he is

ElizaDarcysDeeds · 01/10/2021 19:44

Of course he's lying. Are all the flowery words about tortured childhoods, being his own worse critic and being mortified at 'the crack in his perfect facade' from him or you? Because whoever is using that language is very committed a story-telling narrative about who he is. And people who are being honest don't need to make up narratives like that.