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H and prostitutes

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Ihatevegetables · 01/10/2021 18:14

I want to start this by saying it is probably going to be a long thread, so thank you to those who bear with me and read the whole thing.

My H has always had a strange relationship with sex. We have been together 9 years (no kids) and our sex life has never been what I hoped it would be. The sex is great when we actually do it, however H very rarely initiates and when I initiate, he often says he is too tired. We have gone months at a time without having sex. Over the years I have tried initating myself, calmly explaining to H how important sex is in a marriage and how it makes me insecure and crying and saying that this issue could end our marriage. He always agrees and promises to make more of an effort but after a week or so it goes back to normal.
H is honestly the best husband you could ask for. He has supported me financially and emotionally for 8 years, often to his own detriment, and has continually supported me with my own mental health issues. I have not been an easy person to be with at times. He puts me first in every single way, never gets angry, and truly loves me. I have no doubt of this. He has always been the 'perfect' one, whether it's as a husband, friend or family member. He is a genuinely nice man. However, he had a very fractured childhood and is his own harshest critic, he cannot tolerate himself being anything less than perfect. A few years ago we had just stopped doing long distance and I saw a message on his phone to a friend of his (sent during our time apart) that said he had brought two women back to his flat after a night out. I hit the roof and his explanation was that he had been trying to fit in with a 'laddish' group of friends he had made and had sent the message drunkenly, with no truth to it. I believed him as I do see that he constantly strives to fit in.
Fast forward to last night. We had friends round for drinks and something one of them said (nothing to do with women) raised alarm bells. It strongly implied he had lied about something in order to impress them. This has happened once before and I let it go, however something just didn't sit right and (I'm ashamed to admit) I looked at his phone when he was sleeping. I found numerous whatsapp messages to prostitute hotlines (we live in a country where this is sadly accessable) basically asking for sexual services. In some of the messages he has bartered the price, stated that he would like a discount as he 'had this one before' and has asked for photos of the different women to be sent to him. There are also messages saying he is 'ten minutes away' and asking for their location etc. He lost his wedding ring on a night out about six weeks ago and I saw one message saying that he thinks he left his grandfathers ring at the location the night before and could they please check. I was absolutely heartbroken and confronted him. He completely broke down and eventually explained everything. He found this mortifying as it was a crack in his 'perfect' facade. He said that he sends these messages to different companies when he is very drunk as he is seeking a thrill. When I asked him about why he would need directions etc and why he had asked about his wedding ring, for the former he said that they only send pictures if you confirm you are on your way and for the latter he said that he had panicked the next morning and messaged everyone, including the friends he had been out with, without thinking. He said that he has always had an issue with sex and he is very much 'in his own head', I know this is true and knowing him for 9 years, I can genuinely believe that this is a fantasy he is acting out instead of something he would act on. He was absolutely adamant that he has never actually slept with or met any of these women and never would.

I feel oddly calm, and part of me was almost relieved that this man I had felt for years was too good for me, also had flaws. I am a naturally very suspicious person but I do genuinely believe that he hasnt acted on these fantasies. What I can't get my head around is that our lack of sex over the years has really dented my confidence and caused (the only) major issue in our marriage. I also have spent years thinking he is perfect and too good for me and been completely open with him about my own flaws, and I feel like this has been a lie.

Am I crazy for believing him? If I choose to believe that this is all a fantasy, would anyone else view this as being a flaw that they are willing to overlook (provided it never happens again,) and deem it not that big a deal? I don't know how to feel except that I overreacted, as he is saying that as he never did and never would act on it, it's just a stupid thing he does when very drunk. He also says that he is so ashamed of himself that no matter how angry I am at him, he will always hate himself more. I told him that I forgave him and that we can move on, however he said it didnt matter if I forgave him, he could never forgive himself and I do believe this (ties into him being his own harshest critic).

I'm sorry for this long post, but I feel very confused and I really need some perspective on this. I have certainly made mistakes over the years, like developing a crush on a work colleague (I never acted on it and I think it was due to the lack of sexual attention from H) however I have never cheated on H.

OP posts:
Tellmewhat · 01/10/2021 18:39

I don’t know why you would believe him when you saw those messages with your own eyes saying he was on his way and you know he lost the ring. How much more evidence do you need?

ShuddaBeenMe · 01/10/2021 18:39

Of course he's visited them

I'm sorry you don't want to hear it but he's lying

ScrambledSmegs · 01/10/2021 18:40

Am I crazy for believing him?

You know you are or you wouldn't be asking us.

TheAverageUser · 01/10/2021 18:40

I'm sorry it does sound like he's lying. The bit about his ring just doesn't make sense. You sound really lovely and this must be really tough for you and such a shock out of nowhere.

RebeccaCloud9 · 01/10/2021 18:41

I genuinely can't believe his lame, pathetic, transparent cover-up lie. OF COURSE he's lying to you. OF COURSE he is seeing prostitutes. You would see this if it were happening to anyone else. Please please please see that you are far too good for him and you need to move on from this scumbag.

ScaredOfDinosaurs · 01/10/2021 18:41

He is a repulsive piece of crap and the person you thought you know is a lie, that guy never existed.

You'll need to grieve for that, when you are ready to accept the truth. He seems to have a strong case of Madonna / whore syndrome. "Dirty" women are for fucking, "nice" women are for putting on a pedestal.

He thinks that female human beings can be bought and sold like cattle.

Fuck that noise.

DamnUserName21 · 01/10/2021 18:41

Agree with PPs. He is lying.
But...just say he wasn't, would you want to live with a man who leads a double life, in his head or otherwise? You do not know this man.

pelosi · 01/10/2021 18:42

If he was sending the prostitutes hotline messages for the thrill of it, what bigger thrill than asking ‘did I leave my wedding there?’. Much more of a thrill than ‘did I leave my grandfather’s ring there.’

He’s lying, OP. I know you desperately want to believe him, but he’s lying.

Iooselipssinkships · 01/10/2021 18:42

He sounds like a very manipulative man. I know you desperately want to believe him and that's understandable. But do see how he's turned this around to make you feel bad? I appreciate that none of us know him but then again we can take on what he has said to you without the emotion clouding it. It's shit but he's lying OP, of course he is. I think you know that deep down.

Anon778833 · 01/10/2021 18:42

You'll need to grieve for that, when you are ready to accept the truth. He seems to have a strong case of Madonna / whore syndrome. "Dirty" women are for fucking, "nice" women are for putting on a pedestal.

Yes ^

MouseRoar · 01/10/2021 18:42

How awful for you. I'm sorry but I also would not believe his story. He may be wonderful in many ways but he uses prostitutes. So sorry you have to deal with this

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 01/10/2021 18:45

Sorry just agreed with everyone else. He’s been having sex with these victims of prostitution. The evidence speaks for itself and he’s lying to you - the lies don’t even make sense.

He hasn’t needed to have sex with you because he’s getting it elsewhere. In this horrible way.

Mumoblue · 01/10/2021 18:46

OP, I understand why you want to believe him, but he couldn’t be more obviously lying.
Get yourself STD tested as soon as possible.

Chilesstanton · 01/10/2021 18:47

He’s lying

lynxca16 · 01/10/2021 18:47

He is lying - sorry it's a horrible thing to realise and come to terms with but he is not being honest.

toocold54 · 01/10/2021 18:48

Of course he’s been having sex with prostitutes OP I’m not sure why you can’t see that. Why else would he text them asking for what he has last time etc?

He obviously has issues with sex so they probably do things that you don’t realise he likes and he’s too embarrassed to admit, which is why his sex life is rare with you but he’ll happily pay for it.

MiddlesexGirl · 01/10/2021 18:48

@Iooselipssinkships

He sounds like a very manipulative man. I know you desperately want to believe him and that's understandable. But do see how he's turned this around to make you feel bad? I appreciate that none of us know him but then again we can take on what he has said to you without the emotion clouding it. It's shit but he's lying OP, of course he is. I think you know that deep down.
^ This.

Very striking from your post .... all this never forgive himself and always hate himself more. He's lying on many fronts.

mrsevangelina · 01/10/2021 18:48

He's definitely lying. Sorry, I know this is very hard to come to terms with.

If he hadn't met them surely there would be messages from them asking where he was?

Saffie980 · 01/10/2021 18:48

Why would he message everyone he knows about his granddad's ring? Why not be honest about it being his wedding ring?

Also, how does texting how far away you are or asking for a location verify that you are definitely on your way somewhere?

Girl, these are lies upon lies. Please don't accept this husk of a man.

BettysGotMoxie · 01/10/2021 18:49

This is insane, do you actually believe him or are you lying to yourself?

Cocomarine · 01/10/2021 18:49

Of course he’s lying.
Perhaps the mental health issues you have that he has been so supportive over, would be less if you weren’t in a sham marriage.

I’ve been where you are now with regards to the frankly ridiculous excuses. I’m not laughing at you - I mean I was literally where you are, persuading myself to believe them.

One day, you’ll look back and you’ll cringe that you ever tried to believe it - like that nonsense about messaging a prostitute about a ring…. I don’t want to tell you to play detective as there’s no need and honestly that was soul destroying for me. BUT… tell me honestly, do you think if you looked at his phone now, there would be that same message about the lost ring multiple times to different people? You know there wouldn’t.

I found it easy to think it must just be a fantasy, because it was a millions miles outside my comprehension that someone - anyone, let alone my own husband - would do this. So even though the fantasy story is obviously bullshit, it bizarre it seems more believable than a husband doing this to you. What you need to accept, is that this prostitute use is very common. Or all those lines wouldn’t exist.

I’m sorry, but I am certain that he did it, and certain he won’t change. With or without your forgiveness and support.

I’ve name changed regularly, but my own “could these barely plausible excuses really be true” post is in the annals of MN somewhere. You and I both posted because - even though we didn’t want to be told we were wrong - we knew we had to hear it.

Good luck - I promise you life is better without these men. Your confidence will be shot in ways you haven’t even realised yet. But you will recover x

ScumbagDave · 01/10/2021 18:51

I'm so sorry op, but I agree with others and think he is lying to you.

AThousandEyes · 01/10/2021 18:51

I'm sorry because its clear you've had an awful shock and want to believe this man, but there is absolutely no way he is telling the truth. All of those messages are more than just drunken bravado but if there were still any doubt, the one about the ring proves he's done more than just fantasise.

He isn't perfect. He isn't even an average decent human being. He shows you no intimacy, he has cheated on you multiple times, and he is now lying to you and gaslighting you to think you're the one in the wrong. He has no respect for you whatsoever.

Please get yourself tested for STDs asap, and if you choose to stay with this awful man, know that he isn't going to change.

Prettybubblesintheair · 01/10/2021 18:52

He is 100% lying. You have to prove you’re on your way before they’ll send photos? Absolute bollocks. I hope you don’t believe him.

SmellyOldOwls · 01/10/2021 18:53

Wow. He doesn't even have the decency to be honest with you, so he's going to gaslight you instead.

Of course he doesn't want it coming out that he's getting a divorce because he's been seeing prostitutes. Mr sodding perfect.

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