To not understand why voters aren't angry about all the lies Tories and Brexiteers told them and the resulting mess they've created?

[Kendodd]

Voters still seem to love them and are absolutely welded to their vote despite the evidence all around them that they were lied to.
I would be absolutely furious with them if their lies had persuaded me to vote Leave and Tory.

Yanbu - I would be angry as well
Yabu - everything else

I wouldn't have spent four years worrying if they had also spent four years training customs staff, building customs facilities, throwing money at border software, recruiting lorry drivers, improving conditions for lorry drivers, improving conditions for care workers, hospitality staff, etc. They didn't do any of that properly and now here we are.

Up a very shitty creek, for quite a while I suspect. Literally shitty, because water treatment companies can't get the chemicals they need and so the government has relaxed the rules on the treatment of water going in to watercourses.

That was the whole point of Brexit though, control immigration, whether we like it or not. It's what people voted for.

Theyve convinced themselves everything would be even worse under labour so they'll forgive (Labour have their own problems but I'm not convinced it would be worse)

They all lie. The Labour Party was absolutely shit so…

Yes, they called the referendum, but people across the political board campaigned and voted for it, and it's not like Labour were against it. Cameron, who was the PM at the time and a Tory, campaigned for Remain.

Gaslighting

David Cameron was a remainer, but called the referendum (and regretted it afterwards!) to silence the populist eurosceptics within his party and under pressure from UKIP and never even thought Brexit would happen: a big, costly mistake and the populist eurosceptics are now in charge wreaking havoc on the very fabric of society.

I think I'd be happier if I could see some benefit to Brexit, I think I must have missed something because I've not seen one yet?

It’s british exceptionalism and the class system. People won’t admit they’ve been duped they can’t possibly comprehend we’ve got a shitty undemocratic corrupt government and our country has gone to shit. That’s why people keep pointing to other countries saying they also have shortages and problems.

Similar to how Americans believe they’re the greatest country in the world with the best healthcare for example despite their obvious worldwide reputation for the opposite.
We’ve also been conditioned by the obsession with class in the U.K. The torys are seen as the more sensible, more educated, more competent alternative that are some how better because they are upper class. Just look at all the replies saying they’ve done better than labour ever would ?!? I mean how would you’ve even know.

@dangerrabbit

Yes, I don't get how they are still getting away with it, the bunch of shysters.

Have you seen the state of the so called opposition?

The torys are seen as the more sensible, more educated, more competent alternative that are some how better because they are upper class. Just look at all the replies saying they’ve done better than labour ever would ?!? I mean how would you’ve even know

Bruisedpear so the voters are the ones at fault?

The opposition is too scared to call out this hard brexit for what it is. They're in thrall to the same populist xenophobic arguments.
I normally like to listen to David Lammy on LBC but the sheer terror in his voice yesterday when a caller pointed out that leaving the single market and the free movement of goods and people/labour is the massive elephant in the room and key issue across many industries...
He agreed with her but just could not bring himself to say we should revisit that awful mistake.
As long as Labour holds that position there's literally no hope for any substantial improvement.

HesterAndPearlInBrightSunshine

Yes, but I'm not surprised when the predominant values of the governing party and the right wing media are essentially aligned with and informed by UKIP, and any attempts to criticise or hold the government into account often result in total annihilation of MPs, from Jeremy Corbyn and Rebecca Long Bailey to Angela Rayner and David Lammy.

In discussions here it appears you are not allowed the blame the government for Brexit and the resulting mess, food shortages, fuel shortages...and you are not allowed to question Tory voters or how well informed they are...

There is very much a culture of shutting down debate by intimidation in politics, in the media, even in discussions here - all from those on the right who at the same time talk about freedom of speech and whinge about cancel culture, and try to make out they are somehow the 'victims'!

Unbelievable really...

@Andante57 Not necessarily. Yes some people kept voting them into power but in fewer numbers due to the way elections are decided. A number of things also contributed to their success including a lack of balanced and impartial media, the ingrained class system which can even be seen here in MN, a perceived lack of opposition because ultimately we do not know how another party would have reacted.
Also the attitude of British people contributes a lot. Our societal values don’t align with revolt the system is broken, instead of pushing back against the system and demanding change not just ‘the best of a bad bunch’. We are more likely to have a stiff upper lip and keep calm and carry on.
It’s really not as simple as blaming the voters.

For those who think women's rights are safe with the Conservatives. The Justice Secretary who has previously complained about "what a raw deal men are getting" now thinks misogyny can "apply to abuse against either women or men"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/06/dominic-raab-confuses-meaning-of-misogyny-in-bbc-interview.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

There were other options open to them

Not within the outcome of the referendum. Look, if you are determined to overlook the role of Labour and Corbyn then by all means.
But Brexit happened very much with their help and even in the post Brexit election Labour never took a strong anti Brexit position, and actually no even a hint of a anti Brexit position at all.

This shit was created by many, not just the few.

Why would Labour campaign against Brexit?

A majority of voters supported Leave
Millions of Labour voters voted Leave

How would it have been a responsible position for them to say "we don't care what you think, you're wrong"