To not understand why voters aren't angry about all the lies Tories and Brexiteers told them and the resulting mess they've created?

[Kendodd]

Voters still seem to love them and are absolutely welded to their vote despite the evidence all around them that they were lied to.
I would be absolutely furious with them if their lies had persuaded me to vote Leave and Tory.

Yanbu - I would be angry as well
Yabu - everything else

What do you hope to gain out of these repeated threads OP? You keep asking why people vote Conservative and whether they should feel angry and betrayed and lied to or not and keep getting the same answers. Do you hope to change peoples minds? Get a new perspective you haven’t heard before?

Because honestly, every day I grow more and more astonished by the shit you'll put up with and even defend. Really, it's just unbelievable. And as for changing anyones mind, the scales feel from my eyes a long time ago on that, there is NOTHING that will change Brexit voters minds and it's this that I really don't understand. The DUP are the best example of this.

@Mamamia7962

Why not post this on the Brexit board.

Because it’s not just about Brexit and hardly anyone will post if it’s there. I never go near the Brexit or Covid boards, they’re loon magnets.

Because it’s not just about Brexit and hardly anyone will post if it’s there. I never go near the Brexit or Covid boards, they’re loon magnets.

So the loons just infest the other boards

Brexit and its consequences were/are so unnecessary.

But British exceptionalism would not allow any criticism and a craven media actually ran the leave side of the referendum to victory.

Those who voted to remain have every right to be mad as hell right now. Those who voted to leave are slowly realising the consequences of a flawed referendum built on sand.

@ChurchofLatterDayPaints

Its not really abdicating responsiblity per se. However its has been decade of hearing how racism is wrong and yet decades later it is still happening - that alone tells you all you need to know that things will not change so I can still do my thing by voting, signing petitions etc but getting angry and stressing my body out over it- no I won't.

In 10 years time there will be something that happens like last year with George F and the spotlight will thrown on racism again and guarantee you nothing will have changed. Infact in my lifetime it will not change, nor my childrens or their childrens. Thats how bad it is.

Racism just being one example, plenty more homelessness, equality etc.

Trillions spent and do you see any improvements? No, a society designed to keep us fighting each other, rich and poor. Have and Have nots.

People are stupid and ill educated. It’s irrelevant the Tory vs labour in this regard.
It’s that simple.

It was a long time ago. We need to heal Britain. We all need to work together to improve things. It will be difficult to negotiate ways to work together.

The fastest way to solve all the problems Brexit has caused (apart from the divisions between people) would be to join the SM and CU. Most important this would also instantly solve the problems around the border in Ireland and I'm sure the EU would allow us to be in the SM and CU. Of course this won't happen though because... well just because a few politicians would lose face and it might piss off some of the public. That's all, no actual sensible, practical reason not to do it, we'd still have left the EU. As I said though, it won't happen, not even to secure the peace in NI.

@Wabola

Because it’s not just about Brexit and hardly anyone will post if it’s there. I never go near the Brexit or Covid boards, they’re loon magnets.

So the loons just infest the other boards

Basically.

Those who voted to remain have every right to be mad as hell right now.

But those who voted Leave have every right to be mad as hell right now as well, where are our sunlit uplands?. For some reason they're not mad.

Voters still seem to love them and are absolutely welded to their vote despite the evidence all around them that they were lied to.

I know Boris is a liar. I'm deeply saddened and angered by their incompetence. Still, if it weren't for the fact that my Tory MP is especially awful I might vote for them (something I've never done) because all the other options are worse.

Labour are divided and without policy or leadership. The Lib Dems are more illiberal than any UK party since Mosely.

I can't think of any time in my life when the main parties seemed so incompetent and divorced from reality.

LOL look at this thread, exactly what they want, you turning on each other, blaming each other, fighting each other. Meamnwhile you ignore the fact it doesn't matter who is in power its all the same! Designed to create division so you don't see whats happening.

Carry on with your brexit/ remainer fight you'll still be fighting about decades in the future and meanwhile nothing will change there will be no improvements to your life despite the number of governements that change hands in that time.

I would imagine that voters are more angry with Labour who failed to commit to implement Brexit thus allowing an easy Conservative victory; failed to hold to the government properly to account during the lockdowns - even stating that they wouldn’t oppose any decisions the government made at one point; are now failing to see the issues that are crucial to voters and instead focusing on marginal issues or displaying a lack of courage when asked basic questions during their own conference.

Meamnwhile you ignore the fact it doesn't matter who is in power its all the same

Genuinely not getting why you believe this, but it could be an age thing because we've had a Tory government now for a decade and it's probably mostly older people who remember that things can and have been different.

Meamnwhile you ignore the fact it doesn't matter who is in power its all the same

Do you actually believe this?
I doesn't matter who's in power it's all the same?
Do you not think we've had massive politically driven changes in recent years?

Honestly, I think it’s just human nature. It’s plain embarrassing to admit you were completely and utterly had - you bought an absolute turd, despite many people warning you what an absolute turd it was. No one wants to admit that.

But I suspect that when the shelves are bare at Christmas (it’s too late to save Christmas now) the tide of public opinion might start turning.

You don’t seem to have got it first or second time. I didn’t say that Brexit would help would with driver shortages. I said there is a difference between things being conveniently blamed on Brexit and things a direct inevitable consequence

I have understood that you have resorted to pedantry Newrumpus!

But I suspect that when the shelves are bare at Christmas (it’s too late to save Christmas now) the tide of public opinion might start turning.

I bet it won't. Everything and anything will be blamed except Brexit and the Tories.

The voters got what they voted for.

Don’t blame the Tories.
It’s up to us as voters to do the research and vote appropriately.

Remainers warned of this but the electorate didn’t listen. They’ve brought it on themselves.

@Papershuffle

You don’t seem to have got it first or second time. I didn’t say that Brexit would help would with driver shortages. I said there is a difference between things being conveniently blamed on Brexit and things a direct inevitable consequence

I have understood that you have resorted to pedantry Newrumpus!

No. You just haven’t got it.

People are past anger, disillusioned with the lack of good governance and lack of a credible opposition.
The government seems to have learnt no lessons from history.

I bet it won't. Everything and anything will be blamed except Brexit and the Tories.

You are probably right. My dad’s a Brexiteer and you should hear him flapping about trying to blame it on anything but Brexit (while he queues at the pumps for fuel he doesn’t need). It’s the evil EU, it’s a conspiracy by the haulage industry, it’s Covid. But I do wonder if having to have baked beans on toast for Christmas dinner will be the thing that gets through to him.

If you expect any politician to keep their word, more fool you.
I don't bother voting, l couldn't care less who is supposedly in charge,
I just focus on my own everyday life, living peacefully and simply and let the rest of the circus get on with it.

I don’t imagine anyone who pays for their kids’ education is likely to vote Labour

Shami Chakrabarti
Diane Abbott
Anas Sarwar
Polly Toynbee
Alan Rusbridger
(I don’t know for certain that Polly & Alan, in the privacy of the polling booth, voted Labour, but they claim they do).

Also I’ve read quite a few posts on here from parents who vote Labour and would vote against private education in a heartbeat, but because their children are so intelligent and superior , it would be too unfair on the little darlings to expect them to go to state school.

I completely agree with you OP and go between feeling depressed angry. Everyday we learn that something else will be more expensive, unavailable, more difficult etc etc and no-one cares.
Also annoyed with Kier Starmer who keeps missing these political open goals and is becoming more ineffective day by day.

Take the shortage of drivers - there is no doubt that Brexit played a part in this but it isn’t the only factor. Political will can overcome this issue. It is the same with trading and investments.

Nope. You wanted the Europeans to go and not come back. So they left, and they can’t come back.

There are some catalytic factors at play (Covid being the obvious one - it caused Europeans to leave faster than expected) but it’s still straightforward cause and effect.