To not understand why voters aren't angry about all the lies Tories and Brexiteers told them and the resulting mess they've created?

[Kendodd]

Voters still seem to love them and are absolutely welded to their vote despite the evidence all around them that they were lied to.
I would be absolutely furious with them if their lies had persuaded me to vote Leave and Tory.

Yanbu - I would be angry as well
Yabu - everything else

@Dreamstate

You remainers so intent on proving brexit was a shotshow you would destroy this country and for what.. to say I told you so!

This view is also bizarre.
What exactly have Remainers done to destroy the country? They warned against and voted against Brexit and its consequences and yet they are being blamed for the damage Brexit is doing by the very people who voted for it. Absolutely zero blame is being directed at the public figures and politicians who sold voters a pack of lies about sunlit uplands and other such bollocks.

FFS give it up about Brexit. That was five years ago. You lost, deal with it.

I think this is the problem. Some people not realising what is happening now is to do with Brexit because they think Brexit happened 5 years ago.

OFFS.

I think Brexit was a stupid thing to do, but it’s not Labour were against it, so you can stop with only blaming the Conservatives for it.

Tories are the lesser of 2 evils. There is no other option. Best thing would be for the labour to split. The looney far left spin off and create their own party and let labour become more central ground. A central left party (without the extremists far left involved) would give a credible alternative*

They can’t do that because of the unions.

OFFS.

I think Brexit was a stupid thing to do, but it’s not Labour were against it, so you can stop with only blaming the Conservatives for it.

Yes but the Conservatives are the government......

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

OFFS.

I think Brexit was a stupid thing to do, but it’s not Labour were against it, so you can stop with only blaming the Conservatives for it.

Yes I do blame Jeremy Corbyn very much for his pathetic dithering over Brexit and for not rallying a proper opposition to it.

But I think blame Boris and Gove must take a lot of personal responsibility for Brexit because, by coming down on the Leavers side, they probably swung the vote in their favour.

Yes but the Conservatives are the government.....

Well, obviously. Brexit however was not a decision a government took, it was a result of referendum vote where all parties campaigned according to their views and it the campaign to leave was across the parties.
You cannot blame the government for the outcome of the referendum.

[quote Kendodd]**@Dreamstate

You remainers so intent on proving brexit was a shotshow you would destroy this country and for what.. to say I told you so!

This view is also bizarre.
What exactly have Remainers done to destroy the country? They warned against and voted against Brexit and its consequences and yet they are being blamed for the damage Brexit is doing by the very people who voted for it. Absolutely zero blame is being directed at the public figures and politicians who sold voters a pack of lies about sunlit uplands and other such bollocks.[/quote]
Because its being reported a remained is behind the leaking of the fuel issue bp had and then lets look st all the threads here and posters clearly remainers blaming brexit for the fuel crisis that is now being reported as being false that there was no fuel crisis jusf bp having an issue in 6 stations and that the crisis is born out people panic and the so called butterfly effect.

But you know remainers here still refuse to acknowledge that and still blame brexit! So yeh if you cannot and will not accept those facts what other agenda do you have other than to want to blame brexit so you can be right

So will anyone admit the fuel crisis mess is not to do with brexit as being reported but a one made from someone reporting incorrect information to create one? Or are you going to ignore that and carry on with your belief the fuel crisis is because of brexit?

In my opinion, this lot are world-beating at lying, incompetence and corruption.
It is off the scale compared to your normal government, even a normal Tory government.

@Dreamstate

So will anyone admit the fuel crisis mess is not to do with brexit as being reported but a one made from someone reporting incorrect information to create one? Or are you going to ignore that and carry on with your belief the fuel crisis is because of brexit?

Why was the incorrect information reported though? It must have come from somewhere and I think it's rather naive to believe that the government has no influence over what the media reports.

It really wouldn't surprise me if the whole shebang was invented by Tories simply as a way to bring foreign workers back in without upsetting their voters.

Because life gets in the way

Majority of people are interested in politics every four (or five) years

Most people are tired of talking/hearing about Brexit and just want to get on and hope they shall improve

There wasn’t a decent opposition and regardless of what you think about Boris Johnson he is a master politician (as in he wins voters over)

@YouJustDoYou

Because ALL politicians are liars. All of them. It's not like we've been told the truth for all of history and all of a sudden we've been lied to. Sadly, everyone's just used to it, they don't have the energy to be angry at something they half expected anyway.

This is the danger of having a pathological liar as PM, it undermines faith in the political system because lying has been normalised.

Not "ALL" politicians are liars, I think Theresa May is awful and would never vote for her but do I think she's a liar...no!

In the same way you cannot accurately make sweeping generalisations about any group of people, it if wrong to say that all politicians lie.
One politician very definitely does lie and for some unknown reason the British voting public have seen fit to put him in power. Worse still, many now continue to not challenge these lies. If our children lied as the PM does we would not stand for it or excuse it as "all children lie"
The UK deserves better.

Yes but the Conservatives are the government.....

Well, obviously. Brexit however was not a decision a government took, it was a result of referendum vote where all parties campaigned according to their views and it the campaign to leave was across the parties.
You cannot blame the government for the outcome of the referendum.

But it was two consecutive Conservative governments that negociated the terms of leaving the EU. There were other options open to them.

There were other options open to them

Not within the outcome of the referendum. Look, if you are determined to overlook the role of Labour and Corbyn then by all means.
But Brexit happened very much with their help and even in the post Brexit election Labour never took a strong anti Brexit position, and actually no even a hint of a anti Brexit position at all.

This shit was created by many, not just the few.

You cannot blame the government for the outcome of the referendum.

Wow, just wow. Who called the referendum and why? David Cameron, to appease Eurosceptics in his own party. The outcome of the referendum was swayed by a manipulative campaign spearheaded by Dominic Cummings, based on scaremongering and lies.

The Conservatives are solely responsible for the shit state of things in this country. And people believe the propaganda right wing media have fed them about the left.

How do you know people are not mad or what they will vote ?

There are also two sides to every story , as the pound is stronger and we import our business Has benefitted and we have taken in new staff.

Plus everything that is happening now is NOT a all due to brexit l we are still in a pandemic .

When it comes to an election THEN you will know how voters feel .

But as Labour have alienated half the population you might be shocked.

@elodie77

Actually I blame Corbyn as he was ineffective as an opposition leader.

@OhWhyNot

Because life gets in the way

Majority of people are interested in politics every four (or five) years

Most people are tired of talking/hearing about Brexit and just want to get on and hope they shall improve

There wasn’t a decent opposition and regardless of what you think about Boris Johnson he is a master politician (as in he wins voters over)

A lot of people don't have the luxury to be only able to think about it every four or five years though. If your business, work, or source of income is linked to the import or export a of goods to Europe in any way, your life may have been decimated by Brexit and that situation will continue for a good five to ten years yet. The same if you have moved from the EU to the UK or vice versa under a certain set of rules and laws, to find those laws have all been changed by Brexit. Likewise if you have a family that spans the EU and the UK; t's all a living nightmare.

Dee1975
Best thing would be for the labour to split

Gina Miller is starting a new party:
From Cityam

Anti-Brexit campaigner Gina Miller has announced plans to launch a new political party named True & Fair.

Miller today confirmed that she has submitted an application to the Electoral Commission to register as a political party in England and Wales which she intends to lead.

She said, “this Government needs to be held to account. Voters deserve better than the current politics of incompetence and self-interest.”

Jeremy Corbyn has gone.

Keir Starmer is taking the party in a different direction, and he set out the policies he is focusing on in his speech - I think they are all good ones that speak to different demographics from low wage workers to small business owners and would benefit many and raise living standards.

People are getting very worked up about the trans discussion here (and many posters' attitudes are clearly down to just good old fashioned prejudice), but they would do well to seriously consider whether women's lives have improved/are going to improve under a Tory government and their policies and (lack of) investment on housing, education, healthcare, childcare, equal pay: issues that actually affect everyday lives of women!

Wow, just wow. Who called the referendum and why?

Wow indeed.

Cameron called it, but he didn't decide the outcome. That was the great British public.

Jeremy Corbyn has gone

And thank fuck for that. But he was very much part of the Brexit problem.

People are getting very worked up about the trans discussion here (and many posters' attitudes are clearly down to just good old fashioned prejudice), but they would do well to seriously consider whether women's lives have improved/are going to improve under a Tory government and their policies and (lack of) investment on housing, education, healthcare, childcare, equal pay: issues that actually affect everyday lives of women!

And here we go again. Blaming the voters for their lack of understanding and enlightenment. Some people never learn.

Blaming the voters for their lack of understanding and enlightenment.

The Tories' underinvestment in education, the NHS, commitment to equal pay, social housing etc is a matter of record. If you don't know that that you clearly DON'T understand their priorities.

What is really astounding is that women think their lives and rights are better off with the Tories simply because they are regressive in their attitudes to any minority rights which chimes with the anti-trans views of some women.

@Kendodd

I am saying YABU. Yeah the country is a shitshow atm, and some of it MAY be to do with Brexit (like the lorry drivers issue.) But I expected - like many OTHER Brexit supporters - to have some bumps in the road, when we left the EU.

I don't regret voting to leave for a SECOND and would vote to LEAVE again in a heartbeat. Especially given how vile, and disruptive, and nasty the EU behaved after the vote/when we were trying to leave... And even AFTER we left, with trying to upset and derail things, and steal our covid vaccines.

The EU can suck my big toe, I hate them, and anyone who thinks it would be a smooth transition anyway is a naive fool.

I know the remainers WANT everyone who voted to regret it and 'be more angry' but I just don't give a shit tbh, because what is happening, is pretty much just what I expected to happen.

Also, many other countries are having issues too with food shortages, and high unemployment, and all sorts of shit going on because of the covid pandemic. We're doing no worse than some countries.

Keep blaming Brexit for everything, and whine like a baby by all means. Doesn't change the fact we are OUT OF THE EU. I'll take the bumps in the road, and roll with the punches, because we are away from those controlling, manipulative bullies.