Why is Sabina Nessa murder not all over the media?

[postingfortraffichere]

Such a tragic killing and sad, truly awful to hear about this murder.

Though I can't understand why, it doesn't get the same media/public attention as Sarah Everard who died in similarly tragic circumstances not long ago.

Both are equally tragic, two young women attacked in similar circumstances - the only difference I can see in these cases is the colour of their skin. Sarah's murder was everywhere - before we knew it was a police officer responsible.

Women had lined the streets in protest to make the country a safer place for women.

I can't help but notice where are these women protesting for Sabina? Or for the Killmarsh murders, or other women of colour?

The media treats women of colour - even to this day - very differently to white women.

It feels like the media are sending a clear message that black lives STILL 'don't matter' quite as much as their white counterparts.

[IncessantNameChanger]

It's been on the news a lot but I hadn't realised it wasnt days ago.

Its terrible if there is a race element that means it wasnt reported well at the time. That in itself is shocking as it makes you wonder how common it is for woman to be murdered on the streets in the UK?

I didnt think much beyound what a waste of such a young and clever woman. It makes me sad for all women.

I sometimes think the police know much more than they let on from.the off as with Sarah. They knew he had been arrested for flashing in the area didnt they? Hopefully its similar here in that they have a few leads

[M4J4]

@mrshoho

Is that really factual M4J4? I can't find data anywhere stating that the vast majority of UK grooming gangs are made up of White Men?

Yes it’s really factual

‘Most child sexual abuse gangs made up of white men, Home Office report says (Dec, 2020)’

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report

[Charley50]

@mrshoho

So now it appears this poor woman was struck leaving her communal entrance and carried by a male to the park. It does sadly point to her attacker being known to her. What a terrible and sad end.

Is that being reported? Can't see that anywhere?

[Looubylou]

It is in the news but, she was probably not killed by a police officer. There are no protests or mass hysteria to be reported on. "Been there done that recently" for both media and protesters. There many women murdered, of all colours, who don't make the news at all. It's what suits the media at the time.

[mrshoho]

Thank you M4J4.

Yes it seems overnight the details have changed. It is also being reported now that she was meeting a first date rather than a friend. The whole situation is tragic.

[postingfortraffichere]

@rainyskylight thank you for such an acknowledging well written post.

I think this is what I was trying to get across in my OP but I was angry at the time of writing it.

This is exactly why I get sad when people deny there is a race element to it.

I understand it's human nature for people to show more empathy to someone that 'looks like them' but it's not a nice fact of human nature and we should be actively trying to change for the better.

[KeflavikAirport]

It took The Guardian three days to report Sabina’s death after her body was found. The Metro was quicker off the mark but gave Sabina no more than a small paragraph buried in the paper.

Thing is, most murders don't even make more than a small paragraph at all. Sabina's tragic case has got far more traction than most. Take Samantha Heap, for instance, whose killer was sentenced yesterday: www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/face-murderer-47-who-strangled-5958241 : very little coverage outside the immediate area.

[boomboom1234]

[quote postingfortraffichere]@Theoldprospector no it isn't going to be a thing every time - as I appreciate it depends on the circumstances of the event, but I am highlighting yet another example of how the media pick and choose whose story to highlight - based on colour of the skin (age, socio-economic background also plays a part)

Sarah's death was very similar IMO and it was everywhere for weeks on end. [/quote]
Wasn't it in the media for ages as people were looking for her hoping she was still alive as no body was found for a week or so? I'm not sure you can say they are exactly the same to be honest.

[curlyrebel]

I agree with OP. I saw something on London TV news about her but missed the whole story. I went on to Apple news on my phone and couldn't find the story anywhere. I expected it to be up there as leading news and it wasn't.

Anyone who thinks it's nothing to do with the colour of her skin is sadly mistaken. Perhaps the case can't be compared to Sarah Everard but if a white woman had been murdered in a London park in the same way it would have received a whole lot more attention.

I feel for her family and friends and hope they find her killer.

[HoldingTheDoor]

I agree with OP. I saw something on London TV news about her but missed the whole story. I went on to Apple news on my phone and couldn't find the story anywhere. I expected it to be up there as leading news and it wasn't.

Did you check the BBC News site? They certainly covered it. It was on the front page some days ago, before recent developments, then was moved to the front page of English news, then later back to the very front page. I'm not in London and knew about it even while people here claim that they didn't. Perhaps it depends upon which news source you use.

[LimitIsUp]

Two more articles in the Times today. I've seen a lot of coverage.

Now if you want to see negligible coverage - this generally happens to middle aged women victims. There was little at the time on the PCSO murdered during a dog walk and what little there was probably because she was a PCSO

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sabina-nessa-vigil-tearful-sister-leads-hundreds-of-londoners-in-mourning-dbgwbdcl9

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/talented-and-caring-sabina-nessa-dreamt-of-bringing-joy-wbh5x2rdf

[LimitIsUp]

It does make me weep that women are taking their life in their hands taking a quick 5 minute walk across the park, walking home from a friends house or walking their dogs.

[Plumtree391]

There is a person in custody at the moment.

I know the area a bit and it's Kidbrooke which is really not very nice. I wouldn't want to live there.

[OnlyFoolsnMothers]

@Plumtree391

There is a person in custody at the moment.

I know the area a bit and it's Kidbrooke which is really not very nice. I wouldn't want to live there.

Except those flats are c.£500k as they are marketed as blackHeath

[M4J4]

Except those flats are c.£500k as they are marketed as blackHeath

Astell Road (where Sabina lived) looks lovely and apparently Cator Park is really peaceful. Ordinarily being steps away from a park is a great thing, but now I wonder is if it’s one more thing for women to be wary of.

[OnlyFoolsnMothers]

@M4J4

Except those flats are c.£500k as they are marketed as blackHeath

Astell Road (where Sabina lived) looks lovely and apparently Cator Park is really peaceful. Ordinarily being steps away from a park is a great thing, but now I wonder is if it’s one more thing for women to be wary of.

It’s just like any other mass new build gentrified estate in London- wouldn’t say it’s anymore less safe than anywhere else.
I do find it unbelievable to think a man whacked her over the head and slung her over his should at 8.30 at night and no one saw- 100s of people live there, many young professionals who would be going out etc.

[genericuserneeded]

@OnlyFoolsnMothers He probably familiar with the area and knew it would have only taken him a few minutes to carry her into the park. A few minutes is enough of a time window to go without seeing someone else even in a relatively busy area.

As for young people going out, I reckon locals would have already left and been on the train to somewhere more trendy. This area isn’t particularly popular for nights out, let alone that exact route from her home to the park.

[Plumtree391]

Except those flats are c.£500k as they are marketed as blackHeath

They are indeed.

When I was looking on Rightmove at Blackheath, SE3, I avoided the Kidbrooke side (I'm not looking there now at all, it was a passing fancy). If you don't know the area, you may well think it's OK.

It has more appeal for younger people I think, they have less fear.

I wouldn't fancy walking around there on my own in the evening, frankly.

[genericuserneeded]

Also he had a car, so there’s a chance he bundled her into the car and drove to the park, hence not being detected en route

[olivehater]

It’s everywhere. What are you in about? It’s even on cnn!

[LetsGoFlyAKiteee]

@Plumtree391

There is a person in custody at the moment.

I know the area a bit and it's Kidbrooke which is really not very nice. I wouldn't want to live there.

I think they've been released. Or 2 people they had suspected have since been.

[Plumtree391]

You're right, I just read the same from the Guardian four hours ago. Killer still at large. It's scary but I feel sure he will be caught soon. God, I hope so.

[Sometimeswinning]

I do actually find it really offensive that the horrific murders of Nicole Henry, Bibaa Smallman, Sarah Everard and now Sabina Nessa are being played off against each other, in a strange kind of Top Trumps, when the actual issue is male violence. Sarah Everard was kidnapped and brutally sexually assaulted, for days maybe, before being murdered, and yet there is this strange focus on her being white and somehow lucky and privileged. She is dead, they are all dead.

This is exactly what I'm thinking reading this whole thread!

[CreepyPaper]

It just came in as breaking news that they've arrested another man on suspicion of Sabina's murder and consider it to be a significant development.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58696977

[Onyernelly]

@mrshoho @M4J4

Yes it is true that the majority of of sex attacks in this country are committed by white men.
A poster upthread stated (sorry I can’t remember who), that while white men are the largest number of sex offenders that people understand that NOT ALL white men are sex offenders. This is where the double standard enters BME male sex offenders are considered by most to be representative of their wider community.
There is a particular kind of CSE where gangs of men are involved and it is organised where they use the boyfriend model to abuse the children. In a study called the Unheard voices it was quoted that 88% of offenders involved in this type of CSE are BME men.
The problem then became that because of our countries racist attitudes towards the BME community the police and LA played this very important fact down so as not to create a moral panic.
This led to continued CSE of BME in our communities who were rendered voiceless and many people still don’t realise that BME girls suffered and continue to suffer significantly as a result of protection from authorities who put the male offenders of the community before the safety of the girls.