Why is Sabina Nessa murder not all over the media?

[postingfortraffichere]

Such a tragic killing and sad, truly awful to hear about this murder.

Though I can't understand why, it doesn't get the same media/public attention as Sarah Everard who died in similarly tragic circumstances not long ago.

Both are equally tragic, two young women attacked in similar circumstances - the only difference I can see in these cases is the colour of their skin. Sarah's murder was everywhere - before we knew it was a police officer responsible.

Women had lined the streets in protest to make the country a safer place for women.

I can't help but notice where are these women protesting for Sabina? Or for the Killmarsh murders, or other women of colour?

The media treats women of colour - even to this day - very differently to white women.

It feels like the media are sending a clear message that black lives STILL 'don't matter' quite as much as their white counterparts.

[WhatAShilohPitt]

Both are absolutely all over the news. Do you read or watch a range of news sources (because I’ve seen both stories in everything I’ve read)? I think the fact that Sarah’s murderer was a police officer makes achieve more coverage as there’s two separate things going on to report on: the murder investigation and the additional element to the story which is the criticism of the police (eg their failure to investigate previous claims made against him and the obvious damage to the trust in police). I don’t think it’s a decision based on race at all, which is what you seem to be assuming. So YABU.

[ddl1]

It is. I've seen many news items about it. I I think that what was particularly notorious about Sarah Everard's murder is that it was by a police officer. But both murders are shocking, and are very much in the news.

[HalzTangz]

@postingfortraffichere

Such a tragic killing and sad, truly awful to hear about this murder.

Though I can't understand why, it doesn't get the same media/public attention as Sarah Everard who died in similarly tragic circumstances not long ago.

Both are equally tragic, two young women attacked in similar circumstances - the only difference I can see in these cases is the colour of their skin. Sarah's murder was everywhere - before we knew it was a police officer responsible.

Women had lined the streets in protest to make the country a safer place for women.

I can't help but notice where are these women protesting for Sabina? Or for the Killmarsh murders, or other women of colour?

The media treats women of colour - even to this day - very differently to white women.

It feels like the media are sending a clear message that black lives STILL 'don't matter' quite as much as their white counterparts.

Sarah Everard got more coverage because the person that killed her was a serving officer. There wasn't much coverage about her until his arrest,then the media covered it like crazy.

Sabina's is getting the same coverage (imo) that Sarah had before Wayne's arrest.

I don't think it's anything to do with skin colour and more to do with 'murderous' police

[MsHedgehog]

@FreeBritnee Shame on you. Your post is actually disgusting. Sabina’s death has nothing whatsoever to do with Pakistani grooming gangs, but if you want to talk about double standards, maybe do some research before you make not so clever points? There are more white grooming gangs than Asian gangs, but the media love to report in detail about the Asian gangs, whilst rarely reporting about the white gangs. Yet another example of racism in the press right there…

[LimitIsUp]

@elkiedee

"It does make me weep that women are taking their life in their hands taking a quick 5 minute walk across the park, walking home from a friends house or walking their dogs."

There may not be a safer option.

I'm from Leeds and I was a kid when Peter Sutcliffe killed his last victim, on her way from the bus stop to her student flats, along a direct route by road, no park.

My father and his second wife and their kids lived very near the same student flats, thouh the route to the house was on the otier side of the flats. There's no reason to think that Wood Lane would have been any more or less safe than Alma Road, or any of the streets near the flats would have been particularly unsafe. There is also a sort of park called the Ridge quite nearby, much closer to my dad and his family lived - including my stepmother and my slightly younger sister. I also knew several families including women and girls who lived nearby there.

Another of his last attempts to kill someone was 2 minutes from my house. Not on a park, on a street. He also tried to kill someone who worked at the university on the campus site in the middle of all the buildings, in a pedestrianised area surrounded by residential roads, albeit with a park nearby.

How would you suggest that women and girls get from school and work, or go out to work, or go to the pub, or go to meet/visit friends or family or a "date", or go to carry out caring responsiblitilies, go to buy milk. Or literally, make any journey. Or should we all shield indoors until this particular individual has been arrested and not released again. Until next time? Really.

I tell dp and my son not to take risks walking alone through parks after dark and various other stuff. I also worry about my sons but even more about their friends, as generally some of them might be more at risk, from other young men and sadly from the police. DS1 is white with a middle class mum and a dad who can present as such. When he and a group of friends got unwelcome attention from a gang at KFC it was ds1's Turkish friend who was worst roughed up.

I probably wasn't clear enough, I meant that women should be safe walking home from a friends house / walking the dog/ taking a 5 minute stroll to the bar. My point was that it is a tragedy that we can't engage in these everyday, unremarkable activities without potentially being at risk of male violence

[Plumtree391]

Someone has been arrested, let's hope the police have the right person this time.

[Onyernelly]

@M4J4

Thanks for that link - I’ll have a look at it properly.

[mrshoho]

@genericuserneeded

I’m confused about why the police thought she would walk through the park when she was attacked outside her property. How would they know what route she was intending to take to meet her friend, she was assaulted before her route even began

I guess because she was found in the park the police initially assumed she had walked through it. But, only once cctv had been checked did they learn she was attacked right outside her building.

[elkiedee]

"It does make me weep that women are taking their life in their hands taking a quick 5 minute walk across the park, walking home from a friends house or walking their dogs."

There may not be a safer option.

I'm from Leeds and I was a kid when Peter Sutcliffe killed his last victim, on her way from the bus stop to her student flats, along a direct route by road, no park.

My father and his second wife and their kids lived very near the same student flats, thouh the route to the house was on the otier side of the flats. There's no reason to think that Wood Lane would have been any more or less safe than Alma Road, or any of the streets near the flats would have been particularly unsafe. There is also a sort of park called the Ridge quite nearby, much closer to my dad and his family lived - including my stepmother and my slightly younger sister. I also knew several families including women and girls who lived nearby there.

Another of his last attempts to kill someone was 2 minutes from my house. Not on a park, on a street. He also tried to kill someone who worked at the university on the campus site in the middle of all the buildings, in a pedestrianised area surrounded by residential roads, albeit with a park nearby.

How would you suggest that women and girls get from school and work, or go out to work, or go to the pub, or go to meet/visit friends or family or a "date", or go to carry out caring responsiblitilies, go to buy milk. Or literally, make any journey. Or should we all shield indoors until this particular individual has been arrested and not released again. Until next time? Really.

I tell dp and my son not to take risks walking alone through parks after dark and various other stuff. I also worry about my sons but even more about their friends, as generally some of them might be more at risk, from other young men and sadly from the police. DS1 is white with a middle class mum and a dad who can present as such. When he and a group of friends got unwelcome attention from a gang at KFC it was ds1's Turkish friend who was worst roughed up.

[M4J4]

[quote Onyernelly]**@mrshoho* @M4J4*

Yes it is true that the majority of of sex attacks in this country are committed by white men.
A poster upthread stated (sorry I can’t remember who), that while white men are the largest number of sex offenders that people understand that NOT ALL white men are sex offenders. This is where the double standard enters BME male sex offenders are considered by most to be representative of their wider community.
There is a particular kind of CSE where gangs of men are involved and it is organised where they use the boyfriend model to abuse the children. In a study called the Unheard voices it was quoted that 88% of offenders involved in this type of CSE are BME men.
The problem then became that because of our countries racist attitudes towards the BME community the police and LA played this very important fact down so as not to create a moral panic.
This led to continued CSE of BME in our communities who were rendered voiceless and many people still don’t realise that BME girls suffered and continue to suffer significantly as a result of protection from authorities who put the male offenders of the community before the safety of the girls.[/quote]
We’re not talking about sexual attacks, @Onyernelly, we’re talking specifically about sexual abuse gangs.

Your link was from 2013. I linked the article about the Home Office findings in 2020, which says:

The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.

[genericuserneeded]

I’m confused about why the police thought she would walk through the park when she was attacked outside her property. How would they know what route she was intending to take to meet her friend, she was assaulted before her route even began

[Onyernelly]

www.mwnuk.co.uk/go_files/resources/UnheardVoices.pdf

[Onyernelly]

@mrshoho @M4J4

Yes it is true that the majority of of sex attacks in this country are committed by white men.
A poster upthread stated (sorry I can’t remember who), that while white men are the largest number of sex offenders that people understand that NOT ALL white men are sex offenders. This is where the double standard enters BME male sex offenders are considered by most to be representative of their wider community.
There is a particular kind of CSE where gangs of men are involved and it is organised where they use the boyfriend model to abuse the children. In a study called the Unheard voices it was quoted that 88% of offenders involved in this type of CSE are BME men.
The problem then became that because of our countries racist attitudes towards the BME community the police and LA played this very important fact down so as not to create a moral panic.
This led to continued CSE of BME in our communities who were rendered voiceless and many people still don’t realise that BME girls suffered and continue to suffer significantly as a result of protection from authorities who put the male offenders of the community before the safety of the girls.

[CreepyPaper]

It just came in as breaking news that they've arrested another man on suspicion of Sabina's murder and consider it to be a significant development.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58696977

[Sometimeswinning]

I do actually find it really offensive that the horrific murders of Nicole Henry, Bibaa Smallman, Sarah Everard and now Sabina Nessa are being played off against each other, in a strange kind of Top Trumps, when the actual issue is male violence. Sarah Everard was kidnapped and brutally sexually assaulted, for days maybe, before being murdered, and yet there is this strange focus on her being white and somehow lucky and privileged. She is dead, they are all dead.

This is exactly what I'm thinking reading this whole thread!

[Plumtree391]

You're right, I just read the same from the Guardian four hours ago. Killer still at large. It's scary but I feel sure he will be caught soon. God, I hope so.

[LetsGoFlyAKiteee]

@Plumtree391

There is a person in custody at the moment.

I know the area a bit and it's Kidbrooke which is really not very nice. I wouldn't want to live there.

I think they've been released. Or 2 people they had suspected have since been.

[olivehater]

It’s everywhere. What are you in about? It’s even on cnn!

[genericuserneeded]

Also he had a car, so there’s a chance he bundled her into the car and drove to the park, hence not being detected en route

[Plumtree391]

Except those flats are c.£500k as they are marketed as blackHeath

They are indeed.

When I was looking on Rightmove at Blackheath, SE3, I avoided the Kidbrooke side (I'm not looking there now at all, it was a passing fancy). If you don't know the area, you may well think it's OK.

It has more appeal for younger people I think, they have less fear.

I wouldn't fancy walking around there on my own in the evening, frankly.

[genericuserneeded]

@OnlyFoolsnMothers He probably familiar with the area and knew it would have only taken him a few minutes to carry her into the park. A few minutes is enough of a time window to go without seeing someone else even in a relatively busy area.

As for young people going out, I reckon locals would have already left and been on the train to somewhere more trendy. This area isn’t particularly popular for nights out, let alone that exact route from her home to the park.

[OnlyFoolsnMothers]

@M4J4

Except those flats are c.£500k as they are marketed as blackHeath

Astell Road (where Sabina lived) looks lovely and apparently Cator Park is really peaceful. Ordinarily being steps away from a park is a great thing, but now I wonder is if it’s one more thing for women to be wary of.

It’s just like any other mass new build gentrified estate in London- wouldn’t say it’s anymore less safe than anywhere else.
I do find it unbelievable to think a man whacked her over the head and slung her over his should at 8.30 at night and no one saw- 100s of people live there, many young professionals who would be going out etc.

[M4J4]

Except those flats are c.£500k as they are marketed as blackHeath

Astell Road (where Sabina lived) looks lovely and apparently Cator Park is really peaceful. Ordinarily being steps away from a park is a great thing, but now I wonder is if it’s one more thing for women to be wary of.

[OnlyFoolsnMothers]

@Plumtree391

There is a person in custody at the moment.

I know the area a bit and it's Kidbrooke which is really not very nice. I wouldn't want to live there.

Except those flats are c.£500k as they are marketed as blackHeath

[Plumtree391]

There is a person in custody at the moment.

I know the area a bit and it's Kidbrooke which is really not very nice. I wouldn't want to live there.