Why is Sabina Nessa murder not all over the media?

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Such a tragic killing and sad, truly awful to hear about this murder.

Though I can't understand why, it doesn't get the same media/public attention as Sarah Everard who died in similarly tragic circumstances not long ago.

Both are equally tragic, two young women attacked in similar circumstances - the only difference I can see in these cases is the colour of their skin. Sarah's murder was everywhere - before we knew it was a police officer responsible.

Women had lined the streets in protest to make the country a safer place for women.

I can't help but notice where are these women protesting for Sabina? Or for the Killmarsh murders, or other women of colour?

The media treats women of colour - even to this day - very differently to white women.

It feels like the media are sending a clear message that black lives STILL 'don't matter' quite as much as their white counterparts.

@nyktipolos

As I said, it's because people have been calling out the lack of media attention that the media has now started reporting it properly. If you keep insisting that her race isn't why the coverage was so sparse initially, then yes, I'd say it's due to people like you that Sabina Nessa would be forgotten about.

But I didn't say that. I have clearly said several times that I believe race played a part. And you didn't say people like me. You said me, specifically.

Well then we're agreed. Ok, people who deny her race has anything to do with the low coverage are part of the reason why Sabina Nessa would have been forgotten about.

Why do you think you know more? Because you're from the same region? So am I. Why do you assume I haven't read as much as I can find? Because I have.

No, I am not from London.

I thought you said you are from a country in the same region as Bangladesh?

I didn't say more than you. I said more than alot of people, who claim to care. The ones that are complaining there no vigil when that has been on the main news and mentioned alot in the papers. People not knowing really anything about the case. Or people comparing it to completely different cases.

I don't actually believe you are from the region, I don't think you would be calling people 'vile' if you were.

I called you vile because YOU accused me of wanting Sabina to be forgotten. Despite not having a clue what I have written. Not for anything else.

Because it is a vile thing to say to someone. Especially, when most of your posts are claiming I have said things I haven't and have opinions I haven't expressed. You just decided what you think my opinion and its wrong.

No, I didn't say you wanted Sabina to be forgotten. I said if we left it to people like you (i.e. people who say her race isn't the reason for the sparse coverage) then she would be forgotten. But it seems we're in agreement at least that her race played a part.

I was thinking it was the very first story of daily Mail online last few days every time I’ve been on.

It still is. It’s one of the top stories on telegraph and times too.

@cadent I said I am from a similar background. The reason I posed me not from being from London as a question is because your question doesn't make sense. I could have been born next door to her and it wouldn't mean I knew more about the case. People who live very local to her, now do likely know more. Like it was known in the local area exactly who had been arrested for the multiple murders in Killamarsh, before details had been released.

You didn't say people like me. You said 'up to you' all because you assumed, that I have certain opinions which I don't. All because I objected to her being called black when she isn't.

You then extrapolated that onto me not caring about her or about Women of Colour in general. All because I objected to people, regardless of their wider opinion, of calling her black when she isn't and not bothering to spell her name correctly.

And this bothers me, because its usually done by people who want to appear as they though know and understand and then speak on race issues, but can't be arsed looking into anything about the actual victim.

Its a regular occurrence in the murder of PoC. It becomes less about the victim or even PoC and more about who can appear more virtuous. You can't believe that not a problem. The performative ally mindset.

I don't want to to continue argue as its not, productive. For anyone. But I am glad you understand, that I have never said race did not play a part. I just believe its one of many reasons, not a main reason.

[quote nyktipolos]@cadent I said I am from a similar background. The reason I posed me not from being from London as a question is because your question doesn't make sense. I could have been born next door to her and it wouldn't mean I knew more about the case. People who live very local to her, now do likely know more. Like it was known in the local area exactly who had been arrested for the multiple murders in Killamarsh, before details had been released.

You didn't say people like me. You said 'up to you' all because you assumed, that I have certain opinions which I don't. All because I objected to her being called black when she isn't.

You then extrapolated that onto me not caring about her or about Women of Colour in general. All because I objected to people, regardless of their wider opinion, of calling her black when she isn't and not bothering to spell her name correctly.

And this bothers me, because its usually done by people who want to appear as they though know and understand and then speak on race issues, but can't be arsed looking into anything about the actual victim.

Its a regular occurrence in the murder of PoC. It becomes less about the victim or even PoC and more about who can appear more virtuous. You can't believe that not a problem. The performative ally mindset.

I don't want to to continue argue as its not, productive. For anyone. But I am glad you understand, that I have never said race did not play a part. I just believe its one of many reasons, not a main reason.[/quote]
I didn't say more than you. I said more than alot of people, who claim to care.

Actually your words were "I know more about her than the majority on this thread, including you". Do you not realise how arrogant that sounds?

For whatever reason, you don't seem bothered that because of her race, all her death was receiving was a small paragraph in the papers.

I'm a woman of colour, from a neighbouring country to Bangladesh. Do not tell me I don't understand issues about race, I live them every damn day.

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I think there is often a lot more publicity when the Police have nothing to go on, as with Sarah Everard. Initially that was a missing person case and needed public involvement.

I've felt from the beginning that the Police have had some take on poor Sabina's murder, and have a sinking feeling it will be family members that have been arrested as some sort of revenge killing. Awful

@BrilloPaddy

I think there is often a lot more publicity when the Police have nothing to go on, as with Sarah Everard. Initially that was a missing person case and needed public involvement.

I've felt from the beginning that the Police have had some take on poor Sabina's murder, and have a sinking feeling it will be family members that have been arrested as some sort of revenge killing. Awful

Why?! Because she’s Asian? Please don’t make assumptions unless you know the facts.

It was stated in the media that the arrested man was known to her.

@BrilloPaddy

It was stated in the media that the arrested man was known to her.

@Cadent…

That makes it even worse, especially if was someone she quite liked and with whom she felt safe. It's dreadful.

Just because the killer was known to her, does not mean it was a member of her family.
I know loads of people that aren’t members of my family!
That is a racist assumption.

@Nuffaluff

Just because the killer was known to her, does not mean it was a member of her family. I know loads of people that aren’t members of my family! That is a racist assumption.

Exactly!

I see @Cadent is still ruining the thread by deliberately misinterpreting and misquoting what some people are saying.

It would seem the only person qualified to have an opinion- point of view or contribution is the fabulous @cadent who is the self nominated gatekeeper of caring the most.

No one cares more than cadent.

So sorry for Sabina and will be lighting a candle since nowhere near the Kidbrooke vigil.

Can't understand why her flatmate didn't report her missing nor the man she was meeting at the pub. Maybe he just thought he'd been stood up.

@Onyernelly

I see *@Cadent* is still ruining the thread by deliberately misinterpreting and misquoting what some people are saying.

It would seem the only person qualified to have an opinion- point of view or contribution is the fabulous @cadent who is the self nominated gatekeeper of caring the most.

No one cares more than cadent.

Care to give any examples or just making up shit as usual?

Where have I said I care the most? I’ve been challenging a poster who is saying she knows/cares the most, but of course you’re fine with anyone you agree claiming that!

I agree that the “arrested person being known to her” = “family member” is a bit racist

Someone known to her could be anyone from an ex to a school classmate. Just because she’s Asian, doesn’t immediately mean honour violence.

I don’t think the police would have posted the images of the man on cctv if it was her family member, presumably they could have identified him without the public

I agree that the “arrested person being known to her” = “family member” is a bit racist

^I’m afraid I agree with this. It is a racist assumption to make, seeing as there’s no actual reason to think that it’s a family member who committed this crime.

I looked through a magnifying glass at the CCTV of the man whom the police want to question; his looks as distinctive, I am sure someone will identify him.

Of course he may have nothing to do with the murder.

So now it appears this poor woman was struck leaving her communal entrance and carried by a male to the park. It does sadly point to her attacker being known to her. What a terrible and sad end.

It took The Guardian three days to report Sabina’s death after her body was found. The Metro was quicker off the mark but gave Sabina no more than a small paragraph buried in the paper. If you think that’s acceptable, ask yourself how you would feel if this had happened to a loved one. How often do we find the bodies of dead, young women in parks? To the people that say the Sarah Everard story was a “live” case and so demanded the extra media attention, I would argue the same is true of Sabina Nessa. Her killer is still out there. It comes as no surprise to me that the police arrested someone when public uproar kicked off, and subsequently let the man go. They had to be seen to do something.

@genericuserneeded

I agree that the “arrested person being known to her” = “family member” is a bit racist

Someone known to her could be anyone from an ex to a school classmate. Just because she’s Asian, doesn’t immediately mean honour violence.

I don’t think the police would have posted the images of the man on cctv if it was her family member, presumably they could have identified him without the public

Equally if you rule that out for fear of being seen to be racist you might fall into the trap of allowing Pakistani grooming gangs to rape young girls for years. Let’s call it out and then rule it out.

@FreeBritnee what on Earth have Pakistani grooming gangs got to do with this murder of a young woman?

You really need to stop shoe horning this in at every opportunity, particularly because the vast majority of grooming gangs in UK are made up of WHITE men.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your thinly veiled racism.

Is that really factual M4J4? I can't find data anywhere stating that the vast majority of UK grooming gangs are made up of White Men?

I think there is, as always, a racial element to how things are or aren't reported, but there are a lot of discrepancies across the board. Leah Croucher disappeared into thin air, lots of very odd turns followed her disappearance and still she hasn't been found, yet it had very little coverage. Antonino Coppola is another who has seemingly vanished into thin air with little press coverage. This is not meant as whatabouterry, but more musing I suppose as to whether there is a better way to try and seek information about missing or murdered people that's more effective.

I speak as a white woman with similar background to Sarah, living in south London. I also live a mile away from Kidbrooke, very close to Sabina.

Sarah struck a massive chord with the mainstream media and political classes because she had the profile of “that could have been me” or “it could have been my sister or girlfriend or my uni friend”. She had the familiar London story of growing up elsewhere, good university, moving to Clapham and having a London job. This is a very familiar story basically everyone in mainstream media etc, who mostly have similar a socio-economic background to Sarah - white, nice family, middle class. Even the Duchess of Cambridge felt it personally.

Sabina is in the news and people are angry but I would agree there is a race aspect. I would agree with others that Sarah was different due to the frantic search for her. But then I would counter that with it being very unlikely that the search would have been so high profile if the people transmitting the messages hadn’t felt personally despairing that someone like Sarah could go missing - ie “one of us”.

This morning we held a minute’s silence for Sabina at Parkrun.

This subject is hugely difficult and challenging. My heart goes out to Sabine’s family in this horrible time.