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Why is Sabina Nessa murder not all over the media?

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postingfortraffichere · 22/09/2021 23:45

Such a tragic killing and sad, truly awful to hear about this murder.

Though I can't understand why, it doesn't get the same media/public attention as Sarah Everard who died in similarly tragic circumstances not long ago.

Both are equally tragic, two young women attacked in similar circumstances - the only difference I can see in these cases is the colour of their skin. Sarah's murder was everywhere - before we knew it was a police officer responsible.

Women had lined the streets in protest to make the country a safer place for women.

I can't help but notice where are these women protesting for Sabina? Or for the Killmarsh murders, or other women of colour?

The media treats women of colour - even to this day - very differently to white women.

It feels like the media are sending a clear message that black lives STILL 'don't matter' quite as much as their white counterparts.

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JudgeJ · 23/09/2021 11:42

@postingfortraffichere

Such a tragic killing and sad, truly awful to hear about this murder.

Though I can't understand why, it doesn't get the same media/public attention as Sarah Everard who died in similarly tragic circumstances not long ago.

Both are equally tragic, two young women attacked in similar circumstances - the only difference I can see in these cases is the colour of their skin. Sarah's murder was everywhere - before we knew it was a police officer responsible.

Women had lined the streets in protest to make the country a safer place for women.

I can't help but notice where are these women protesting for Sabina? Or for the Killmarsh murders, or other women of colour?

The media treats women of colour - even to this day - very differently to white women.

It feels like the media are sending a clear message that black lives STILL 'don't matter' quite as much as their white counterparts.

Sorry to rain on your agenda but this murder has been all over the press since it happened.
JudgeJ · 23/09/2021 11:43

@Mothersister

Because she’s not white. It’s disgraceful and disappointing.
Pathetic comment, trying to incite opinions.
RiotAtTheRodeo · 23/09/2021 11:49

Aren't all threads on MN about inciting opinions? Confused

brokenbiscuitsx · 23/09/2021 12:03

@YourFinestPantaloons

Because she was black.

And uncomfortable truth, but a truth nonetheless. Racism is alive and well in Britain

She’s not black she’s asian. The irony of your post.
Charley50 · 23/09/2021 12:09

@Tal45

I think it's weird that there is so much about an American girl missing/murdered when it happens to people all the time here and there's hardly a word. I think that (ridiculously) it's down to the influence of social media, Gabby Petito and her boyfriend were all over SM making beautiful videos about their van life and had (I imagine) lots of followers, add to that the video of them being pulled over by the police and their popularity on SM and amount of 'interesting' information available on them has meant their story has been picked up by a lot of people including the media .

Personally I think it's awful that some murders get more coverage that others - would black SM stars get the same treatment? I've no idea. I find though that the news has become less and less about reporting what's going on and more and more about giving people what the media thinks they want, even unfortunately in the case of the BBC.

Last week, it was Guardian front page news when a black (or mixed heritage) British actress living in LA went missing. It was reported by them when she was found, alive and well, as well. Obviously it was only news because she's a fairly well-known actress.

On the point of older women: after a certain age, rapes of older women are not even included in UK rape statistics. What the f*^k is that about?!

VladmirsPoutine · 23/09/2021 12:11

On the point of older women: after a certain age, rapes of older women are not even included in UK rape statistics. What the f*k is that about?!^

Really??

Anoisagusaris · 23/09/2021 12:17

It’s a headline on the main Irish tv station’s website - www.rte.ie/news/uk/2021/0923/1248498-sabina-nessa-investigation/

Clawdy · 23/09/2021 12:17

Why are the Killamarsh murders being mentioned, none of the victims were black or Asian.

Anoisagusaris · 23/09/2021 12:18

@VladmirsPoutine

On the point of older women: after a certain age, rapes of older women are not even included in UK rape statistics. What the f*k is that about?!^

Really??

That cannot be correct.
nyktipolos · 23/09/2021 12:19

Which posts are you referring to? Some black and ethnic minorities do use 'black' to refer to women for colour.

The ones that refer to Sabina as an individual as black. Completely, erasing her actual heritage.

Not sure what Southall sister have to do with anything? We can all dig out an incorrect usage somewhere or other. Just because they use it, doesn't mean its correct? Or are you suggesting that because they use that, everyone else should just comply?

I know no Asian women who refer to themselves as black. Or that would be referred to as black.

Its definitely erasure and is definitely poor behaviour from those trying their best to be woke. Talking about Sabina and how her 'race' (inverted because race isn't the correct word at all) or rather ethnicity is playing the biggest part in her murder being under reported and people can't even be arsed being accurate about the victim.

AGameOfCrones · 23/09/2021 12:22

@VladmirsPoutine

On the point of older women: after a certain age, rapes of older women are not even included in UK rape statistics. What the f*k is that about?!^

Really??

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/sexualoffencesinenglandandwalesoverview/march2020
Why is Sabina Nessa murder not all over the media?
andyoldlabour · 23/09/2021 12:25

Due to the way data is collected, there is an age cutoff of 59 for sexual assaults, which is absolutely shameful.

theconversation.com/its-not-just-the-young-who-suffer-sexual-violence-older-people-get-raped-too-50994

andyoldlabour · 23/09/2021 12:26

Sorry, cross posted and with less up to date information.

CoffeeWithCheese · 23/09/2021 12:34

A schoolfriend (white - just because race is being discussed here) was murdered in a domestic violence related incident a few years ago now - very very brutal killing. She was, like Sabina, a primary teacher, and the media I think stayed back from the saturation coverage there in order to protect the school kids in her class. The only one who really went to town on it was the Daily Mail.

Just throwing it in as another factor out there.

Cadent · 23/09/2021 12:51

@nyktipolos

Which posts are you referring to? Some black and ethnic minorities do use 'black' to refer to women for colour.

The ones that refer to Sabina as an individual as black. Completely, erasing her actual heritage.

Not sure what Southall sister have to do with anything? We can all dig out an incorrect usage somewhere or other. Just because they use it, doesn't mean its correct? Or are you suggesting that because they use that, everyone else should just comply?

I know no Asian women who refer to themselves as black. Or that would be referred to as black.

Its definitely erasure and is definitely poor behaviour from those trying their best to be woke. Talking about Sabina and how her 'race' (inverted because race isn't the correct word at all) or rather ethnicity is playing the biggest part in her murder being under reported and people can't even be arsed being accurate about the victim.

I'm South Asian but don't have an issue with Southall Black Sister sisters including Asian women in their definition of 'black'. That's why I mentioned it, that black can be sometimes used as shorthand for black/Asian women.

I agree if people are erasing Sabina's culture then that's not acceptable, but I didn't really see that intention.

ithinkilikeit · 23/09/2021 13:23

@GCAcademic I have no accused anyone of lying. I do not know how many times I must reiterate it but I do not care what your race is. I was not accusing you of lying about it simply telling you that claiming you are a certain race does not being validity to your point. I think the only person engaging in bad faith arguments is you as you continue to deliberately mais the point of what people are saying to make yourself look better.

OverByYer · 23/09/2021 13:34

@EnidSpyton

What really matters here is that another woman has been murdered by a man. Male violence is an epidemic, it is killing women every single day, of every skin colour, every social class, etc. Rather than infighting over 'privilege' when it comes to media reporting of female victims of male violence, perhaps we could direct our energies to working together to publicise, protest about and push for change when it comes to male violence?

Last week we had the poor woman, her two children and her daughter's friend murdered in their beds by her boyfriend in the news.

This week it's Sabina.

A month or so ago the incel bloke on a rampage in Portsmouth, killing his mother before murdering bystanders.

In between these cases have been hundreds more that have gone totally unreported.

Why? Because they're often classed as 'isolated domestic violence' incidents.

Calling this violence 'domestic' minimises it and enables it to be brushed under the carpet. Anything to do with the domestic is automatically classed as to do with women and therefore of lesser importance.

Anything 'domestic' is also automatically labelled as 'isolated' - i.e. nothing to see here, move on, won't affect you. Absolute bollocks. All domestic violence cases are linked - linked to a wider societal acceptance of male violence which exists due to patriarchy and a sense of male entitlement which makes all women, everywhere, all the time, vulnerable to abuse and injury. If the same number of men were murdered by female partners as the other way around, there would be legislation, there would be task forces, there would be education, there would be outcry. But because it's 'just' women being obliterated off the face of the earth on a regular basis, no one in power does anything about it.

This is made even worse by the pathetic women who join the #notallmen chorus every time a woman is murdered. No, it's not all men. But it's ALWAYS MEN. Isn't it? Men kill men, men kill women. Male violence is a thing. It's statistically proven, in every society, all over the world, since time immemorial - in general, men are violent and women aren't. Just because your husband or son is lovely, doesn't mean you can ignore the fact that men in general are violent towards women. And if you include harrassment, heckling, groping, sexist comments, sex discrimination, etc within the terminology of 'violence' - then we're all experiencing this, every single day, and denial that we are is the greatest victory of the patriarchy, I'm afraid.

On the topic of the thread, yes, there is of course racial bias in the media, when it comes to everything. There is also class bias, location bias, etc. A poor white woman's murder, or a white prostitute's murder, is not going to get reported in the national news in the same way a middle or upper class white woman's murder will be. The murder of someone in London will undoubtedly get more attention than in Northumberland. A university educated black or Asian woman with a high flying career being murdered will generate much higher volumes of interest in the media than a benefit-collecting white woman's murder. Any murder related to suspected gang violence will be brushed under the carpet. This isn't just about race, and is just as much about class, actually - notice how Sabina's image in the press has been of her with her university degree - emphasising that this was an educated, professional woman. Had she been a single mum on a council estate, the press coverage would have been very different.However, comparing Sabina and Sarah is like comparing apples with oranges. Sarah Everard was missing for several days with the hope she would be found alive - much of the press coverage was appealing for witnesses to try and find her. Sabina was found already murdered and a suspect already arrested. There's no real 'hook' for the media to hang a story on there. Nonetheless, I disagree that she hasn't had plenty of media coverage. She has. As she should. I hope that the perpetrator is swiftly caught and rots in hell for all eternity. I grew up nearby and know where she was murdered well - it's a space I've always thought of as very safe and quiet, and again, just emphasises that male violence can happen to any of us, anywhere, any time. This is what we need to be uniting to fight. In order to protect all women, everywhere.

Excellent post. Well said.
Charley50 · 23/09/2021 13:53

@CoffeeWithCheese

A schoolfriend (white - just because race is being discussed here) was murdered in a domestic violence related incident a few years ago now - very very brutal killing. She was, like Sabina, a primary teacher, and the media I think stayed back from the saturation coverage there in order to protect the school kids in her class. The only one who really went to town on it was the Daily Mail.

Just throwing it in as another factor out there.

I think that's a good point.

DrSbaitso · 23/09/2021 14:00

On the point of older women: after a certain age, rapes of older women are not even included in UK rape statistics. What the f^k is that about?!*

What? Is there a link for this?

JudgeJ · 23/09/2021 14:08

@LampLighter414

We all know why, no need to pretend here
Oh do shed some light LampLighter dear. or are you merely being predicable? D0 some of the posters on this site ever read any other news outlets?
BoredZelda · 23/09/2021 14:11

Why do people pretend they don’t know the answer to this? Then post wide eyed, faux innocence about it?

JudgeJ · 23/09/2021 14:11

@Mothersister

Because she’s not white. It’s disgraceful and disappointing.
Anyone's murder is 'disappointing' and I mean irrespective of race, gender etc etc, unlike many on here I think we shoiuld all be treated equally.
nyktipolos · 23/09/2021 14:12

I agree if people are erasing Sabina's culture then that's not acceptable, but I didn't really see that intention.

You don't see the irony of talking about race, in regards to a specific woman and just using an incorrect catch all term for her race.

Her name is wrong AND people are incorrectly referring to her ethnicity.

Doesn't scream 'we really care about this individual womans death and how her race is impacting reporting' to me.

DrSbaitso · 23/09/2021 14:14

Ithink we shoiuld all be treated equally.

That would include acknowledging that some people are not being treated equally now....

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