Why is Sabina Nessa murder not all over the media?

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Such a tragic killing and sad, truly awful to hear about this murder.

Though I can't understand why, it doesn't get the same media/public attention as Sarah Everard who died in similarly tragic circumstances not long ago.

Both are equally tragic, two young women attacked in similar circumstances - the only difference I can see in these cases is the colour of their skin. Sarah's murder was everywhere - before we knew it was a police officer responsible.

Women had lined the streets in protest to make the country a safer place for women.

I can't help but notice where are these women protesting for Sabina? Or for the Killmarsh murders, or other women of colour?

The media treats women of colour - even to this day - very differently to white women.

It feels like the media are sending a clear message that black lives STILL 'don't matter' quite as much as their white counterparts.

*violence.

The point is you’re trying to imply people who are saying her race is a factor in low coverage don’t care about her. When that’s not the case.

Plenty of them don't, it's an opportunity to play the 'I am so virtuous' card. Like the op on another thread who decided that it wasn't being reported outside London until some point today which again, is bollocks.

And no, if you don't even bother to get details right about her, whatever side of the debate you are on, whilst claiming to understand the issue around those details. No I don't believe you care. If someone is insisting race isn't an issue and can't be arsed actually knowing what her race is, I would say they don't really care either.

Whilst not every case gets media attention, the cases that have got attention in the past are of white females.

Its a really specific type of white woman that gets coverage. I haven't denied that. I have denied race is part of it at all. But I don't think it's a main part of it. There's loads of factors that has meant less coverage, early on.

The only time the media cares when a black or brown woman or girl is killed is if it’s an honour killing (Banaz Mahmoud, Shafiliea Ahmed), because they can blame it on Asian culture.

I disagree. I think society and the press don't care about most women's deaths. I think honour killings in the UK are quite unusual, so therefore, they make big news. Personally, I would prefer to scrap the term 'honour killing. To me the term should be banned entirely though.

She is not being forgotten aboutnowbecause of the people saying she needs to be remembered. If we left to you, she would be forgotten. See attached example of how little people cared until people spoke out about the lack of fucks given.

You are actually vile. If it was up to me she would be forgotten?

I know more about her than the majority on this thread, including you because I cared enough to read and watch things about the case and Sabina, as a person. Not just a victim. Where exactly, have you got and evidence for the accusation, that I would allow her to be forgotten?

You don't. You just come up with something that's attention grabbing to try and silence other posters.

Again, you just need to make up shit to pretend you are just more virtuous than others and have to be right.

Plenty of them don't, it's an opportunity to play the 'I am so virtuous' card. Like the op on another thread who decided that it wasn't being reported outside London until some point today which again, is bollocks.

Unfortunately I agree there.

It has been on the Beeb several times?

Please don't tell me you are resentful of Madeline McCann, JanlieJones. Poor little girl has been missing for over ten years and probably dead. No amount of publicity and searching has found her.

The McCanns are fairly ordinary middle class people, not fabulously wealthy or privileged but they and friends knew how to go about keeping Madeline in the public eye, and raise funds. It hasn't worked though, has it.

The same with Ben Needham.

I can't bear to think of what those children went through and wish their parents could at least have closure.

Another highly publicised kidnapping in America was of Elizabeth Smart; there is a dramatised film about her called, "The Elizabeth Smart Story". It's worth watching.

Thank goodness, she was found alive and keeping her face in the public eye helped immensely. She went through Hell though, she was fourteen.

@JaniieJones

'If Madeline McCann was from a benefit reliant council homes child, would she have got the same amount of coverage?'

Yes. Shannon Matthews did.

Nope. ...she got media appeal because the bloke her mum lived with was weird and there were lots of whispers tgatbher mum had something to do with it.

I'm trying to write this carefully, as I am anxious not to offend anyone, but I think the investigation reporting and the despicably unchecked violence against women reporting should possibly be decoupled.

I saw the early reports of Sabina's murder and reflected on the relatively low coverage. Having read subsequently that the police had a suspect I wonder if there was initially an attempt to mute coverage in case the investigation was impeded. Now that suspect has been released, coverage is increasing (rightly) as the process of the investigation comes back under scrutiny as this very dangerous person is still at large.

The reporting of male violence against women, on the other hand, must and should be a focus of media and political attention. It is evident that this is not getting the attention it deserves, it is evident that there is race bias in the attention it does get. It is evident that women are at risk from and their freedoms curtailed by men and it's evident to women that nowhere near enough is being done to stop it in its tracks.

@Plumtree391

Please don't tell me you are resentful of Madeline McCann, JanlieJones. Poor little girl has been missing for over ten years and probably dead. No amount of publicity and searching has found her.

The McCanns are fairly ordinary middle class people, not fabulously wealthy or privileged but they and friends knew how to go about keeping Madeline in the public eye, and raise funds. It hasn't worked though, has it.

The same with Ben Needham.

I can't bear to think of what those children went through and wish their parents could at least have closure.

Another highly publicised kidnapping in America was of Elizabeth Smart; there is a dramatised film about her called, "The Elizabeth Smart Story". It's worth watching.

Thank goodness, she was found alive and keeping her face in the public eye helped immensely. She went through Hell though, she was fourteen.

Ermmmm who exactly is resentful of Madeleine?

'Please don't tell me you are resentful of Madeline McCann, JanlieJones. Poor little girl has been missing for over ten years and probably dead'

What?! Why would I be 'resentful'? It is tragic. A pp said the case would not have got the same coverage if they were from a council house I corrected them and said of course it would have, Shannon Matthew's abduction did.

How disappointing that this thread has been tainted by in-fighting amongst the people on it.

There are many interesting points to raise about the under-reporting of murders of women generally (most of whom are killed by men they are or have been in a relationship with) and why some make the news headlines and some don't. Sabina's killer is still at large so people feel it is more scary. All the time we are forgetting the women and children who live with violent men day in day out.

Are we forgetting them? I wouldn't have thought so.

The poor girl's murder was on the news again this evening. Oh I do hope the murderer is found, it's so horrible.

I think the poster said somethng like, "If Madeline came from a council house there wouldn't have been.....".

@Plumtree391 picking up on @Chicchicchicchiclana point I think it's easy (probably not the right word) to forget because the cases that are reported flame out as media attention diverts or aren't reported due to media bias. Because cases are reported individually the impact of numbers is lost.

If violence against women crimes were reported in the same way as, for instance gun crime, the emphasis would be on numbers. We read all the time "50th London Shooting This Year", what we don't see is "1000th Violent Attack on Women".

It should be obvious to anyone with a OhD in sociology that the differences between Sarah Everard and Sabina Nessa are about more than just race.

Do you mean PhD? Since probably we don't, could you elaborate?

Of course it is due to the race. Race and classism. It always is in Britain. It pains me to my core that people don’t understand this.

I do (typo). There are all sorts of factors in play, race is very plausibly one but you can't reduce a complex set of circumstances like this to a single factor. I was replying to someone on page three originally.

I mainly use the BBC website. It's been all over it.

An arrest has just been made; it,'s the top story.

Yes. Shannon Matthews did.

Same amount? Maybe. Same type? Not a bit of it. Far more negativity for Shannon’s supporters, a lot of it was quite sneers.

It also came hot on the heels of McCann and I would wager that news outlets specifically chose to maximise coverage knowing what would be said if they didn’t.

@AICM

I mainly use the BBC website. It's been all over it.

An arrest has just been made; it,'s the top story.

Thanks for that update.

I find this thread very sad. A young woman has died. A young woman who was teaching our children. Yet people are bickering over whether her death is being perceived as less important than another, and involving other tragedies in this.
Such bickering diminishes us all.

It's just awful. May she rest in peace.

@nyktipolos

You are actually vile. If it was up to me she would be forgotten?

As I said, it's because people have been calling out the lack of media attention that the media has now started reporting it properly. If you keep insisting that her race isn't why the coverage was so sparse initially, then yes, I'd say it's due to people like you that Sabina Nessa would be forgotten about.

I know more about her than the majority on this thread, including you because I cared enough to read and watch things about the case and Sabina, as a person. Not just a victim. Where exactly, have you got and evidence for the accusation, that I would allow her to be forgotten?

Why do you think you know more? Because you're from the same region? So am I. Why do you assume I haven't read as much as I can find? Because I have.

I don't actually believe you are from the region, I don't think you would be calling people 'vile' if you were.

You don't. You just come up with something that's attention grabbing to try and silence other posters.

Again, you just need to make up shit to pretend you are just more virtuous than others and have to be right.

Yep starting to think you're pretending you're from the region.

What irritates me about some responses here is that people are saying the focus should be about male violence - I agree with that.

But why does it need to be and either or? Why can't we campaign for both? Why is it we should forget about the race angle and only focus on male violence and vice versa? Why do the two have to be mutually exclusive?

I agree with some posters in that my initial post was probably dismissive of other factors in addition to race but it annoys me people are almost outraged at the race part and ONLY want to focus on the gender part and highlight every other issue of this case BUT race.

How would those posters feel if a man was trying to deny this is a gender issue?

@Willyoujustbequiet

It's all over / headline news on Sky this morning but why let the truth get in the way of a goady post.

As you can see I posted this last night so wouldn't have seen sky news this morning

As I said, it's because people have been calling out the lack of media attention that the media has now started reporting it properly. If you keep insisting that her race isn't why the coverage was so sparse initially, then yes, I'd say it's due to people like you that Sabina Nessa would be forgotten about.

But I didn't say that. I have clearly said several times that I believe race played a part. And you didn't say people like me. You said me, specifically.

Why do you think you know more? Because you're from the same region? So am I. Why do you assume I haven't read as much as I can find? Because I have.

No, I am not from London.

I didn't say more than you. I said more than alot of people, who claim to care. The ones that are complaining there no vigil when that has been on the main news and mentioned alot in the papers. People not knowing really anything about the case. Or people comparing it to completely different cases.

I don't actually believe you are from the region, I don't think you would be calling people 'vile' if you were.

I called you vile because YOU accused me of wanting Sabina to be forgotten. Despite not having a clue what I have written. Not for anything else.

Because it is a vile thing to say to someone. Especially, when most of your posts are claiming I have said things I haven't and have opinions I haven't expressed. You just decided what you think my opinion and its wrong.