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Why is Sabina Nessa murder not all over the media?

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postingfortraffichere · 22/09/2021 23:45

Such a tragic killing and sad, truly awful to hear about this murder.

Though I can't understand why, it doesn't get the same media/public attention as Sarah Everard who died in similarly tragic circumstances not long ago.

Both are equally tragic, two young women attacked in similar circumstances - the only difference I can see in these cases is the colour of their skin. Sarah's murder was everywhere - before we knew it was a police officer responsible.

Women had lined the streets in protest to make the country a safer place for women.

I can't help but notice where are these women protesting for Sabina? Or for the Killmarsh murders, or other women of colour?

The media treats women of colour - even to this day - very differently to white women.

It feels like the media are sending a clear message that black lives STILL 'don't matter' quite as much as their white counterparts.

OP posts:
RussianSpy101 · 23/09/2021 14:16

@WishingYouAMerryChristmasToo the man they’ve arrested is her new partner. She was pregnant with his child at the time of her death.
He has only recently gotten out of prison for another violent offence.

Cadent · 23/09/2021 14:18

@nyktipolos

I agree if people are erasing Sabina's culture then that's not acceptable, but I didn't really see that intention.

You don't see the irony of talking about race, in regards to a specific woman and just using an incorrect catch all term for her race.

Her name is wrong AND people are incorrectly referring to her ethnicity.

Doesn't scream 'we really care about this individual womans death and how her race is impacting reporting' to me.

Yes, I know her name has been spelt wrong, I've been correcting people.

Her name was also misspelt by people denying her race is factor in the low coverage, but you don't seem concerned by those people.

Cadent · 23/09/2021 14:22

[quote RussianSpy101]@WishingYouAMerryChristmasToo the man they’ve arrested is her new partner. She was pregnant with his child at the time of her death.
He has only recently gotten out of prison for another violent offence.[/quote]
Who are you talking about? You really need to quote.

AGameOfCrones · 23/09/2021 14:39

@DrSbaitso

On the point of older women: after a certain age, rapes of older women are not even included in UK rape statistics. What the f^k is that about?!*

What? Is there a link for this?

I posted a link and screenshot above showing the cut off has been raised to 74
DrSbaitso · 23/09/2021 14:44

Sorry, @AGameOfCrones, I missed it. Thank you.

What the fuck.

nyktipolos · 23/09/2021 14:45

Her name was also misspelt by people denying her race is factor in the low coverage, but you don't seem concerned by those people.

In regards to getting her name and/or race right I haven't mentioned wether those posters are of one opinion of another.

I am talking about all posters who are posting that she is black or getting her name wrong.

Regardless of their opinion, if they give a shit enough to post they should know the basics about her. Especially the op.

Don't presume to know what I am or am not concerned about.

Itsbeen84yearss · 23/09/2021 14:47

I don’t like the way they’ve used that pic of her pouting with a filter on and the repeated mentioning of her going on a date. Is it me?

nyktipolos · 23/09/2021 15:00

@Itsbeen84yearss

I don’t like the way they’ve used that pic of her pouting with a filter on and the repeated mentioning of her going on a date. Is it me?
I don't see anything wrong with the photo. It's likely one the family have released. If not then I may have an issue with it. It's shows a young women.

The main picture they have been using is her graduation photo.

Also the only time I have seen a date being mentioned is when a friend was quoted as saying it was date.

The rest have said going to meet a friend.

LimitIsUp · 23/09/2021 16:03

I've read about this poor young woman in the Times. There have been at least two articles. Awful, heinous murder

NautaOcts · 23/09/2021 16:06

I thought this too
I really really hope it’s not because of the colour of their skin.
Maybe it’s as a pp poster said that there was a high profile missing persons thing first for Sarah then people were shocked at the turn of events when it was a serving police officer

Cadent · 23/09/2021 16:06

@nyktipolos

Her name was also misspelt by people denying her race is factor in the low coverage, but you don't seem concerned by those people.

In regards to getting her name and/or race right I haven't mentioned wether those posters are of one opinion of another.

I am talking about all posters who are posting that she is black or getting her name wrong.

Regardless of their opinion, if they give a shit enough to post they should know the basics about her. Especially the op.

Don't presume to know what I am or am not concerned about.

When you post 'Doesn't scream 'we really care about this individual womans death and how her race is impacting reporting' to me' it's pretty obvious where your concerns lie.

You're presuming an awful lot about people's intentions. All I see is lots of people disheartened by yet another forgotten about woman of colour.

LizzieW1969 · 23/09/2021 16:23

**EnidSpyton
What really matters here is that another woman has been murdered by a man. Male violence is an epidemic, it is killing women every single day, of every skin colour, every social class, etc. Rather than infighting over 'privilege' when it comes to media reporting of female victims of male violence, perhaps we could direct our energies to working together to publicise, protest about and push for change when it comes to male violence?

Last week we had the poor woman, her two children and her daughter's friend murdered in their beds by her boyfriend in the news.

This week it's Sabina.

A month or so ago the incel bloke on a rampage in Portsmouth, killing his mother before murdering bystanders.

In between these cases have been hundreds more that have gone totally unreported.

Why? Because they're often classed as 'isolated domestic violence' incidents.

Calling this violence 'domestic' minimises it and enables it to be brushed under the carpet. Anything to do with the domestic is automatically classed as to do with women and therefore of lesser importance.

Anything 'domestic' is also automatically labelled as 'isolated' - i.e. nothing to see here, move on, won't affect you. Absolute bollocks. All domestic violence cases are linked - linked to a wider societal acceptance of male violence which exists due to patriarchy and a sense of male entitlement which makes all women, everywhere, all the time, vulnerable to abuse and injury. If the same number of men were murdered by female partners as the other way around, there would be legislation, there would be task forces, there would be education, there would be outcry. But because it's 'just' women being obliterated off the face of the earth on a regular basis, no one in power does anything about it.

This is made even worse by the pathetic women who join the #notallmen chorus every time a woman is murdered. No, it's not all men. But it's ALWAYS MEN. Isn't it? Men kill men, men kill women. Male violence is a thing. It's statistically proven, in every society, all over the world, since time immemorial - in general, men are violent and women aren't. Just because your husband or son is lovely, doesn't mean you can ignore the fact that men in general are violent towards women. And if you include harrassment, heckling, groping, sexist comments, sex discrimination, etc within the terminology of 'violence' - then we're all experiencing this, every single day, and denial that we are is the greatest victory of the patriarchy, I'm afraid.

On the topic of the thread, yes, there is of course racial bias in the media, when it comes to everything. There is also class bias, location bias, etc. A poor white woman's murder, or a white prostitute's murder, is not going to get reported in the national news in the same way a middle or upper class white woman's murder will be. The murder of someone in London will undoubtedly get more attention than in Northumberland. A university educated black or Asian woman with a high flying career being murdered will generate much higher volumes of interest in the media than a benefit-collecting white woman's murder. Any murder related to suspected gang violence will be brushed under the carpet. This isn't just about race, and is just as much about class, actually - notice how Sabina's image in the press has been of her with her university degree - emphasising that this was an educated, professional woman. Had she been a single mum on a council estate, the press coverage would have been very different.However, comparing Sabina and Sarah is like comparing apples with oranges. Sarah Everard was missing for several days with the hope she would be found alive - much of the press coverage was appealing for witnesses to try and find her. Sabina was found already murdered and a suspect already arrested. There's no real 'hook' for the media to hang a story on there. Nonetheless, I disagree that she hasn't had plenty of media coverage. She has. As she should. I hope that the perpetrator is swiftly caught and rots in hell for all eternity. I grew up nearby and know where she was murdered well - it's a space I've always thought of as very safe and quiet, and again, just emphasises that male violence can happen to any of us, anywhere, any time. This is what we need to be uniting to fight. In order to protect all women, everywhere.**

^I agree with this totally. There has been a lot of coverage, and rightly so. But there have been so many other murdered women who have barely been mentioned at all, 180 between last year’s and this year’s International Women’s Day, as Sadiq Kahn reminded us today.

OverByYer · 23/09/2021 17:08

@DrSbaitso

On the point of older women: after a certain age, rapes of older women are not even included in UK rape statistics. What the f^k is that about?!*

What? Is there a link for this?

Bollocks
superplumb · 23/09/2021 17:12

Sadly, I expect it's because she wasnt white. That poor pcos was murdered quite soon after sarah and there were no vigils for her...because she was older perhaps, not quite so photogenic.

superplumb · 23/09/2021 17:19

Slightly misunderstood
Police do ( and I have) crimed rapes and sexual assaults on older ladies (sometimes well over 74). This report is about respondent surveys in order to understand stats on victims...it forsnt mean the police wont record it if you are over an age. Legally we must record all crimes unless police have evidence to the contrary a crime hasnt happened which rarely happens.

WoodburnersRUs · 23/09/2021 17:21

GB News just did a segment on her - the man being interviewed referred to Sarah Everard and the sisters Bibaa Henry and Nicole Small as comparators saying that the link between them all and the reason that these murdered women are high profile is that they were murdered by strangers which is more unusual than women being murdered by partners. I was a) surprised GB news would devote coverage to it and b) pleased that he didn’t only refer to the murders of white women.

superplumb · 23/09/2021 17:22

@LizzieW1969

**EnidSpyton What really matters here is that another woman has been murdered by a man. Male violence is an epidemic, it is killing women every single day, of every skin colour, every social class, etc. Rather than infighting over 'privilege' when it comes to media reporting of female victims of male violence, perhaps we could direct our energies to working together to publicise, protest about and push for change when it comes to male violence?

Last week we had the poor woman, her two children and her daughter's friend murdered in their beds by her boyfriend in the news.

This week it's Sabina.

A month or so ago the incel bloke on a rampage in Portsmouth, killing his mother before murdering bystanders.

In between these cases have been hundreds more that have gone totally unreported.

Why? Because they're often classed as 'isolated domestic violence' incidents.

Calling this violence 'domestic' minimises it and enables it to be brushed under the carpet. Anything to do with the domestic is automatically classed as to do with women and therefore of lesser importance.

Anything 'domestic' is also automatically labelled as 'isolated' - i.e. nothing to see here, move on, won't affect you. Absolute bollocks. All domestic violence cases are linked - linked to a wider societal acceptance of male violence which exists due to patriarchy and a sense of male entitlement which makes all women, everywhere, all the time, vulnerable to abuse and injury. If the same number of men were murdered by female partners as the other way around, there would be legislation, there would be task forces, there would be education, there would be outcry. But because it's 'just' women being obliterated off the face of the earth on a regular basis, no one in power does anything about it.

This is made even worse by the pathetic women who join the #notallmen chorus every time a woman is murdered. No, it's not all men. But it's ALWAYS MEN. Isn't it? Men kill men, men kill women. Male violence is a thing. It's statistically proven, in every society, all over the world, since time immemorial - in general, men are violent and women aren't. Just because your husband or son is lovely, doesn't mean you can ignore the fact that men in general are violent towards women. And if you include harrassment, heckling, groping, sexist comments, sex discrimination, etc within the terminology of 'violence' - then we're all experiencing this, every single day, and denial that we are is the greatest victory of the patriarchy, I'm afraid.

On the topic of the thread, yes, there is of course racial bias in the media, when it comes to everything. There is also class bias, location bias, etc. A poor white woman's murder, or a white prostitute's murder, is not going to get reported in the national news in the same way a middle or upper class white woman's murder will be. The murder of someone in London will undoubtedly get more attention than in Northumberland. A university educated black or Asian woman with a high flying career being murdered will generate much higher volumes of interest in the media than a benefit-collecting white woman's murder. Any murder related to suspected gang violence will be brushed under the carpet. This isn't just about race, and is just as much about class, actually - notice how Sabina's image in the press has been of her with her university degree - emphasising that this was an educated, professional woman. Had she been a single mum on a council estate, the press coverage would have been very different.However, comparing Sabina and Sarah is like comparing apples with oranges. Sarah Everard was missing for several days with the hope she would be found alive - much of the press coverage was appealing for witnesses to try and find her. Sabina was found already murdered and a suspect already arrested. There's no real 'hook' for the media to hang a story on there. Nonetheless, I disagree that she hasn't had plenty of media coverage. She has. As she should. I hope that the perpetrator is swiftly caught and rots in hell for all eternity. I grew up nearby and know where she was murdered well - it's a space I've always thought of as very safe and quiet, and again, just emphasises that male violence can happen to any of us, anywhere, any time. This is what we need to be uniting to fight. In order to protect all women, everywhere.**

^I agree with this totally. There has been a lot of coverage, and rightly so. But there have been so many other murdered women who have barely been mentioned at all, 180 between last year’s and this year’s International Women’s Day, as Sadiq Kahn reminded us today.

Agree. Sadly the same when children go missing. If Madeline McCann was from a benefit reliant council homes child, would she have got the same amount of coverage? I suspect not. Child is a child and a murder is a murder regardless of who the victim is
WoodburnersRUs · 23/09/2021 17:22

Smallman. Sorry, autocorrect. Nicole Smallman.

nyktipolos · 23/09/2021 17:24

When you post 'Doesn't scream 'we really care about this individual womans death and how her race is impacting reporting' to me' it's pretty obvious where your concerns lie.

Yes, it's doesn't scream that people care. Any side of the debate. I can't say that there's been any posts from people who claim not to care? So it would apply to all on the thread. The only reason you would think its aimed at only one side, is if only one side is saying these things. If that's the case why? What do they gain out of of it?

You're presuming an awful lot about people's intentions. All I see is lots of people disheartened by yet another forgotten about woman of colour.

I see a lot of people completely ignoring the massive differences between this case and others.

Ignoring the fact its actually a small amount of women that actually get alot of coverage, even when white. I mentioned several cases that barely made the national news, outside London concerning white women. Why didn't their cases are bug news?

This case has been compared by people on here to 2 cases that are completely different to this one. Anyone who cares to look at the detail can see the differences

Sabina has not and was not forgotten. Anyone who thinks she has is causing their own upset.

HeadPain · 23/09/2021 17:25

If you look into it lots of women of all ethnicities are missing and/or murdered up and down the country and its not covered in main media. It was unusual that Sarah everard case was covered to the extent it was and generated such a movement.

Btw there have been 2 or 3 Asian women found dead and burned quite recently in the UK and nobody talking about it at all, except right wingers.

SueSaid · 23/09/2021 17:34

'If Madeline McCann was from a benefit reliant council homes child, would she have got the same amount of coverage?'

Yes. Shannon Matthews did.

Nuffaluff · 23/09/2021 17:41

Sabina’s murder is the third story down on my BBC news headlines page.
This is a new update from a couple of hours ago. I read another story about her yesterday, also on the front page. Her murder is being covered, prominently.

Annoyedanddissapointed · 23/09/2021 17:43

@JaniieJones

'If Madeline McCann was from a benefit reliant council homes child, would she have got the same amount of coverage?'

Yes. Shannon Matthews did.

Coverage. Yes. Continuous funding. Doubt it
Cadent · 23/09/2021 17:59

@nyktipolos

When you post 'Doesn't scream 'we really care about this individual womans death and how her race is impacting reporting' to me' it's pretty obvious where your concerns lie.

Yes, it's doesn't scream that people care. Any side of the debate. I can't say that there's been any posts from people who claim not to care? So it would apply to all on the thread. The only reason you would think its aimed at only one side, is if only one side is saying these things. If that's the case why? What do they gain out of of it?

You're presuming an awful lot about people's intentions. All I see is lots of people disheartened by yet another forgotten about woman of colour.

I see a lot of people completely ignoring the massive differences between this case and others.

Ignoring the fact its actually a small amount of women that actually get alot of coverage, even when white. I mentioned several cases that barely made the national news, outside London concerning white women. Why didn't their cases are bug news?

This case has been compared by people on here to 2 cases that are completely different to this one. Anyone who cares to look at the detail can see the differences

Sabina has not and was not forgotten. Anyone who thinks she has is causing their own upset.

Yes, it's doesn't scream that people care. Any side of the debate. I can't say that there's been any posts from people who claim not to care? So it would apply to all on the thread. The only reason you would think its aimed at only one side, is if only one side is saying these things. If that's the case why? What do they gain out of of it?

The point is you’re trying to imply people who are saying her race is a factor in low coverage don’t care about her. When that’s not the case.

Whilst not every case gets media attention, the cases that have got attention in the past are of white females.

The only time the media cares when a black or brown woman or girl is killed is if it’s an honour killing (Banaz Mahmoud, Shafiliea Ahmed), because they can blame it on Asian culture.

Sabina has not and was not forgotten. Anyone who thinks she has is causing their own upset.

She is not being forgotten about now because of the people saying she needs to be remembered. If we left to you, she would be forgotten. See attached example of how little people cared until people spoke out about the lack of fucks given.

Why is Sabina Nessa murder not all over the media?
Paddingtonthebear · 23/09/2021 18:07

I’m hours from London and I’ve heard at least 5 news reports about Sabina, it’s all over the news outlets online too. I’m in a hair salon right now and there’s just been a news report about it on radio 1 too. I don’t think it’s lacking coverage. Sarah Everard went missing at first and had friends doing a huge amount of campaigning from the start and it built from there. What has happened to Sabina, and all of these women is just horrific. I agree the focus needs to be on male violence’s