to just be sick of men..

[crochetmonkey74]

Caught by accident two family men known to me discussing how they'd 'got their own pictures' of a dance teacher who was teaching their 6 year old daughters. They were with their wives and children, both supposedly Christian - both in their early 30s so not a generational thing as is often trotted out. It occured to me that when they were dating their wives they would have been MORTIFIED for these new shiny women to hear them being so gross yet now the wives have committed, given them children, become part of the furniture they are supposed to listen to any old shit.
And yes, I know that there are loads of you who will say 'my DH /DP would never dream of doing this' so obviously I am not talking about them- is anyone else just fed up of continually being disappointed even by men you previously liked or trusted?
I know I am being ranty but i'm going with it!

@crochetmonkey74

It's no wonder women don't want to report this stuff- I'm an average woman on a mainly female forum talking about my lived experience and people are more inclined to give the men who did this the benefit of the doubt rather than think I might actually be telling the truth.

Cue next posters telling me my truth is wrong/ my thread title is wrong/ I wasn't even there/ the men were just talking about some other pictures with an entirely un-wanking vibe : )

I was thinking this. Its actually really concerning that so many women feel the need to be so proactive in defending male inappropriate behaviour. At least with the behaviour itself its there in front of you so you see what you're up against. The 'hidden' support of it from women still catches me unawares.

Yes, because women have committed themselves and their lives to men like this. They feel bound to defend them, to portray lechery and porn use etc as normal, because to do otherwise would challenge their own choices, their lifestyles, their lives.

Because for them, just like you, confronting and condemning this stuff is hard. Really hard.

I'm finding it loads at work at the moment, men who I would have thought were mates and decent being pure pervs!

@ThePearSquare

Yep, absolutely sick of them. I’m sick the pervy, creepy, stalky ones. I’m sick of the sexist, rapist, murdering ones. I’m sick of the paedophiles who shout disgusting things at schoolgirls out of car windows every time I take my daughter to school, thankfully not to my 4 year old, but they’ll happily shout out to 11 year olds walking alone. I’m SICK of the men who make excuses for the other shit head men they surround themselves with and know by extension as “it’s just a joke”. It’s not a fucking joke, this is our fucking lives. Every. Fucking. Day. The world would be a better place without the vast majority of them, and I’m not even sorry if you’re offended. Nothing can change my mind so don’t bother lecturing me men of the internet, your thoughts and feelings mean exactly nothing to me. Oh, and my absolutely wonderful husband agrees. Men are fucking terrible.

The way your post is coming across, it would seem like you have bagged only one of the maybe, 5 decent men out there.

And many of those women who are married to this men, have essentially been trapped, then caught unawares.

The mid-30s+ year-old successful career-man and dad is a different person from the charmingly self-doubting 20-something they met and married. Smugness, pomposity and a sense of entitlement emerge out of the experience of power.

I think it is really worrying and problematic for most women who have men in their lives. Who always think that the men who do any of this shit cannot be their son, father, brother or husband. When it is quite clear that they can and do to a greater or lesser extent. I don’t blame women, but given the evidence, they are naive if they can’t see the problem.

@lottiegarbanzo

And many of those women who are married to this men, have essentially been trapped, then caught unawares.

The mid-30s+ year-old successful career-man and dad is a different person from the charmingly self-doubting 20-something they met and married. Smugness, pomposity and a sense of entitlement emerge out of the experience of power.

This is an excellent point.

@lottiegarbanzo

And many of those women who are married to this men, have essentially been trapped, then caught unawares.

The mid-30s+ year-old successful career-man and dad is a different person from the charmingly self-doubting 20-something they met and married. Smugness, pomposity and a sense of entitlement emerge out of the experience of power.

Wow! this has really hit the nail on the head in a way I had not understood before!

@lottiegarbanzo Wow, you have really hit it on the head! I hadn’t thought about it from that point of view.

lottiegarbanzo that is exactly how my ex developed as he aged. Arrogant and sexist, where he'd been the opposite (at least the first) in his 20s.

That post about how men aren't at risk from women by total contrast to a woman's appearance being commented on by a group of males also Totally hits the nail on the head in terms of the situation and implications being incomparable.

And the posters defending men with every breath honestly make me sick. There are great men out there, my dad, brothers and bf being 4 of them but shit there so many bastards.

I know I am very fortunate in that I have a really lovely, caring and kind husband, who hates any abuse of women as much as I do.

Over the years I have lost count of the number of men who have sexually assaulted me, bullied and belittled me. Yet I always felt I had to go along with it and their feelings and wants always had to take priority over mine. Started off with being sexually assaulted at the age of 4. So yes, rather often, I just feel so sick of men too.

Men do stuff, women do stuff.

Congratulations OP, you got a #notallmen in 1 reply.

👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼

@seaandsandcastles

And I’m sure there are lots of men who are just sick of women for X, Y and X.

Men aren’t one homogeneous group so don’t treat them like one.

Have a day off mate. 🙄