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To have had enough of sex?!

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PandaEyed13 · 20/09/2021 10:42

Back story: Sex! Me and hubby started out the way most young people do - couldn't get enough! Day, night and anything in-between!

Present day: It's 11 years, 2 children, a house to run and 2 full time jobs later! I'm knackered, I really am! The old libido isn't what it used to be and it's because of a mix of things really - I had a difficult birth with my 2nd baby 4 years ago, I had a forceps delivery and an episiotomy, there was a lot of stitches, a long healing time and a lot of scar tissue, sex has only just started to stop feeling tender down there over the last year. Plus I'm older, a bit creakier, a teeny bit heavier, a lot sleepier and juggling a few different roles; I'm wife, mum, employee, carer as our youngest has special needs, cook, cleaner and so many others that the role of minx just doesn't feel like it's really me anymore - and I'm ok with it! The problem isn't the actual act itself, it's not boring or flat when we do it, it's great! The bottom line on the topic really is that I just don't need it as much anymore, I don't get as much as I used to get from it when I was 23 and to be honest..as bad as it sounds..once a month would suit me down to the ground!
However, DH would have it every night if he could, his own drive is much higher. So I do try! Nowadays, it's twice a week. That's not the problem though, the problem is he pesters every night. Literally every night, as soon as the kids have gone to bed, while I'm sat there on the couch watching TV at 8:30pm, it starts! Every night.
He sulks like a child and refuses to talk to me for the rest of the night on the ones that I say "not tonight dear." I do not over exaggerate, he does not talk to me until well into the next day!
He refuses to take matters into his own hands (excuse the pun), as in, he will not 'self love' if you know what I mean, because apparently that is my job! He says it's naff and that it's like hoping for a takeaway pizza and having to settle for cheese on toast!
Any time a saucy scene comes on the TV he huffs and makes some sarky remark like "hmm wonder what that's like!" or "I wouldn't know mate!" I spend most evenings getting ignored, getting the cold shoulder and alone, as he stomps off to sit in the other room and sulk.
I'm beginning to become resentful. I'm finding myself relenting and doing it anyway on times when I really just don't want to. I don't think any of the way he acts towards me in these moments of what he believes to be rejection is acceptable. I feel like we're constantly walking shaky ground that wobbles between emotional blackmail and sexual harassment! He doesn't talk to anyone about these things, he tells nobody because apparently this just isn't the sort of thing mates talk about, so I feel like there's nobody to say to him, "best not treat her like shit because you didn't get it, that's straddling a line there mate/love/dear!" I'm the only one who ever tells him it's not OK to act this way because you didn't get some, but he obviously just thinks I'm talking crap as I'm the one on the opposing side of his argument and calls me a boring old housemaid!
In less charged moments, we have talked and I have been totally honest about how I feel about it all personally. I've openly explained I just don't have as high a drive as him anymore and told him my reasons, but promised to make more effort to meet his needs if he felt like physical connection is a more important part of the relationship to him. And I do, as I say - twice a week is me reeeaaally giving it my all. He in return vows to lay off a bit more and to possibly see to himself on occasions, because in these less charged moments of daylight clarity, he does feel mortified at how his behaviour looks towards me when he gets like he does. But the next day, as soon as the kids have gone up, it's all forgotten again and it's back to the mithering for it like a teenage boy and sulking and freezing me out and slamming drawers and doors!
In every other aspect of life and our relationship he's brill. Great dad, good laugh, works hard, my family and friends love him, pulls his weight round the house. We're the absolute best of friends and we adore being with each other, we'd be together every minute if we could. I have no trust issues or worry and have 100% confidence that his head will never be turned or that he'll go looking elsewhere! But there's this private problem that is threatening to swallow everything else up and I honestly do believe that it would eventually be a relationship ender some day down the line should things continue the way they are, because I'm at my limit! I don't want to feel pressured/cajoled/bullied into doing the deed when I don't want to anymore! I'm starting to ask myself difficult questions about the acceptability of his behaviour and whether or not I'm experiencing some form of manipulation!
And I know I'm lucky to still have my partner want and desire me so much after all these years, I do factor that in but it's started to become a question of "does he want ME or does he just want IT?" Especially the last couple of years, he's always had a high sex drive but it's been something else over the last couple of years, it's become next level desperation almost!
I guess what I think at this point is that if he still has a sky high drive, and I don't, and I'm trying, but he still has a daily need - he should go take a long shower! I don't think I should be 100% responsible for his sexual satisfaction. Seriously, just back off and go have 10 minutes to yourself! AIBU?

OP posts:
RainyMondays · 20/09/2021 19:16

@DrSbaitso

The number of men who don't realise that how you treat your wife in your everyday life is foreplay.
This. 1000%
QueenBee52 · 20/09/2021 19:20

[quote BreadPita]@QueenBee52
You are blaming OP ..
No, I'm not. I'm saying that most people are not great a keeping their resentment under wraps and it's easy to see why both parties would be resentful.
I haven't ascribed any moral judgement, I've simply stated that in this case, one person getting what they want means that the other person is getting something they actively do not want.[/quote]

You're still blaming OP

RIPIgglePiggle · 20/09/2021 19:21

Oh OP I can see this has really upset you and some of the responses have made you see this in a way you haven’t before.

You really do need to talk about this seriously and it has to stop. That either means counselling or ending the relationship. I strongly suggest you stop having sex altogether until you sort this out because the line of consent here is a mess.

You say he won’t touch you unless you seem enthusiastic but if you are going to be given the silent treatment then he’s manipulated you into acting enthusiastic about something you don’t really want. He also wants you to do that more often.

I wholly agree that sex is sometimes a compromise of libidos and it’s pretty normal to push yourself to make a bit of an effort because relationships take effort when you have work and children.

But this is coercion, it’s unhealthy and I’m concerned that this has become normalised for you and neither of you really know what you genuine consensual sex looks like.

Crikeyalmighty · 20/09/2021 20:03

OP do you think he could be watching a lot of porn?? a lot of women on mumsnet mention about their H no longer being very interested and they find out it’s because he has a frequent porn habit— my H went the other way- he suddenly became a bit of a sex pest , I couldn’t go to bed without him rubbing my arse or asking me to help him ‘sort itself out’ etc, etc— shortly afterwards I found out by chance he had a daily porn habit and I think it made him permanently ‘on heat’

TheTallOne · 20/09/2021 20:38

@PandaEyed13

Back story: Sex! Me and hubby started out the way most young people do - couldn't get enough! Day, night and anything in-between!

Present day: It's 11 years, 2 children, a house to run and 2 full time jobs later! I'm knackered, I really am! The old libido isn't what it used to be and it's because of a mix of things really - I had a difficult birth with my 2nd baby 4 years ago, I had a forceps delivery and an episiotomy, there was a lot of stitches, a long healing time and a lot of scar tissue, sex has only just started to stop feeling tender down there over the last year. Plus I'm older, a bit creakier, a teeny bit heavier, a lot sleepier and juggling a few different roles; I'm wife, mum, employee, carer as our youngest has special needs, cook, cleaner and so many others that the role of minx just doesn't feel like it's really me anymore - and I'm ok with it! The problem isn't the actual act itself, it's not boring or flat when we do it, it's great! The bottom line on the topic really is that I just don't need it as much anymore, I don't get as much as I used to get from it when I was 23 and to be honest..as bad as it sounds..once a month would suit me down to the ground!
However, DH would have it every night if he could, his own drive is much higher. So I do try! Nowadays, it's twice a week. That's not the problem though, the problem is he pesters every night. Literally every night, as soon as the kids have gone to bed, while I'm sat there on the couch watching TV at 8:30pm, it starts! Every night.
He sulks like a child and refuses to talk to me for the rest of the night on the ones that I say "not tonight dear." I do not over exaggerate, he does not talk to me until well into the next day!
He refuses to take matters into his own hands (excuse the pun), as in, he will not 'self love' if you know what I mean, because apparently that is my job! He says it's naff and that it's like hoping for a takeaway pizza and having to settle for cheese on toast!
Any time a saucy scene comes on the TV he huffs and makes some sarky remark like "hmm wonder what that's like!" or "I wouldn't know mate!" I spend most evenings getting ignored, getting the cold shoulder and alone, as he stomps off to sit in the other room and sulk.
I'm beginning to become resentful. I'm finding myself relenting and doing it anyway on times when I really just don't want to. I don't think any of the way he acts towards me in these moments of what he believes to be rejection is acceptable. I feel like we're constantly walking shaky ground that wobbles between emotional blackmail and sexual harassment! He doesn't talk to anyone about these things, he tells nobody because apparently this just isn't the sort of thing mates talk about, so I feel like there's nobody to say to him, "best not treat her like shit because you didn't get it, that's straddling a line there mate/love/dear!" I'm the only one who ever tells him it's not OK to act this way because you didn't get some, but he obviously just thinks I'm talking crap as I'm the one on the opposing side of his argument and calls me a boring old housemaid!
In less charged moments, we have talked and I have been totally honest about how I feel about it all personally. I've openly explained I just don't have as high a drive as him anymore and told him my reasons, but promised to make more effort to meet his needs if he felt like physical connection is a more important part of the relationship to him. And I do, as I say - twice a week is me reeeaaally giving it my all. He in return vows to lay off a bit more and to possibly see to himself on occasions, because in these less charged moments of daylight clarity, he does feel mortified at how his behaviour looks towards me when he gets like he does. But the next day, as soon as the kids have gone up, it's all forgotten again and it's back to the mithering for it like a teenage boy and sulking and freezing me out and slamming drawers and doors!
In every other aspect of life and our relationship he's brill. Great dad, good laugh, works hard, my family and friends love him, pulls his weight round the house. We're the absolute best of friends and we adore being with each other, we'd be together every minute if we could. I have no trust issues or worry and have 100% confidence that his head will never be turned or that he'll go looking elsewhere! But there's this private problem that is threatening to swallow everything else up and I honestly do believe that it would eventually be a relationship ender some day down the line should things continue the way they are, because I'm at my limit! I don't want to feel pressured/cajoled/bullied into doing the deed when I don't want to anymore! I'm starting to ask myself difficult questions about the acceptability of his behaviour and whether or not I'm experiencing some form of manipulation!
And I know I'm lucky to still have my partner want and desire me so much after all these years, I do factor that in but it's started to become a question of "does he want ME or does he just want IT?" Especially the last couple of years, he's always had a high sex drive but it's been something else over the last couple of years, it's become next level desperation almost!
I guess what I think at this point is that if he still has a sky high drive, and I don't, and I'm trying, but he still has a daily need - he should go take a long shower! I don't think I should be 100% responsible for his sexual satisfaction. Seriously, just back off and go have 10 minutes to yourself! AIBU?

OMG, he needs to have a serious reality check. I am a guy with a high sex life with a high sperm count (I'm advised that the high sperm count is the reason for the high sex drive) and he really must listen to you and understand who you are in the family structure and both of you. Ask him how he'd feel like if he was you? 🤣

He sounds way too selfish and needy

I can add that if two people can't communicate with each other and genuinely "get" the other person, then love making is off for either side. He's not listening to you is he?

I absolutely must sympathise and empathise with my gorgeous hard working senior sister GF who I constantly have the hots for, adore and love

I get that she works crazy hours most of the time in the hospital where she's working and I'm grateful when she wants me as much as I want her 🙏

However, I absolutely must be mindful that if she's menstruating or just too tired, that's okay and I'll just cuddle with her despite having a raging erection, and she knows it. Why would I pester her? 🤔

I will not pester her because it's a respect thing to me, and I'm afraid that from one guy to you - your sex pest husband needs to man up and be more humble, understanding and mature or he will alienate you and he will be the loser, then the kid's could lose their dad and so on?

Sorry to be a bit blunt, you have done nothing wrong, he simply needs to make a few adjustments himself to make sure the relationship works for both sides, not just his effing needs!

Not sure if that helps and I hope that you both work through this and you both move forward positively together?

Take care x

BrendaBubbles · 20/09/2021 20:50

If he knows you don't want sex, but manages to guilt you into it and happily proceeds to have sex with you... that is coercion, rape.

This. Manipulating someone into doing something they didn’t initially want to do is a form of violence and coercion. The matter should be as simple as that.

ElspethFlashman · 20/09/2021 21:05

We're the absolute best of friends

No you're fucking not.

He treats you like dogshit every single night of your life, love. That's a best friend is it? You'd suffer that with a female friend, would you?

Bollocks.

YouTubeAddict · 20/09/2021 21:21

I don’t know why he thinks huffing and puffing and getting annoyed with you is going to make him attractive to you and make sex more likely. That would be such a turn off for me. This is only going to get worse. He doesn’t sound like a great catch.

Coffeeonmytoffee · 20/09/2021 21:32

There is nothing as sexy as a sulking man.
God this drives me mad.
Today I had my first day off in 2 weeks and had a day planned of things to catch up on.
After the kids had gone to school and I walked the dog DH arrives back from work wondering if I want sex.
No I want to be left the hell alone!!
He was all huffy and arsey.
I'm exhausted!
The house is a tip and I need to do a ton of washing and cleaning.

I hate sex now and I hate feeling obliged to do it.
So many of my friends have to service their husbands or their lives are miserable. It's awful.

TitoMojito · 20/09/2021 21:46

I'm sorry OP. Your post makes me so sad. My partner and I are in our 20s and have shockingly low sex drives. I know we're lucky because there are a lot of people who couldn't be with us, people who only want sex once in a blue moon. The idea of having sex even twice a week just sounds miserable to me.

So there's nothing wrong with you. I have no kids and still have no real desire for sex a lot of the time. You don’t deserve to be treated like a sex toy.

I don't have much advice really, I just wanted to say that you're totally normal and you don’t need to have a raging libido to be a great wife.

Sommernacht89 · 20/09/2021 21:48

Leave that prick as soon as possible!!

CBroads · 20/09/2021 22:15

I'd literally sit him down and say "Right, we need to talk about your constant winging for sex, it's the biggest turn off I've ever experienced and it makes me want to sew my vagina up. Secondly, if nothing changes in the very very near future I will be going to see a divorce lawyer to start proceedings, do you understand every word I've just said? Because if not there's the door, go get some professional help".

Italiangreyhound · 20/09/2021 22:40

PandaEyed13 sorry this sounds so difficult. Do whatever makes you feel happy, ultimately, you are not responsible for him. Thanks

SleepingBunnies21 · 20/09/2021 22:49

He sounds like he thinks women are sex appliances.

Won't even masturbare because that's inferior .... basically "I shoukdbt have tk madturbate because I've got a woman, that's what her hole is for" (sorry to be crude but that seems to be his mentality).
Even the pizza/cheese on toast comment- there's nothing romantic or emotional about that.

He's entitled, coercive and sex pest-y.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 21/09/2021 09:29

My sulky overgrown kid of a husband, who's accelerated his need and desire over the past year or 2 to the point that I've wondered if he needs help! If something is going on with him, if there's a crisis inside for him that is actually unrelated to sex and to me?

If he is having a crisis he has no right to take it out on you. The only way to change that dynamic is to insist that he stops using you and gets help himself for whatever is bothering him. But "sulky overgrown kid" doesn't sound like a crisis, more like a description of who he is and always has been.

I always thought I was doing my bit to reach 50/50, despite knowing that he himself wasn't doing that too.

If you were doing your bit and he wasn't then you only reached 100/0. 50-50 takes two.

I thought I was making effort to factor in his needs and compromise without doing the nude splits every night!

"Anyway, we reached a compromise. I got what I wanted, and they didn't." (Victoria Wood) Though in your case, it's the other way round.

PandaEyed13 · 21/09/2021 10:53

We spoke yesterday as soon as the kids went up. I used some of the words and language used here and he balked, he went went as white as a sheet.

What it boils down to is he's always been a sulky man child. I meant it when I said that he's my best friend, or has been, I don't even know anymore - but sulking and huffing has always been his worst trait since the day I met him, and even his dad jokes he always has been a stroppy dickead! It's always been the one thing I can't stand about him and he doesn't exclusively apply the sulking to me, it could be anything. He moped like he'd been dumped for 3 days after England lost the Euro final! Things like that, and it drives me mad because I just don't get it, I'm very much a "chuck it in the 'fuck it' bucket and move on" type of person and I just don't get the moping and gloom over little things! So..we have discussed the possibility for a while now that he has depression. We talked about the possibility of this onslaught of horn came on much more urgently around lockdown time, we never linked the 2 but when we looked at how long it's been going on, they seem to coincide. I was home working during the whole lockdown as the kids were home and he had to work. He started a new job weeks before the lockdown started, and he didn't recieve furlough because the small print of furlough was that you had to be working with your company for at least 6 months prior to applying for furlough, so he missed out. His company were good, they found him things to do round the office and provided work so he could stay employed and stay payed, but they furloughed everyone else, so he was the only one in his entire company going in every day and rattling round the place alone working while everyone else was being paid to, as he put it, "binge netflix!" That really bothered him. He started having panic attacks about covid, about him catching it and bringing it into the house and killing me and the children. The GP saw him after a couple of months and put him on anti anxieties but he declined anti depressants. I supported that decision at the time because my mum was on some pretty horrible, psychosis inducing anti depressants when I was a kid and it was truly an awful and miserable time.

It boils down to sex being the only thing that makes him happy, or at the very least forget everything. He also asked me to take accountability for the fact that sometimes he'll slide up to me when I'm cooking or doing the washing and start being tactile and snuggly, like "you look so gorgeous just chopping that onion, what do you say? Tonight?" and sometimes I just don't want to be mauled while I'm dicing veg so I quickly just say "erm yeah maybe..whatever!" to get him to peel himself off me, but he's taken that "erm yeah maybe" and ran with it and is tightly holding onto it. I'm aware I have done that but he claims it's more times than I think it is, but we agreed to disagree on that and I myself apologised for the times that I have made him believe it could be on the cards and then shut it down later because I was trying to shut him up at the time.

We've also agreed not to flirt anymore. I find that sad because I still enjoy being cheeky with each other sometimes and giving him a squeeze on the bum when he walks past in his duds, just for fun, but each and any time we do anything like that, apparently he takes it as green light for later and holds on to that expectation for the entire day. I find it quite sad but I've agreed not to flirt or be overly tactile for the meantime, until he can get some mental health help. I told him it's all a bit immature and desperate to assume that just because I give him a cheeky bum squeeze - it's go time, or because I slap some lippy on, that it's for him and not for me, for myself to look and feel good! I didn't enjoy saying any of this to him because he became embarrassed but he needed to hear it I think, that he acts like a desperate teenage boy from times past!

We both agreed he needs to speak to someone and he whatsapped me from work a minute ago and said he had a long phone appointment with the GP this morning and he's gone on the waiting list for CBT. It's just around a year to wait which is the only problem.

OP posts:
Spiindoctor · 21/09/2021 10:59

Good progress!

PermanentTemporary · 21/09/2021 10:59

PandaEyed just wanted to thank you for your update. That's truly amazing that you have been able to open up to each other and I hope that it continues.

I agree that it's sad if you can't flirt and end up both restraining yourselves like that, and a little bit worrying. But I hope perhaps it will be part of a journey to understanding each other better and perhaps you'll both be able to relax a bit more as things improve.

OatBasedVanillaMacchiato · 21/09/2021 11:34

Your husband is abusive, and manipulative.

I opened your post expecting to give some advice about how to have more sex to maintain the bond between you etc...

and then I read the rest of it. I would never be able to allow a man like that to paw me. Honestly, he turns my stomach.

LimpLettice · 21/09/2021 11:42

Hmm. I'm glad you talked but this sounds familiar. It's your fault for wearing lipstick? You say maybe later and then if you change your mind, that's good reason to sulk for 6 hours? Not buying it. You can change your mind whenever you like. Mope for 3 minutes then move on, just about acceptable. What you describe is not.

It's extremely positive he's committed to seeking help but I wouldn't fall into the trap of believing this is entirely depression based, he can't help it, it's partially your fault. None of those things are really true, and that 'only good thing in his life' is pretty insulting really. You and the kids are not? Only a shag works? Sounds like more emotional blackmail to me. I'm not belittling the effect of Covid etc on anyone's mental health, but it's all a bit pat, isn't it. More likely he spent hours of bored Covid time watching porn and now believes women exist to service their men and that every smile means fuck me right now. I hope that's not the case and that he can overcome his misery enough to stop treating you like a reluctant sex doll. Fingers crossed.

Quartz2208 · 21/09/2021 11:49

I am going to suggest something fairly brutal but I think you need to take sex off the cards completely until he has actually probably figured out what is wrong.

You giving him sex and or mixed messages isnt going to solve anything. Indeed YOU cannot solve this. No amount of work from you is going to help what clearly could be quite deep seated issue for him.

Therefore taking you out of the equation (as awful as it sounds) I think may well be what is needed. If we take what he is saying at face value and not being manipulative he cannot cope with the idea of yes and then being faced with no. So I think the solution is for him to recognise it has to be a no and work on himself.

No one can rely on another person to make them happy and that is what he is doing here. Using sex as a crutch and he cannot do that. He needs to work this out himself.

ChargingBuck · 21/09/2021 11:52

So ... now you have to restrict your own behaviour, in case he can't control himself, so it's still all your fault?

Does he genuinely not understand that flirting is a necessary component of keeping desire alive?

You have to behave like a sexless person, until of course ... HE wants sex?

This is so many kinds of wrong.
HOWEVER - you did really well, opening up the communication channels. Just please don't let him tell you he only abuses you because he's depressed, or anxious, or pissed off about not being furloughed.

Especially don't let him get away with "but it's the only thing in my life that makes me happy." That's so ... revoltingly disrespectful & manipulative. Does your company not make him happy? Do the kids not make him happy?
Do you see how he's still making you responsible for providing him with sex "to make him happy" - but paying barely any attention to your feelings & needs?

Sorry OP, I don't have any positive suggestions right now.
But you are at least coming to terms with how this sulking is not caused by you putting out "only"(!) twice a week - it's an engrained, lifelong trait. How about you think less about your husband's wishes, & more about your own, & your right not to be sexually harrassed & emotionally abused in your own home?

ChargingBuck · 21/09/2021 11:59

I am going to suggest something fairly brutal but I think you need to take sex off the cards completely until he has actually probably figured out what is wrong.

I believe many sex therapists would agree with you @Quartz2208.

Maybe sex therapy would be a better place to start than solo CBT for him.

But I'm concerned about couples counselling, when this level of abuse is present. Until he recognises how hugely out of order he is with the abusive nightly stonewalling, I'd be worried he would only view sex therapy as a way of browbeating his wife into giving him more sex.

Quartz2208 · 21/09/2021 12:08

I agree @ChargingBuck couples counselling isnt appropriate because it isnt a couple issue.

OP this is one of two things - a highly abusive man who is using all of this to get his own way. Or a sad anxious man who has fixated onto sex and you as to the only way to make himself happy.

If it is the latter than truly saying that until he figures it out then sex cannot be on the cards because you cannot change your behaviour in terms of lipstick at all is the way through this. While he figures out the best way to get help for this.

Good luck I have a feeling you will need it. I think solo therapy for him and a chat with his doctor to solve some clearly huge underlying issues

Seeleyboo · 21/09/2021 12:22

I could have written your post OP in regards to everything except DH behaviour. He never asks or paws or pesters. He understands i am going through changes and has left me alone with the understanding that when i am ready he is there for me. You DH sounds mentally draining and totally exhausting.

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