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AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

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HurryUpAndWait23 · 15/09/2021 14:21

I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences.

But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

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Tal45 · 15/09/2021 15:02

Wow she's really been styled to appeal to a Western audience hasn't she. She's just a complete liar, she previously said the Manchester bombing was justified as women and children had been killed in Syria by bomb strikes - but then in this vid says she didn't know women and children were killed in Manchester and didn't know anything about it (or anything else it seems). She is a manipulative bullshitter and I hope she rots where she is, she's not 15 any more.

furbabymama87 · 15/09/2021 15:03

What did you expect her to be like? There's no excuse for what she did, she's awful and can't hide it.

ShrimpBarbarian · 15/09/2021 15:03

"sorry if i offended anyone" oh fuck off

Redgeraniums · 15/09/2021 15:03

I think a lot of people don’t understand how insidious grooming is.
I think of the girls in Rochdale who were groomed horrifically and many of them for many years after supported their abusers, many didn’t even really realise they had been groomed until they had escaped.

INeed2P · 15/09/2021 15:03

@Fraine

15 is old enough to know better - I don't buy that she was 15 and didn't know what ISIS was.

She says "most young people don't know what they want to do with their lives and they are very confused and they can easily fall into things like this" - bull. Most young people don't find terrorist organisations online and fly off in secret to join them and marry members.

She said in 2019 (as an adult!) the Manchester bombing was justified. She then backtracked because she said she didn't know women and children were involved (and realised she'd got backlash for why she had said). As someone who was in Manchester when this happened I think it's an absolute disgrace she is getting airtime and there is even a hint of her returning to the UK.

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/09/2021 15:04

Human rights are for everyone. And as a two time immigrant and dual national, it's enlightening how little some people feel our citizenships are worth. Mine are less than yours. I will always be half a citizen.

MrsRockAndRoll · 15/09/2021 15:04

@Samcro

how old is she now? isn't she in her 20's
@Samcro I think she said she was 21 now
Confused102 · 15/09/2021 15:04

She is a manipulative bullshitter and I hope she rots where she is, she's not 15 any more. This.

PersonaNonGarter · 15/09/2021 15:06

She will never return.

Unfortunately for her, she is the head on the spike on Tower Bridge. There to remind others not to make the same mistake.

And that’s fine with me.

Redgeraniums · 15/09/2021 15:06

The point is she needs to come back and go on trial. She’s not asking to come back for any other reasons. We take responsibility for how our citizens act regardless. We don’t just say. Nah leave you for some other numpty country to have to deal with.
We need to deal with her

Gonnagetgoing · 15/09/2021 15:08

@Fraine

A groomed child at that. This idea that brown girls can’t be groomed is very damaging.
Much as I dislike Shamima and all she stands for, I do believe she was groomed and she was after all a child at 15 and younger.

If I recall how I was at 15 I certainly could have been groomed in a similar manner and brainwashed into believing and expressing extremist and controversial views had I had the experiences she had.

However, her behaviour since then, is not full of remorse at all, the opposite in fact and a huge programme of 'deprogramming' her mindset would have to be done, and I'm not sure she would like to do this at all, no matter what she's saying now.

KittenKong · 15/09/2021 15:08

@Confused102

She's where she belongs.
It’s not though is it? They don’t want her. No one asked her to up sticks and go. She is our problem.
LateDecemberBackInLowB12 · 15/09/2021 15:09

She was 15, she made some really stupid, unforgivable decisions, but she's a UK problem, just like hundreds of thousands of awful people who hold disgusting views are, and hundreds of thousands of criminals are.

BudrosBudrosGalli · 15/09/2021 15:09

I reserve my sympathy for the Yazidi women and girls raped, brutalized, and murdered by her brethren.

futureghost · 15/09/2021 15:09

@preparetheships

Older and wiser people have been radicalised. To an extent I believe she was groomed into believing ISIS was going to give her marriage, children and happiness. I don't believe she didn't know about ISIS, but I don't think she expected what would happen to her when she actually got there. Over the past few years she must have seen some devastating things, been subjected to horrific abuse (let's not pretend these terrorists treat women with respect) as well as losing her three children. It's understandable she has become hardened and appears emotionless after such trauma.
Absolutely.

She was a groomed child. After the Rochdale scandal people still don't understand grooming? She was a child groomed to be sexually available and a brood mare to a man - an ISIS fighter.

Gonnagetgoing · 15/09/2021 15:10

@IReallyCantThinkOfAnything

She comes across as entitled, seems to have no empathy and the new change of image fools no one.

She needs better advice, because if she came across better people might see the fact that at 15 she was groomed.

But if she had better advice this still would not alter the fact that on the whole her opinions and beliefs at heart haven't changed.

An awful lot of work would have to be done to 'reform' her.

Sleeplessem · 15/09/2021 15:10

Unfortunately she’s not a perfect victim, she sounds ‘gobby’ at times, she’s was a teenager when she joined isis, she seemingly had a ‘good’ relationship with her fighter husband, and she’s not white (I think race does play a huge role in how she’s been portrayed). An effort is being her legal team to make her appear more remorseful and more western, her clothes in this interview are a far remove from the black jilbab and niqab she wore in earlier interviews.

But leaving her out there and leaving her child to die was and continues to be disgraceful, others have returned, why was an example made out of her? Ultimately she’s been made stateless. She should have been allowed to return, her poor little son taken off her and her family (sounds harsh but there were safeguarding errors made by them, clearly as their teen was radicalised and joined a terror group) and taken into care and she needed to be sentenced.

futureghost · 15/09/2021 15:10

@Redgeraniums

The point is she needs to come back and go on trial. She’s not asking to come back for any other reasons. We take responsibility for how our citizens act regardless. We don’t just say. Nah leave you for some other numpty country to have to deal with. We need to deal with her
And this.
Redgeraniums · 15/09/2021 15:10

All these people saying she’s a manipulator. Fine! There are thousands of manipulative people who we have to deal with in the courts!
Which is where she will end up as she should as a citizen of this country.

Or should we start shipping all crims off the Australia like we used to

ConstanceGracy · 15/09/2021 15:10

She’s full of so much shit.
Javid even said “if you knew what I did then you wouldn’t let her back into the country either” or something along those lines ..

vivainsomnia · 15/09/2021 15:11

The 15 year old who ran away with her teacher had so much press about being groomed, how she was innocent and couldn't possibly know that's all it was. She was deemed young, innocent and vulnerable despite coming from a good family, with no traumatic past, and being a clever girl.

Yet, Shamima with Avery different background is expected to have been mature enough to understand what she was getting into?

Of course the outcome was much worse in her case, but I fail to understand why she wasn't deemed anymore vulnerable and gullible than the other girl of the sane age.

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HurryUpAndWait23 · 15/09/2021 15:12

Yet, Shamima with Avery different background is expected to have been mature enough to understand what she was getting into?

No. It's all the stuff that tumbled since then. Her lack of remorse. Her expectation that the UK owes her something.

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AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 15/09/2021 15:13

I wish we’d been able to get her children out and to safety to live with her parents. They were complete innocents.

I see both sides of the argument in regard to her and I can’t say I lose much sleep over her situation.

Redgeraniums · 15/09/2021 15:13

Yeah the U.K. owes it to another country to deal with her and not them.
That’s how it works

AlfonsoTheMango · 15/09/2021 15:13

YANBU. I get the feeling that she is not repentant.