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AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

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HurryUpAndWait23 · 15/09/2021 14:21

I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences.

But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

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SmokeyDevil · 15/09/2021 15:56

She willing went there and has said horrible things when older.

To all those who think we should let her back in, will you be complaining if she assists in bombing or attacking anyone? We would have willingly let her back in to kill people.

Honestly, she's made her bed. I couldn't trust her in this country no matter how watched she is (and that's just money being wasted). Her needs are not above the needs of many others to stay safe. I would rather protect our citizens than someone who willingly left. There are other people who need saving more than her.

JasonMomoasgirlfriend · 15/09/2021 15:57

We can't just dump our home-grown problems on other countries

Well, apparently we can.

Comedycook · 15/09/2021 15:57

She comes across like a typical teenager imo... selfish, entitled and petulant.

IglesiasPiggle · 15/09/2021 15:57

Perpetrate. I can't type today.

Dentistlakes · 15/09/2021 15:57

No sympathy from me. She made her bed and now she needs to lie in it. I truly hope she’s never allowed to return to the UK.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 15/09/2021 15:58

@leakymcleakleak

Plenty of people on here are comparing her to victims of sexual abuse and child sexual exploitation. They are victims. She has committed crimes. That’s the distinction.

If people see her as a victim because of her age, then it can only follow that no children should have criminal responsibility because of the influences that have led to them being in that situation.

IVFNewbie · 15/09/2021 15:58

She's a victim.

VladmirsPoutine · 15/09/2021 15:59

She should be allowed to return. I notice there are people who have for want of a better term 'foreign' parents or grandparents who really don't realise what they are advocating by suggesting that Shemima deserves to be stripped of her UK citizenship.

gardeninggirl68 · 15/09/2021 15:59

@Droite

The level of intolerance on here for children who have been groomed is frightening.

I agree. But I never have agreed before. She seems level headed and remorseful to me

Blossomtoes · 15/09/2021 15:59

[quote IglesiasPiggle]I will say again, she was a groomed child and a British citizen and she should be home. It is pure racism, hatred, and stupidity to say otherwise.

What do you think of the white Jack Lett's being stripped of his citizenship for terrorism?

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/18/jack-letts-stripped-british-citizenship-isis-canada[/quote]
Quite. This bleeding heart nonsense about her being a groomed child is sickening. How her story has changed since the Times interview. She’ll say anything to save her skin.

naesake · 15/09/2021 16:00

Does she still consider herself married to her Dutch husband? Has she said whether she wishes to be reunited with him at some stage?

CrumpleHornedSnowcack · 15/09/2021 16:00

personally I don't believe her for a second. Leave her there

kurtney · 15/09/2021 16:00

@TooBigForMyBoots

She never comes across well but teenagers rarely do usually because they know it all so shes fairly typical in that sense. I hope she can come home to the UK as soon as possible. I think the government have been atrocious and racist in their handling of her case.Angry
She's not a teenager now. She's 22. And those who think her treatment has been down to race don't seem to want to comment on Jack Letts, who is white and also had his British citizenship revoked or are doing their best to ignore everyone who's brought it up so far.
Everhopeful · 15/09/2021 16:01

Also agree with RedGeraniums - besides, she has clearly learned by now that being stateless is a punishment in itself. At least a trial offers a chance of it all one day being over.

I repeat though - where are the men in this position? I haven't heard of anyone else losing their citizenship and it's difficult to believe this isn't yet another case of the women having to have higher standards.

MamaEs · 15/09/2021 16:01

What happened to the other two girls who went with her to Syria

Redgeraniums · 15/09/2021 16:01

We can't just dump our home-grown problems on other countries - imagine if terrorists and criminals from other countries who are in the UK couldn't be sent back because their home country says they are 'no longer their citizens'...

Exactly! How many people would think it’s ok that another country said about a terrorist in the U.K. SOZ not my problem anymore.

Littlepaws18 · 15/09/2021 16:02

I felt empathy for her until the Home Secretary stated she sewed suicide bombers into their vests and was part of the morality police. She is such a messed up individual and still highly dangerous. We may have a responsibility towards her but she is a danger to the public.

Badgercity · 15/09/2021 16:02

The government broke international law when they stripped her of her nationality.

It’s very pigheaded of us to refuse to deal with her and expect another country to handle her. She was born here and groomed here, our authorities failed to safeguard these teenagers from radicalisation.

That said, she comes across very badly, devoid of emotion and without remorse. Either she’s an ice cold radical or she’s completely traumatised to an almost catatonic state.

Other problems with allowing her home include the possibility she might not get. custodial sentence (the maximum being 10 years, but equally could be a fine depending on whether the judge takes her age and the fact she was groomed into account), and the amount of resources that will be required to monitor her and to keep her safe from others.

backtoschoolagainagain · 15/09/2021 16:02

JFC she was a CHILD when she joined ISIS.

If your 15 year old daughter got groomed online and ended up in ISIS wouldn't you want them home?

Of course her story is going to be different when she's free to speak and not scared that ISIS is going to hurt her and her baby.

JFC some stone cold people with empathy bypasses on this thread.

overnightangel · 15/09/2021 16:02

@Tal45

Wow she's really been styled to appeal to a Western audience hasn't she. She's just a complete liar, she previously said the Manchester bombing was justified as women and children had been killed in Syria by bomb strikes - but then in this vid says she didn't know women and children were killed in Manchester and didn't know anything about it (or anything else it seems). She is a manipulative bullshitter and I hope she rots where she is, she's not 15 any more.
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IglesiasPiggle · 15/09/2021 16:03

I repeat though - where are the men in this position? I haven't heard of anyone else losing their citizenship and it's difficult to believe this isn't yet another case of the women having to have higher standards.

Again, see Jack Letts.
www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/18/jack-letts-stripped-british-citizenship-isis-canada

Washeduponthebeach · 15/09/2021 16:03

The reasoning of some people seems to be that a child of 15 is not responsible for committing atrocities and showing no empathy. That seems a dangerous road to go down. The legal age for responsibility is 10. She was nearly 16. It is legal to marry at 16. Yet the claim is that a marriage she entered into willingly was rape. Presumably she was 16 by the time she actually married. If your daughter has sex with her boyfriend at 15, is that rape if is consensual? There is no logic in these arguments.

She shows no genuine remorse or empathy. She speaks the words with no genuine feeling. There is something wrong with her at a fundamental level. If she is repatriated and tried in the UK as seems right, all former ISIS sympathisers who return to this country should do the same.

Redgeraniums · 15/09/2021 16:03

The government is actually revoking a huge amount of citizenships as we speak. Most of them are dual and not born in the U.K. so fair game according to some.
It’s a worrying new trend. And impo just causes more problems than it solves

Washeduponthebeach · 15/09/2021 16:04

@backtoschoolagainagain

JFC she was a CHILD when she joined ISIS.

If your 15 year old daughter got groomed online and ended up in ISIS wouldn't you want them home?

Of course her story is going to be different when she's free to speak and not scared that ISIS is going to hurt her and her baby.

JFC some stone cold people with empathy bypasses on this thread.

The person with the empathy bypass is the girl herself.
ithinkilikeit · 15/09/2021 16:04

Find it hard to believe that if she was white the posters on here would be saying the exact same thing. She is British by birth regardless of her skin colour so she must return to Britain. Whether she is tried or not is up to the courts.