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I know it's cheeky but should I just go for it?

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10stepsback · 10/09/2021 12:32

I've found myself in a really crappy situation but I'll try to make it short and sweet. I, along with my daughter have been in our current rental for the last 8 years. I started dating my partner nearly 4 years ago and he lives just up the road from me, mortgage free. We both have children from previous relationships, my daughter who is 18 and off to uni this week and his daughter who is 15, still in school. His wife passed away 6 years ago. His daughter has struggled, but we became incredibly close quite quickly. She is also close to my daughter and they see each other as sisters. I have never tried to replace her mum and I made it clear from the beginning that I would not get involved in their arguments or try to discipline her. Ex really struggles to set boundaries and she speaks to him like rubbish most of the time. She has a lot of anger issues I feel and they argue a lot which can make the atmosphere sometimes unbearable.
He has tried to arrange counselling multiple times but she isn't interested.

Recently my landlord made me aware that he was thinking of selling up in the next few months. For a while I have wondered where our relationship was heading so we both decided to have a talk about the next steps, with the most obvious one being to move in together, especially since I'm paying nearly £600 a month in rental fees even though I spend most of my time at his house. He agreed that he wanted me to move in and live with them. We sat his daughter down to have a chat and to make sure she was okay with it. She's had a rough start to life and we agreed that we wouldn't do it if she wasn't happy with the idea. Initially she was over the moon and said she couldn't wait for me to move in, that she couldn't wait to have another girl around the house to do girly things, have pamper and movie nights etc. She is also extremely unhappy with her weight (as am I) and we both said that we would exercise together and make healthy meals. It was going to be our little activity that didn't involve her dad. Just us girls. At no point did she us tell or make us feel that she wasn't comfortable or happy with the idea, until this week, a week before I am due to move out of my current place.

It has come to light that she now doesn't want me to move in and is really unhappy with the idea. She told her dad on Wednesday night that if I come she will move in with her auntie. This isn't the impression she gave us when we spoke to her a month ago. The last few weeks she has been excited and has even helped me move boxes in. He hasn't said anything or tried to explain to her that it is too late for her to change her mind. I suspect that she has realised at the last minute that this is all real and actually going to happen and it’s scared her. Perhaps it was foolish of us to believe that she was happy with the idea but we had talked about it in depth several times before making the decision and then over these last few weeks she seemed so excited for me to come. Even though we agreed that we wouldn’t do it if she was unhappy, it is a slightly different situation now as I’m suppose to be moving out next Friday.

Initially my landlord said he would give me 6 months to find somewhere else before putting the house up for sale, however I gave him notice straight away (after having agreed with partner to move in with them) so he put it on the market immediately. Estate agent believes it will sell quickly as there has already been quite a few viewings. Luckily landlord has said I can stay for another month, and then we will take it week by week until the house sells or if I find somewhere else. I haven’t spoken to my partner since yesterday morning after he decided to send me links to a property in the next town (a 1 bed flat above a youth hostel). This was the first I’d heard from after he told me that his daughter didn’t want me to move in. He has kindly told me he will loan me the money for a deposit on another rental if needs be. No apology or any concerns for my well-being, he’s just carried on as normal. Rentals don’t come up that often in this area and if they do, they are normally priced at around £700+pcm which I can’t afford. I work full time but can only stretch to around £600 which I was currently pay. I also have a dog that we’ve had since he was a puppy and I’m not prepared to give him up. My daughter absolutely adores him and would be so heartbroken. I was lucky that my landlord didn’t mind pets but not many others feel the same way as it is advertised on their websites.
Partner has offered to take the dog if needs be (so he’ll have my dog, but not me. Lovely) but hopefully it won’t come to that. I do have friends and family that could take him if I can’t find a rental that accepts pets. Buying a property is not possible unfortunately.

Our relationship is over, although I’m not sure he is aware of that and thinks we will be carrying on as normal. I am absolutely heartbroken as I still love him but I just feel so hurt and I still can’t believe he could do this to me. My daughter is off to Uni tomorrow so I’m trying my best to hold it all together so she can enjoy her last couple of days at home before leaving. I don’t want her to see me upset but she is equally hurt by what they’ve done. We’ve sold a lot of our furniture and packed our lives up ready to move next week. It is such a shit show and I will never rely on a man ever again after this. I have seen a couple of rentals within the area, which have been on Rightmove for a while now. They are out my price range by around a £100 a month. Would I be unreasonable to phone the estate agent up and explain my situation and see if the landlord will consider reducing the rent? If the property has been sitting there empty for months and they are desperate for the income, do you think they might consider it? I feel cheeky for even asking but if you don’t ask you don’t get I suppose! What do I have to lose at this point, right?

If you’ve managed to read the whole post, thank you. Please be nice, I'm feeling pretty fragile and stressed at the moment.

OP posts:
TiredButDancing · 10/09/2021 15:57

to answer your original question - of course you can ask. However, i wouldn't be giving them the whole story. It's irrelevant. As a landlord, I wouldn't give you the flat at a cheaper rate because I felt sorry for you. But I might well give it to you at a cheaper rate if I felt that I wasn't finding a tenant and I'd rather have it filled at a lower rate than unfilled at the higher rate.

Nopetryagain · 10/09/2021 15:57

Letting his child be a little dictator is not putting his child first, it is terrible parenting. Good for you for knowing you need to end this relationship OP.

Regarding the rentals I would not go into detail as landlords hate drama (not of your making I know). I would just explain:

-you are a single tenant of x age

  • you need a property as your current rental property is being sold
-you can move in from x date -you can’t pay more than £600 per month but can demonstrate you have managed amount this for years
  • you are a reliable low maintenance tenant and can provide references
-you have a very well behaved and clean dog and you are happy to agree enhanced contractual terms regarding how the property is to be left if the landlord has any reservations about dogs

Good luck OP!

Loanne12 · 10/09/2021 15:58

If I was you op I'd let him pay your depoist/first months rent because this technically his fault. then I'd dump him Grin

Aprilinspringtimeshower · 10/09/2021 15:59

@SirVixofVixHall

Can you talk to your partner and his dd and maybe decide to do a trial period, so she doesn’t feel as though she has no choice? Her Dad is the only parent she has and I expect that she is worried she won’t get any of his attention, or just the fear of a big change. It seems odd to me that you and your dp have been together for years and yet you haven’t thrashed this out together, could it actually be him who has cold feet ? Is he blaming his dd when it is actually him ?
This. Maybe, if it’s not entirely too late in terms of how he handled it, can you suggest a temporary move in whilst you wait to find a new rental property- I’m not sure why he didn’t suggest it if you are supposed to be close tbh. This would give daughter chance to see how it works. And buy you time if it doesn’t
elbea · 10/09/2021 16:00

@Brollypackedforscottishholiday those landlords are rubbish landlords because a pet deposit is illegal. If they aren’t aware of that I’m sure they are other legal requirements they aren’t aware of.

ANameChangeAgain · 10/09/2021 16:01

Ithink you need to let your partner know that he must tell his daughter ( at that age she is old enough to be aware of her actions) that they both of them have caused you to be homeless which is mighty low of them.
I agree with this.
I also agree that any parent should put their child before anyone else, but its poor that he would put you and your dd (she'll still need a home outside of uni) on the street at the whim of a 15 yo. He has treated you as disposable. I wasn't getting, as others suggested, that she was a bereaved child pressured or railroaded into "allowing it". She had a bratty flounce and daddy caved.

BananaPB · 10/09/2021 16:02

I've been a landlord and accepted less for a quick turnaround and long-term tenant. They left the house in perfect condition and paid every month so win-win

GertietheGherkin · 10/09/2021 16:04

@TheWeatherWitch

Why are you both letting a 15 year old child dictate the rest of your lives?

I was in exactly the same position, I moved in with my widowed partner, (now my husband) after my tenancy came to an end and his then 12 year old daughter didn’t want me there. Well…guess what, she left home for university and DH and I are still very happy.

Is he worth fighting for? Only you know the answer to that one but good men are few and far between. Don’t cut off your noise to spite your face.

The daughter has supposedly told the Dad that she doesn't want the OP to move in, and he's backed the daughter.

How is the OP cutting her nose of to spite her face?
She can't just turn up with a removal van and move in.
The OPs been given no say in the matter, it's been presented to her as a done deal.

Dixiechickonhols · 10/09/2021 16:04

You are a good bet as a tenant, one lady, 8 year ref, one well behaved dog had from puppy. I’d definitely ask.

vixeyann · 10/09/2021 16:07

It's not cheeky. We did the same for our first rental - noticed it had been on rightmove a while and went in lower and we met in the middle in the end. I feel for you, such a horrible situation and I would be ending it too x

3boyshere · 10/09/2021 16:08

a colleague of mine is a landlord, he usually asks to meet the tenant to get an idea of what they are like, he says you learn a lot from first impression He does occasional accept pets but as the pp said insists on the carpets being cleaned prior to leaving and taking the last months rent upfront, it seems to work for him. I would go to all the letting agents and explain your situation, most will let you know first when the properties become available hope you get it sorted x

3boyshere · 10/09/2021 16:10

he sometimes does reduce the rent for the right tenant, he says he rather have the right tenant and pays on time. References are a must x

3luckystars · 10/09/2021 16:11

I’m sorry this happened. I’d say he will be stunned that the relationship is over. He would happily carry on like this forever with no thoughts towards your circumstances.
You must be one of those people that don’t complain!

I think you are right, get on with your own life with your head up. Do not argue or get upset. He will be banging down your new door in a few weeks. Whether you want that or not, I’m not sure, but whatever you do not blame all this on the daughter or stay mad. Move on.

All the best and I hope you find somewhere nice.

Embroidery · 10/09/2021 16:12

Speak to DP. Tell him what you said here.

Daughter is just having a blip. Pre wedding nerves. She will love having you there and regret this. Youre both you and DP putting far too much responsibility on the shoulders of a 15yo. She will bitterly regret this and it could damage her quite badly.
Go ahead with the move.

CoopersHawke · 10/09/2021 16:13

Won't the Council have a duty to re-house you if your landlord sells up (as you will then be classified as "homeless")?
Also would you be eligible for housing benefit?
I have heard the organisation called Shelter is very good at helping in these type of situations. Good luck OP.

Embroidery · 10/09/2021 16:18

Im sure they dont want you homeless. Youve sold all your furniture!

None of you are thinking straight.

Just move in, give it a 6month time limit if you like.
Like a trial period.

I bet you'll still be there in 50 years and grow old together. DD will only be there 3 years.

SPEAK TO HIM, and make it very clear. It's too late to stop this once your furniture is sold and your current house is going.

TheChiefJo · 10/09/2021 16:23

I really don't think that's an option, he's told OP that she can't move in. I'd advise her to find her own place anyway as he's proved to be unreliable and treated her this badly.

Embroidery · 10/09/2021 16:25

Its quite classic 15yo behaviour. That is why adult = 18 +

15yos dont look to the future or think of the consequences of their actions. This is proven in medicine / educational studies / psychology time and time again.
It will be a fear of change blip and the adults giving her this inappropriate level of power, are doing the 15yo far more harm than good.

Embroidery · 10/09/2021 16:32

@3luckystars
I know MN is very prone to LTB but in the situation you propose, and with this cutting off her nose to spite her face, it could be very damaging to the child and is bad advice.

It will be the 15yos fault that its all chaos and tears and banging on doors and ignoring and blocking and no more sister ever again.... how ever much anyone says it's not. She will know it is, and regret it deeply = damaging.

They really should remember to be the adults.

Somethingwicked9 · 10/09/2021 16:34

Didn’t want to read and run don’t have any advice but big hug Flowers

AlexaShutUp · 10/09/2021 16:34

[quote Embroidery]@3luckystars
I know MN is very prone to LTB but in the situation you propose, and with this cutting off her nose to spite her face, it could be very damaging to the child and is bad advice.

It will be the 15yos fault that its all chaos and tears and banging on doors and ignoring and blocking and no more sister ever again.... how ever much anyone says it's not. She will know it is, and regret it deeply = damaging.

They really should remember to be the adults.[/quote]
But the OP can't stay with a partner who has treated her really badly just so that it doesn't damage his daughter!

The issue isn't the girl. It's the fact that her dad clearly didn't give a toss about making his partner homeless. That's unforgivable.

tempester28 · 10/09/2021 16:36

It sounds like you obviously have a good relationship with your current landlord, ask him to give you a good reference and definitely ask for the reduction - people do and I had not known that before.

I am sorry about what has happened. You mentioned an Aunt, is there a possibility that she has put a stop to things?

MadeForThis · 10/09/2021 16:37

I would be incredibly disappointed that the best your DP can offer as a solution is a RightMove link.
He clearly isn't considering the impact of this on you at all.

Annonymiss123 · 10/09/2021 16:37

Are you sure he isn’t getting cold feet and using his DD as an excuse? From what you said it sounds like she was very happy to have you move in.

grannybee55 · 10/09/2021 16:38

What a difficult situation. I agree he shouldn't let a child have such a massive input at such a late stage. She had her chance to speak up and to change her mind and issue ultimatums at this point screams of game playing to me. Maybe she'll realise the gravity of her actions when you're no longer around to do the fun girly stuff that she's enjoyed with you.

As for the rent, absolutely ask. If you don't ask you don't get.