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I know it's cheeky but should I just go for it?

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10stepsback · 10/09/2021 12:32

I've found myself in a really crappy situation but I'll try to make it short and sweet. I, along with my daughter have been in our current rental for the last 8 years. I started dating my partner nearly 4 years ago and he lives just up the road from me, mortgage free. We both have children from previous relationships, my daughter who is 18 and off to uni this week and his daughter who is 15, still in school. His wife passed away 6 years ago. His daughter has struggled, but we became incredibly close quite quickly. She is also close to my daughter and they see each other as sisters. I have never tried to replace her mum and I made it clear from the beginning that I would not get involved in their arguments or try to discipline her. Ex really struggles to set boundaries and she speaks to him like rubbish most of the time. She has a lot of anger issues I feel and they argue a lot which can make the atmosphere sometimes unbearable.
He has tried to arrange counselling multiple times but she isn't interested.

Recently my landlord made me aware that he was thinking of selling up in the next few months. For a while I have wondered where our relationship was heading so we both decided to have a talk about the next steps, with the most obvious one being to move in together, especially since I'm paying nearly £600 a month in rental fees even though I spend most of my time at his house. He agreed that he wanted me to move in and live with them. We sat his daughter down to have a chat and to make sure she was okay with it. She's had a rough start to life and we agreed that we wouldn't do it if she wasn't happy with the idea. Initially she was over the moon and said she couldn't wait for me to move in, that she couldn't wait to have another girl around the house to do girly things, have pamper and movie nights etc. She is also extremely unhappy with her weight (as am I) and we both said that we would exercise together and make healthy meals. It was going to be our little activity that didn't involve her dad. Just us girls. At no point did she us tell or make us feel that she wasn't comfortable or happy with the idea, until this week, a week before I am due to move out of my current place.

It has come to light that she now doesn't want me to move in and is really unhappy with the idea. She told her dad on Wednesday night that if I come she will move in with her auntie. This isn't the impression she gave us when we spoke to her a month ago. The last few weeks she has been excited and has even helped me move boxes in. He hasn't said anything or tried to explain to her that it is too late for her to change her mind. I suspect that she has realised at the last minute that this is all real and actually going to happen and it’s scared her. Perhaps it was foolish of us to believe that she was happy with the idea but we had talked about it in depth several times before making the decision and then over these last few weeks she seemed so excited for me to come. Even though we agreed that we wouldn’t do it if she was unhappy, it is a slightly different situation now as I’m suppose to be moving out next Friday.

Initially my landlord said he would give me 6 months to find somewhere else before putting the house up for sale, however I gave him notice straight away (after having agreed with partner to move in with them) so he put it on the market immediately. Estate agent believes it will sell quickly as there has already been quite a few viewings. Luckily landlord has said I can stay for another month, and then we will take it week by week until the house sells or if I find somewhere else. I haven’t spoken to my partner since yesterday morning after he decided to send me links to a property in the next town (a 1 bed flat above a youth hostel). This was the first I’d heard from after he told me that his daughter didn’t want me to move in. He has kindly told me he will loan me the money for a deposit on another rental if needs be. No apology or any concerns for my well-being, he’s just carried on as normal. Rentals don’t come up that often in this area and if they do, they are normally priced at around £700+pcm which I can’t afford. I work full time but can only stretch to around £600 which I was currently pay. I also have a dog that we’ve had since he was a puppy and I’m not prepared to give him up. My daughter absolutely adores him and would be so heartbroken. I was lucky that my landlord didn’t mind pets but not many others feel the same way as it is advertised on their websites.
Partner has offered to take the dog if needs be (so he’ll have my dog, but not me. Lovely) but hopefully it won’t come to that. I do have friends and family that could take him if I can’t find a rental that accepts pets. Buying a property is not possible unfortunately.

Our relationship is over, although I’m not sure he is aware of that and thinks we will be carrying on as normal. I am absolutely heartbroken as I still love him but I just feel so hurt and I still can’t believe he could do this to me. My daughter is off to Uni tomorrow so I’m trying my best to hold it all together so she can enjoy her last couple of days at home before leaving. I don’t want her to see me upset but she is equally hurt by what they’ve done. We’ve sold a lot of our furniture and packed our lives up ready to move next week. It is such a shit show and I will never rely on a man ever again after this. I have seen a couple of rentals within the area, which have been on Rightmove for a while now. They are out my price range by around a £100 a month. Would I be unreasonable to phone the estate agent up and explain my situation and see if the landlord will consider reducing the rent? If the property has been sitting there empty for months and they are desperate for the income, do you think they might consider it? I feel cheeky for even asking but if you don’t ask you don’t get I suppose! What do I have to lose at this point, right?

If you’ve managed to read the whole post, thank you. Please be nice, I'm feeling pretty fragile and stressed at the moment.

OP posts:
TractorAndHeadphones · 10/09/2021 14:47

It’s not cheeky at all! Negotiating is part of business life. Just do it and pp have given useful tips for making your proposal attractive.
Also you’re right to break up! His daughter has no right to be dictating what her father can’t do. I suspect she’s just a convenient scapegoat.

QueenBee52 · 10/09/2021 14:50

Try everything OP you can OP ... 🎉

TractorAndHeadphones · 10/09/2021 14:50

@Derbee

It’s definitely worth asking. Also, property sales take AGES, so there’s no need to move out immediately. I’m sure the landlord would rather have the house occupied.

I’d take the deposit money from your ex, but don’t pay it back. It’s the least he can do for you

This OP. He owes you the money. I’d be very very angry - it’s not just the fact that he did ; it’s that he’s made no apology, nothing. Even the ‘loan’ if he has lots of spare cash doesn’t mean anything as you’ll pay it back. I wouldn’t want to be involved with a man who’d put me out on the street like that (which is what he’d essentially done). He should be finding you properties, calling around, doing everything in his power to help!
PricklesTheHedgehog · 10/09/2021 14:52

He doesn't sound a very empathetic person.

Ask estate agent for a rental reduction and go your own way. Good luck. 🍀

TheRebelle · 10/09/2021 14:58

I’d ring the lettings agent and ask, they can only say no but they might know of other cheaper rentals that are coming up or landlords who are desperate to find a tenant with a good reference so will accept a reduction in rent.

MyPatronusIsACat · 10/09/2021 15:01

@10stepsback I am so sorry for you... What a dreadful situation. At least you realised your DP was a bit of a flaky unreliable git before you got super serious, (or pregnant!)

And go for it! Ask for a reduction in rent. All the best. Flowers

Winter2020 · 10/09/2021 15:05

Hi OP,
I’m opening a can of worms here but if I was a relative e.g. Auntie I would have my worries and concerns and want reassurance that the property and assets of the previous relationship would be ring fenced and safeguarded for the daughter.

You have mentioned your partner has a mortgage free house. This was possibly paid off by the life insurance of the deceased mother - or possibly the couple worked and paid it off together.

As a mum it is a genuine worry to me that if I died (leaving our family’s current assets, my life insurance and my death in service) my husband could remarry and/or have further children and our joint children in time could be disinherited (e.g. my husband remarries and dies first) and never benefit from the help the financial safeguards such as life insurance were meant for (for my kids not a new partner or new children).

It’s also something you need to think about if you live in a house that you have no rights to in the event of your partners death.

If it’s not something that you have talked about you should talk it out (if you are not “done”. It could be the elephant in the room for your partner and other relatives.

My husband has been sworn that he would give any assets mean’t for the kids over to them before he remarries or gets joint finances/house etc.

WindyWindsor · 10/09/2021 15:07

These issues with rent and having a dog would have existed if the daughter initially said no to you moving in. What was your plan B if she said this?

Obviously you're in an awful situation last minute now and that is not fair at all. I'm not sure how your partner is seemingly not bothered at all that you'll be homeless in a week. He should at the very least tell DD that you're staying there until you can find your own place because she can't just last minute change her mind and make you homeless.

Also, I've multiple times offered and gotten rental properties at a lower rent than advertised. No sympathy sorry either to tell, I just asked and got. You'd be surprised at how much being a lone female adult tenant with no kids moving in would go in your favour. Not saying that's right but that's generally how it works. So definitely try.

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FortVictoria · 10/09/2021 15:12

Don’t have any advice re estate agents but just wanted to send you flowers Flowers. So sorry this has happened to you.

QueenBee52 · 10/09/2021 15:14

These issues with rent and having a dog would have existed if the daughter initially said no to you moving in. What was your plan B if she said this?

OP would have taken her Landlords offer of a full 6 months termination of lease.. before putting the rental on the market..

But due to her exDP and his DD initially being agreeable to OP moving in.. OP declined her Landlords offer... OP's rental is in high demand for viewings already and is expected to sell quickly ... unfortunately ...

MyOtherProfile · 10/09/2021 15:14

I don't suppose you can move in with family short term?

kwiksavenofrillsusername · 10/09/2021 15:23

Have you tried Open Rent and Gumtree? Speaking to landlords directly is usually best if you have pets as many agents will just say no without negotiation.

I’m sorry for your situation. It’s so shit.

LadyOfLittleLeisure · 10/09/2021 15:23

Just thought, you've maybe dodged an even bigger bullet in that imagine you'd moved in and the daughter could randomly turf you out for any reason Confused

AryaStarkWolf · 10/09/2021 15:25

Definitely make an offer, all they can say is no, as my mother would say a dumb priest never gets a Parish :p

Regarding the Partner situation, what a shit he is. To not even act like it's a big thing as well. And yeah him offering to take your dog would absolutely rub salt in the wound, glad you're leaving him.

Christinatherabbit · 10/09/2021 15:25

Sounds like a really stressful situation to be in. I definitely think you are doing the right thing by ending it but I would definitely wait till he had given you the money for deposit first. Him and his daughter have put you in this horrible position...its the least he can do!

Joystir59 · 10/09/2021 15:26

I am sorry you are in this predicament but in the long term you will see that this is all happening for a good reason- you would have been dependent on his and his daughters good will for the roof over your head. Better this happened now really.

AryaStarkWolf · 10/09/2021 15:27

@QueenBee52

These issues with rent and having a dog would have existed if the daughter initially said no to you moving in. What was your plan B if she said this?

OP would have taken her Landlords offer of a full 6 months termination of lease.. before putting the rental on the market..

But due to her exDP and his DD initially being agreeable to OP moving in.. OP declined her Landlords offer... OP's rental is in high demand for viewings already and is expected to sell quickly ... unfortunately ...

Plus I think she mentioned selling some furniture which she may now need?
GreyhoundG1rl · 10/09/2021 15:29

Of course it's worth a shot, you've literally nothing to lose 🍀

MrsFlinch · 10/09/2021 15:30

@WizardOfAus

I haven’t spoken to my partner since yesterday morning after he decided to send me links to a property in the next town (a 1 bed flat above a youth hostel). This was the first I’d heard from after he told me that his daughter didn’t want me to move in. He has kindly told me he will loan me the money for a deposit on another rental if needs be. No apology or any concerns for my well-being, he’s just carried on as normal.

Are you 100% sure it's his daughter who doesn't want you to move in? Have you spoken to her directly about it?

Reading between the lines, I suspect it's actually HIM that doesn't want you to move in. He's the one having second thoughts.

The fact you've barely heard from him makes me wonder if he's just put all the blame onto his daughter.

Yes this was my thinking also!
LivingOnAnIsland · 10/09/2021 15:32

It looks to me that the daughter wants to prove that she is in control - and your partner should actually tell her rather than ask her. Shame to split up over this.

beastlyslumber · 10/09/2021 15:39

I must admit I did wonder if this was his daughter's decision. Tbh it's obviously what he wants.

I would tell him you need at least £2000 to cover your costs. Don't dump him until the money's in your account.

ShuddaBeenMe · 10/09/2021 15:45

I wonder if he's got cold feet

I don't understand why you've not told him it's over though

RedRocketGirl · 10/09/2021 15:48

@10stepsback
Urghh what a shitshow of a situation, I am so sorry that you are going through this. Hope your daughter gets off to Uni OK.

Re the flats to rent my strong advice would be to go and view them, and if you are interested then have a discussion with the agent and offer to pay the rent you can afford. I'd suggest putting a case together that establishes the benefits of renting to you, long term tenant, reliable, in employment, solo occupant, able to move in immediately etc. Can you get a reference from your current landlord?

Good luck Flowers

Loudestcat14 · 10/09/2021 15:54

I also suspect this is more him than her. After everything you've said about your great relationship with her OP, it doesn't stack up that she would just flip like this. Plus his eagerness to help you find another flat and look after your dog smacks of his own guilt, not just covering for hers. Has your DD spoken directly to her, given they're as close as sisters?

I hope you can find somewhere quickly and can negotiate the rent down. I don't blame you for seeing the relationship as over – where can you possibly go from here? Good luck. Flowers

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