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I know it's cheeky but should I just go for it?

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10stepsback · 10/09/2021 12:32

I've found myself in a really crappy situation but I'll try to make it short and sweet. I, along with my daughter have been in our current rental for the last 8 years. I started dating my partner nearly 4 years ago and he lives just up the road from me, mortgage free. We both have children from previous relationships, my daughter who is 18 and off to uni this week and his daughter who is 15, still in school. His wife passed away 6 years ago. His daughter has struggled, but we became incredibly close quite quickly. She is also close to my daughter and they see each other as sisters. I have never tried to replace her mum and I made it clear from the beginning that I would not get involved in their arguments or try to discipline her. Ex really struggles to set boundaries and she speaks to him like rubbish most of the time. She has a lot of anger issues I feel and they argue a lot which can make the atmosphere sometimes unbearable.
He has tried to arrange counselling multiple times but she isn't interested.

Recently my landlord made me aware that he was thinking of selling up in the next few months. For a while I have wondered where our relationship was heading so we both decided to have a talk about the next steps, with the most obvious one being to move in together, especially since I'm paying nearly £600 a month in rental fees even though I spend most of my time at his house. He agreed that he wanted me to move in and live with them. We sat his daughter down to have a chat and to make sure she was okay with it. She's had a rough start to life and we agreed that we wouldn't do it if she wasn't happy with the idea. Initially she was over the moon and said she couldn't wait for me to move in, that she couldn't wait to have another girl around the house to do girly things, have pamper and movie nights etc. She is also extremely unhappy with her weight (as am I) and we both said that we would exercise together and make healthy meals. It was going to be our little activity that didn't involve her dad. Just us girls. At no point did she us tell or make us feel that she wasn't comfortable or happy with the idea, until this week, a week before I am due to move out of my current place.

It has come to light that she now doesn't want me to move in and is really unhappy with the idea. She told her dad on Wednesday night that if I come she will move in with her auntie. This isn't the impression she gave us when we spoke to her a month ago. The last few weeks she has been excited and has even helped me move boxes in. He hasn't said anything or tried to explain to her that it is too late for her to change her mind. I suspect that she has realised at the last minute that this is all real and actually going to happen and it’s scared her. Perhaps it was foolish of us to believe that she was happy with the idea but we had talked about it in depth several times before making the decision and then over these last few weeks she seemed so excited for me to come. Even though we agreed that we wouldn’t do it if she was unhappy, it is a slightly different situation now as I’m suppose to be moving out next Friday.

Initially my landlord said he would give me 6 months to find somewhere else before putting the house up for sale, however I gave him notice straight away (after having agreed with partner to move in with them) so he put it on the market immediately. Estate agent believes it will sell quickly as there has already been quite a few viewings. Luckily landlord has said I can stay for another month, and then we will take it week by week until the house sells or if I find somewhere else. I haven’t spoken to my partner since yesterday morning after he decided to send me links to a property in the next town (a 1 bed flat above a youth hostel). This was the first I’d heard from after he told me that his daughter didn’t want me to move in. He has kindly told me he will loan me the money for a deposit on another rental if needs be. No apology or any concerns for my well-being, he’s just carried on as normal. Rentals don’t come up that often in this area and if they do, they are normally priced at around £700+pcm which I can’t afford. I work full time but can only stretch to around £600 which I was currently pay. I also have a dog that we’ve had since he was a puppy and I’m not prepared to give him up. My daughter absolutely adores him and would be so heartbroken. I was lucky that my landlord didn’t mind pets but not many others feel the same way as it is advertised on their websites.
Partner has offered to take the dog if needs be (so he’ll have my dog, but not me. Lovely) but hopefully it won’t come to that. I do have friends and family that could take him if I can’t find a rental that accepts pets. Buying a property is not possible unfortunately.

Our relationship is over, although I’m not sure he is aware of that and thinks we will be carrying on as normal. I am absolutely heartbroken as I still love him but I just feel so hurt and I still can’t believe he could do this to me. My daughter is off to Uni tomorrow so I’m trying my best to hold it all together so she can enjoy her last couple of days at home before leaving. I don’t want her to see me upset but she is equally hurt by what they’ve done. We’ve sold a lot of our furniture and packed our lives up ready to move next week. It is such a shit show and I will never rely on a man ever again after this. I have seen a couple of rentals within the area, which have been on Rightmove for a while now. They are out my price range by around a £100 a month. Would I be unreasonable to phone the estate agent up and explain my situation and see if the landlord will consider reducing the rent? If the property has been sitting there empty for months and they are desperate for the income, do you think they might consider it? I feel cheeky for even asking but if you don’t ask you don’t get I suppose! What do I have to lose at this point, right?

If you’ve managed to read the whole post, thank you. Please be nice, I'm feeling pretty fragile and stressed at the moment.

OP posts:
Brollypackedforscottishholiday · 10/09/2021 16:38

We paid pet bond over 6 years now.
Our ll certainly doesn't stick to his responsibilities
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10stepsback · 10/09/2021 16:39

So sorry for the late reply. I posted this morning then had to get back to work and I've only just had a chance to skim over the replies. Firstly, I just wanted to say thank you so much for all your kind comments and best wishes, I really do appreciate it. I was quite scared to post on here as I know some posters don't take to kindly to "step mothers". We normally get on fine and she can be a really sweet girl when she wants to be but also has a temper if she doesn't get her own way. She has often snapped at my daughter for absolutely no reason, other than she's just been in one of her moods. I would say she has him wrapped around her little finger and will often guilt trip him if she doesn't get what she wants. It's silly things such as if he asks her to fill or empty the dish washer or take the rubbish out. If she doesn't want to do something more often than not she will start to cry and bring up her mum. Of course she is still in the grieving process and I completely understand that. I lost my mum when I was 39 (now 48) and that was very painful for me, so I can only can imagine what it must have felt like for her to lose her mum at the age of 9. It's absolutely gut wrenching and not something that you ever get over, no matter how much time has passed.

I have never tried to take the place of her mum and always made it clear that I would not get involved in any arguments between them nor would I try to discipline her. I have always left that up to him, except he doesn't discipline her, for anything. She does whatever she wants and talks to him like a peace of dirt and he enables her behaviour. I know he's afraid of upsetting her so just lets her do whatever she wants without any consequences. I’m not trying to critique his parenting as there’s no such thing as a perfect parent and they have both been through a terrible time, but just want to give you all a clear description of the situation. In no way did we force her into this as some posters have suggested and I think that’s actually quite an unfair assumption. I did not force my way into their family. We both spoke with her to see if she would be happy with the idea but we made it clear to her in the beginning that if she didn’t feel comfortable with it then that was fine to. I also didn’t give notice on my current house until 3 weeks after we had spoken to her so she did have some time to think about it and there were many times that she was alone with her dad and could have spoken up and told him how she really felt. I agree her feelings should be taken into consideration, absolutely, which is what we tried to do but to let her have her own way now when it is essentially going to leave me homeless is extremely hurtful and a really hard pill to swallow.

I suspect and agree with other posters that he might have got cold feet, but I think that is down to the fact that he doesn’t want to upset her. I don’t believe it’s because he doesn’t want me there. I know that living together isn’t the be all and end all and I’m sure there are lots of couples who live separately, but I actually do want to live with my partner (whoever that is) and share a life together. I do still love him very much and it will be extremely painful to walk away, after all we have spent 4 years of our lives together but I can’t see this relationship actually going anywhere now. Yes, we can move in together when his daughter moves out, but when will that be? in 5 years? 10 years? I’m nearly 50 years old and I want to start enjoying my life and sharing it with someone. I’ve brought my daughter up and she’s now leaving to go off and enjoy her own life and it’s time for me to do the same.

He thinks he can just throw a bit of money at me and that a rental will miraculously appear. Anyone who has ever rented before or currently rents will know that’s not how it works. I can possibly find somewhere that I can afford for the first few months but it needs to be affordable for the foreseeable future.
There is absolutely nothing stopping me from moving further afield, but in terms of prices it doesn’t make a huge difference really. I also need to take my job into consideration and I can’t move too far away otherwise it will end up costing me hundreds more in travel costs. There is no option for me to work from home either unfortunately. I will definitely give a couple of the estate agents in my area a ring tomorrow morning and see if they can help. Luckily I have friends and family that would be happy to take my dog for the time being until I can sort something, but hopefully it won’t come to that. I just have to focus on my daughter this weekend and getting her all settled in Uni. Then I can sort myself out… hopefully. And breath…

OP posts:
CousinKrispy · 10/09/2021 16:40

Yeah, I can understand what you're saying about the wellbeing of the 15 year old, Embroidery. But the issue is not that she's being a typical teenager, it's that her dad is letting her dictate things rather than taking the grown-up approach. He hasn't even said "Hang on, DD needs a little more time to adjust to this so can we sort a stopgap for you for 6 months?"

OP may not ever be able to trust him again to make sensible, adult decisions instead of caving to a teenager's changes of mind.

I do agree they should talk, but I think OP should find another place to live (definitely ask for a rent reduction based on what a good tenant you are!) and do the talking from there, rather than forcing herself into a home that may not be stable for her.

elkiedee · 10/09/2021 16:42

I'm sorry that you're in such a dreadful situation. I'm not sure though that the ex's dd is being totally unreasonable, or that she's entirely to blame. Perhaps her aunt or other family members have expressed their views.

I do think that perhaps the decision to move in with a partner has to be based on how it would work for all of you including children. This guy's home is his dd's home too. That said, agreeing to something and backing out in a way that leaves you potentially homeless is totally rubbish, and sending you links to the flat above the hostel is insulting. You're better off out of this relationship.

I hope that you find a new home to live in which is better for you.

3luckystars · 10/09/2021 16:42

I didn’t say leave him? I said I bet he will be stunned when the relationship ends, get on with your life, he will probably come knocking and it’s up to you what you want then.

Sorry if I worded it wrongly. I think they will work it out!!

CousinKrispy · 10/09/2021 16:45

Sorry, crossposted with OP. You sound like such a compassionate and sensible person, OP, and it sounds like you've been very understanding toward the daughter (who certainly does have her own difficulties, poor thing). I think you are right to take responsibility for yourself and your DD; the dad needs to take responsibility for managing his own daughter's wellbeing. It is not your responsibility to make up for his mishandling of this.

I hope you find a place to live very soon and find a partner who values you.

NeilBuchananisBanksy · 10/09/2021 16:47

Have you actually said to him that effectively this leaves you homeless at this stage? I'd be furious at the link to the flat- you have lost a lovely home too soon and he's sending unsuitable properties. It's very callous. I'd be laying out clearly and factually what this means.

littlefireseverywhere · 10/09/2021 16:48

That must be so unsettling for you on all accounts, I hope you find somewhere else to live. What a worry.

Pebbledashery · 10/09/2021 16:51

All you can do is ask. But I guess they have advertised it at that price for reason. You could ask for a reduced rate but once your income increases you'll pay the full rate or rent. No harm in asking

Paddingtonthebear · 10/09/2021 16:52

What a crap situation, sorry to hear!
Yes call and see if the rentals will consider a lower offer. I did this a long time ago and offered a cheeky £200 a month less and got it!

NewmummyJ · 10/09/2021 16:52

Please don't be hard on yourself, what a rubbish situation. I don't think the daughter should be allowed to turnaround at this late stage, the implications on you (economically) etc are beyond her comprehension but unfortunately her father is unable to create and maintain boundaries from your account so this has been permitted.
Anyway, as a landlord myself I would say absolutely make an offer on those properties that have been on the market a while. If my rental property is vacant 3 months at £700 that's £2100 lost income, if I have a tenant at £600 month vs £700, that's a loss of £1200/year, not to mention bills I have to pay on an empty property such as service charge, council tax etc so it's a no brainer as long as it's a good tenant.

Tistheseason17 · 10/09/2021 16:53

Good luck with your search tomorrow - def ask.

Harlequin1088 · 10/09/2021 16:56

My Dad was a single parent too and if I'd pulled a stunt like this when I was 15 I'd have been told to suck it up buttercup.

Definitely get some rent money out of him before you dump him as he's caused this absolute shitshow you now find yourself in.

Re: the dog, the law was changed in January I believe and landlords can't tell tenants that they cannot have pets. That said, it might be an idea to ask your current landlord to write a reference for your dog so that any new landlord can see that you're a responsible pet owner with no noise complaints and you have always covered the cost of any damage caused by the dog, etc.

Farfalle88 · 10/09/2021 16:57

I think he should have you to stay until you find somewhere you can afford at least, and pay for you to put your stuff in storage. However I appreciate the atmosphere would be awful if you have split up. I suspect his daughter will bitterly regret having ruined your relationship in the future, but you can't trust him or her now. I really hope you find somewhere that you can afford soon.

Genevie82 · 10/09/2021 17:01

Hi Op... what’s happened is really crap for you and your daughter.. 💐what a massive let down by your partners attitude. Defo approach estate agents to see if they will give a reduction - a long term let may do this with a good ref from your former landlord and also think about different geographic areas now your not so tied xx

NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/09/2021 17:01

Bit of a difference from the usual 'put your child above your man' here?

Yaya26 · 10/09/2021 17:02

I suspect it wasn't the daughter who got cold feet. Xx

Blueskythinking123 · 10/09/2021 17:02

@10stepsback had you informed student finance you were moving in with your partner. If yes, you will need to change that as it will impact your DD's maintenance loan.

FrankButchersDickieBow · 10/09/2021 17:03

The daughter lost her mum at a young age. You cannot underestimate the impact and affect this had on her.

You asked her permission if you could move in and now it's a reality, she's changed her mind.

Shame on people calling her a diva and a princess etc.

cookingisoverrated · 10/09/2021 17:03

I don't blame you for saying the relationship is over, OP. It's been 4 years. You want to live together; he said he wanted the same thing, and his daughter agreed. Her change of heart weeks later leaves you in the shit (you've sold your furniture, you've given notice, you can't stay where you are and they knew that), and rather than explain to his daughter that this is happening and it will all be fine, he goes silent except to send you a link to a place you can't afford?

Arsehole.

Not someone who has your back.

Your description of his relationship with his daughter is an indicator that you are right: this is about his fear of upsetting her rather than changing his own mind. Bad parenting and bad partner.

I hope you find someplace appropriate.

tempester28 · 10/09/2021 17:07

Definitely let him know that this is the end of the line for the relationship so that he doesn't think you can just carry on and essentially nothing changes for him. If you had been together 1 year then I would say give it time but 4 years then well.

Bookworm20 · 10/09/2021 17:08

What a terrible situation. I can't believe he just backtracked like that, and then sent you a link to a flat! What an arse. And I'm so sorry this is the end of your relationship, when you were thinking the next steps were just a few weeks away and were looking forward to being happy together.
I too wonder if its him getting cold feet, not actually the daughter. Have you spoken to the daughter since her apparant change of mind?

Just get through the weekend for your daughter OP, you sound like an absolutely lovely mum. You deserve so much better than being treated like this.

shockthemonkey · 10/09/2021 17:10

Dear 10steps, in your situation I would not hesitate to ask, and do so with my head held high.

I wish you all the best for your future.

Feelingoktoday · 10/09/2021 17:13

@Joystir59

I am sorry you are in this predicament but in the long term you will see that this is all happening for a good reason- you would have been dependent on his and his daughters good will for the roof over your head. Better this happened now really.
This.

Both families should have moved into a neutral property. We are talking about an only child whose mum died when she was 10 or 11. Of course she is upset and the “aunt” probably has raised some concerns. I think you all were a little gullible to think it was going to go smoothly, has the dad cleared out the mums clothes yet? Arendt possessions still laying around?

Houses can take months to sell. Calm down. Speak to the dad and see what’s going on.

Ponypizzy · 10/09/2021 17:15

Have you tried talking to your partner to tell him how you feel? I know you feel let down it’s appalling but could you work through this? His dd is understandably upset but she needs to understand that her behaviour has had serious consequences for you and your dd. Change can be a hard part of life and prior to this she seemed to accept you albeit with a few hiccups. If everyone took a step back and tried to make it work it could be a great future for you all could it not? If it’s a no and he is adamant you can’t move in or you already feel like it’s over then you need to tell him how this has affected you. I’m so sorry this has happened you sound so sad. 💐