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I know it's cheeky but should I just go for it?

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10stepsback · 10/09/2021 12:32

I've found myself in a really crappy situation but I'll try to make it short and sweet. I, along with my daughter have been in our current rental for the last 8 years. I started dating my partner nearly 4 years ago and he lives just up the road from me, mortgage free. We both have children from previous relationships, my daughter who is 18 and off to uni this week and his daughter who is 15, still in school. His wife passed away 6 years ago. His daughter has struggled, but we became incredibly close quite quickly. She is also close to my daughter and they see each other as sisters. I have never tried to replace her mum and I made it clear from the beginning that I would not get involved in their arguments or try to discipline her. Ex really struggles to set boundaries and she speaks to him like rubbish most of the time. She has a lot of anger issues I feel and they argue a lot which can make the atmosphere sometimes unbearable.
He has tried to arrange counselling multiple times but she isn't interested.

Recently my landlord made me aware that he was thinking of selling up in the next few months. For a while I have wondered where our relationship was heading so we both decided to have a talk about the next steps, with the most obvious one being to move in together, especially since I'm paying nearly £600 a month in rental fees even though I spend most of my time at his house. He agreed that he wanted me to move in and live with them. We sat his daughter down to have a chat and to make sure she was okay with it. She's had a rough start to life and we agreed that we wouldn't do it if she wasn't happy with the idea. Initially she was over the moon and said she couldn't wait for me to move in, that she couldn't wait to have another girl around the house to do girly things, have pamper and movie nights etc. She is also extremely unhappy with her weight (as am I) and we both said that we would exercise together and make healthy meals. It was going to be our little activity that didn't involve her dad. Just us girls. At no point did she us tell or make us feel that she wasn't comfortable or happy with the idea, until this week, a week before I am due to move out of my current place.

It has come to light that she now doesn't want me to move in and is really unhappy with the idea. She told her dad on Wednesday night that if I come she will move in with her auntie. This isn't the impression she gave us when we spoke to her a month ago. The last few weeks she has been excited and has even helped me move boxes in. He hasn't said anything or tried to explain to her that it is too late for her to change her mind. I suspect that she has realised at the last minute that this is all real and actually going to happen and it’s scared her. Perhaps it was foolish of us to believe that she was happy with the idea but we had talked about it in depth several times before making the decision and then over these last few weeks she seemed so excited for me to come. Even though we agreed that we wouldn’t do it if she was unhappy, it is a slightly different situation now as I’m suppose to be moving out next Friday.

Initially my landlord said he would give me 6 months to find somewhere else before putting the house up for sale, however I gave him notice straight away (after having agreed with partner to move in with them) so he put it on the market immediately. Estate agent believes it will sell quickly as there has already been quite a few viewings. Luckily landlord has said I can stay for another month, and then we will take it week by week until the house sells or if I find somewhere else. I haven’t spoken to my partner since yesterday morning after he decided to send me links to a property in the next town (a 1 bed flat above a youth hostel). This was the first I’d heard from after he told me that his daughter didn’t want me to move in. He has kindly told me he will loan me the money for a deposit on another rental if needs be. No apology or any concerns for my well-being, he’s just carried on as normal. Rentals don’t come up that often in this area and if they do, they are normally priced at around £700+pcm which I can’t afford. I work full time but can only stretch to around £600 which I was currently pay. I also have a dog that we’ve had since he was a puppy and I’m not prepared to give him up. My daughter absolutely adores him and would be so heartbroken. I was lucky that my landlord didn’t mind pets but not many others feel the same way as it is advertised on their websites.
Partner has offered to take the dog if needs be (so he’ll have my dog, but not me. Lovely) but hopefully it won’t come to that. I do have friends and family that could take him if I can’t find a rental that accepts pets. Buying a property is not possible unfortunately.

Our relationship is over, although I’m not sure he is aware of that and thinks we will be carrying on as normal. I am absolutely heartbroken as I still love him but I just feel so hurt and I still can’t believe he could do this to me. My daughter is off to Uni tomorrow so I’m trying my best to hold it all together so she can enjoy her last couple of days at home before leaving. I don’t want her to see me upset but she is equally hurt by what they’ve done. We’ve sold a lot of our furniture and packed our lives up ready to move next week. It is such a shit show and I will never rely on a man ever again after this. I have seen a couple of rentals within the area, which have been on Rightmove for a while now. They are out my price range by around a £100 a month. Would I be unreasonable to phone the estate agent up and explain my situation and see if the landlord will consider reducing the rent? If the property has been sitting there empty for months and they are desperate for the income, do you think they might consider it? I feel cheeky for even asking but if you don’t ask you don’t get I suppose! What do I have to lose at this point, right?

If you’ve managed to read the whole post, thank you. Please be nice, I'm feeling pretty fragile and stressed at the moment.

OP posts:
DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult · 10/09/2021 14:05

2 adults sat a bereaved 15 year old girl down and made her decide whether they could live together or not.

Of course she initially said yes. Poor thing sounds railroaded.

Anyways op, you have nothing to lose in asking for a reduction. If your landlord is willing to give you a glowing reference then a reliable tenant may be worth more than £100 a week to someone.

FindYourPorpoise · 10/09/2021 14:06

Yes, put in an offer and don't feel awkward or cheeky about it. I have done this a few times and the landlords have always negotiated a lower rent. They can be more open to this if you are able to move in quickly (which you are) and offering a longer tenancy length can help, e.g. saying you will take a two year term instead of one.

annacondom · 10/09/2021 14:09

It sounds as if you have a reasonable landlord, and even if she sells straight away it will take several weeks to go through, so you may have longer than you think. In my (limited) experience, landlords value a good, reliable tenant at a reasonable rent than a cf tenant who can pay more but may cause problems or stop paying. Get a good reference from your ll and your work. Good luck Flowers

Fubitch · 10/09/2021 14:10

Fingers crossed for you. Absolutely he should have told her it was too late now.

Lockdownbear · 10/09/2021 14:10

The worse that happens is they say no, but I'd have a go at negotiating ask for £550, so you are able to negotiate up to the £600.

PinkiOcelot · 10/09/2021 14:11

What an awful situation OP. I really hope you get something sorted.
I agree with PP who have asked if you’re sure it’s his daughter who has put the kibosh on things?!
The fact that he hasn’t been in touch much at all says it all really.

TheWeatherWitch · 10/09/2021 14:13

Why are you both letting a 15 year old child dictate the rest of your lives?

I was in exactly the same position, I moved in with my widowed partner, (now my husband) after my tenancy came to an end and his then 12 year old daughter didn’t want me there. Well…guess what, she left home for university and DH and I are still very happy.

Is he worth fighting for? Only you know the answer to that one but good men are few and far between. Don’t cut off your noise to spite your face.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 10/09/2021 14:13

You should definitely go for it and ask them. As others have said, what have you got to lose?

But I agree your “partner” has behaved very shoddily towards you. I can understand why this is over for you.

Kuachui · 10/09/2021 14:15

I would definitely be leaving him because he doesn't seem to care how your life is affected but also you've been together for 4 years... When IS he planning on making the next commitment move?

I wouldn't waste my time either. I'm sure the girl will realise what a mistake she has made then but to me it's too late. It's inconsiderate.

Doubledoorsontogarden · 10/09/2021 14:17

I’ve let my home out to a lady with two dogs. It does happen OP. Register with and charm all the letting agents in your area.

Why does your relationship need to be over? He is prioritising his DD. I think she’s had a wobble, the loss of her mum has returned.

I would continue in the relationship, ask him for help with your rent if you want. Take a year contract somewhere, don’t panic, if your landlord gets an offer it will be minimum 7/8 weeks before exchange. If you want a future with this man I think you can.

RunningFromInsanity · 10/09/2021 14:21

I don’t think he did anything wrong by putting his daughter first. Mother’s are always encouraged to pick children over partners and this is no different.

QueenBee52 · 10/09/2021 14:23

I think that its very suspicious and I agree that the DD is being used as scapegoat for your now ExDP to pull out if this plan..

Shocking behaviour from exDP.. and he really is showing you his true feeling for you.. sadly it doesn't amount to much after 4 years does it..

I wish you and your own DD the very best of luck.. you sound like a really savvy strong woman ..

So glad you are ending this .. with this piece of shit 🌸

TomorrowSomething · 10/09/2021 14:24

I think some agents just say no pets as standard but many landlords might consider one if asked. Especially with good references. There's no harm in asking, and about the rent reduction (I actually did this once and the landlord agreed to a lower price). Good luck with it.

billy1966 · 10/09/2021 14:25

Awful situation.

Definitely approach the EA and sell yourself as an excellent long term bet.

Hope it works out for you.

Wardrobes123 · 10/09/2021 14:26

YANBU.

I can see why the DD panicked and changed her mind but her dad should have had a discussion with her about consequences of her decision and that not being possible at such a late stage. It is your partner, not his daughter, who has really let you down and I guess you know that given you've ended the relationship.

Definitely ask for a reduction in rent, you sound like a good tenant and some landlords would rather take a little less but know you will look after the place, than get the full amount but not know what those renters will do with the place.

Also Flowers sounds like you and your DD are really close and strong women. I hope everything gets sorted for a new place for you.

Mulhollandmagoo · 10/09/2021 14:28

@thesussedguilders

You need to sell yourself as an excellent tenant, and avoid any tales of woe. LLs label tenants that come across as having personal or financial problems as high risk and avoid them.

In your favour you are a single woman with a dc at university. That says low wear and tear, and women rightly or wrongly re assumed to be cleaner, tidier, and more likely to be house proud. You have an excellent reference from your previous LL. Are you in stable employment? If yes, say so. Offer an increased deposit for the pet, and agree to contract terms such as professional carpet cleaning at the end of the let? How big is the dog? Is he very old? LLs will prefer a small short haired dog that isn't incontinent with age (obviously). If he is this say so!

I've let out property before. Happily gave discounts for single tenants, and was open to discussion about pets. LL are looking for the best option for them, which is a low risk tenant. The actually weekly rent is often secondary.

Good luck.

This in buckets!!!

Focus on what you are bringing to the arrangement rather than any problems you're having!! as this poster says, single adult with a full time wage, negotiate the rent you have absolutely nothing to lose.

Could you bunk in with friends/family for a short while whilst you get on your feet?

Good luck OP....I hope you're numbers come up

theemmadilemma · 10/09/2021 14:30

Defo ask about the rent and get a glowing recommendation.

Sadly while the 15 year old had the final say, this was always going to happen imo. She's 15. Next week she might regret it. And she'll figure out the reason the relationship ended was her decision. Terrible idea to let her have all that control for her own sake too.

SunLovingMum · 10/09/2021 14:30

OP, if you don't ask, you don't get so ask for the reduction.

You’re also very right to end the relationship. The DP cannot be trusted to try to balance your needs and those of his daughter’s. Could you imagine if you were moved in and then she changed her mind? You were already in your way having moved some of your items over. AND they let it get to the point you sold your furniture! AND gave notice! Could you imagine if your landlord had entered into a rental agreement with someone else?

Vey right to have consulted his daughter but this far down the line to renege is just so wrong. You can never move forward with this relationship in case his DD changes her mind.

Darkstar4855 · 10/09/2021 14:31

What a horrible situation for you, OP. I’m all for putting children first but letting his daughter dictate who he lives with at such a late stage is unfair and will not help the issues he’s having with her. It sounds like he has shown very little concern or respect for you. So to be honest I think you’ve had a lucky escape. I hope you find somewhere else to live.

sadie9 · 10/09/2021 14:32

It was a lot to put on a 15yr old girl who's already struggling emotionally.
"We sat his daughter down to have a chat and to make sure she was okay with it"
We all tend to agree with someone in the conversation because we want to please them. The 15yr likely felt forced into this, even if she didn't say so. It was a bit controlling for you to be involved in 'sitting her down' to tell her your plans.
Telling her your plans isn't the same as respecting that she has an equal say as her Dad does in her household of two.
You should have asked her and then given her several weeks to think about it. She already struggles with control, and having you two and your dog coming to stay permanently (and taking her Dad's attention permanently) is very very different. Your daughter is off to college so it'll be you two lovebirds with his daughter the 'outsider' in her own home.
I understand your issue but I hope you can see the daughter did the right thing as far as I can see. If she's not happy to make the arrangement permanent that's her right.

WorriedMama101 · 10/09/2021 14:41

I am so sorry you're in the situation OP. I say call up and ask the estate agents. You never know they may be willing to reduce it.

I also agree with a number of pp's and say that this all your partners fault (ex). He ultimately has the decision of what happens in HIS home. So he should have had the balls to over ride any decision made by his daughter

beastlyslumber · 10/09/2021 14:41

What a horrible thing to happen, OP. Your partner's daughter probably doesn't understand the implications for you, and for her relationship with you and your DD. But your partner definitely should have! He hasn't done her any favours here and I expect she'll end up feeling very upset when she realises the consequences. It's not her fault - your partner has dealt with this horribly.

Usecoooomonsnse · 10/09/2021 14:41

@10stepsback

Property sales take a while. Easily a few months from when the offer is accepted.
Ask your current landlord to agree for 3 months extension with a week notice if either you find a place or the exchange/ completion date is agreed. That gives you a bit more time to find something that suits you.

Boobieboobieboobie · 10/09/2021 14:45

Do it! What turd he is!

Derbee · 10/09/2021 14:46

It’s definitely worth asking. Also, property sales take AGES, so there’s no need to move out immediately. I’m sure the landlord would rather have the house occupied.

I’d take the deposit money from your ex, but don’t pay it back. It’s the least he can do for you