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I know it's cheeky but should I just go for it?

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10stepsback · 10/09/2021 12:32

I've found myself in a really crappy situation but I'll try to make it short and sweet. I, along with my daughter have been in our current rental for the last 8 years. I started dating my partner nearly 4 years ago and he lives just up the road from me, mortgage free. We both have children from previous relationships, my daughter who is 18 and off to uni this week and his daughter who is 15, still in school. His wife passed away 6 years ago. His daughter has struggled, but we became incredibly close quite quickly. She is also close to my daughter and they see each other as sisters. I have never tried to replace her mum and I made it clear from the beginning that I would not get involved in their arguments or try to discipline her. Ex really struggles to set boundaries and she speaks to him like rubbish most of the time. She has a lot of anger issues I feel and they argue a lot which can make the atmosphere sometimes unbearable.
He has tried to arrange counselling multiple times but she isn't interested.

Recently my landlord made me aware that he was thinking of selling up in the next few months. For a while I have wondered where our relationship was heading so we both decided to have a talk about the next steps, with the most obvious one being to move in together, especially since I'm paying nearly £600 a month in rental fees even though I spend most of my time at his house. He agreed that he wanted me to move in and live with them. We sat his daughter down to have a chat and to make sure she was okay with it. She's had a rough start to life and we agreed that we wouldn't do it if she wasn't happy with the idea. Initially she was over the moon and said she couldn't wait for me to move in, that she couldn't wait to have another girl around the house to do girly things, have pamper and movie nights etc. She is also extremely unhappy with her weight (as am I) and we both said that we would exercise together and make healthy meals. It was going to be our little activity that didn't involve her dad. Just us girls. At no point did she us tell or make us feel that she wasn't comfortable or happy with the idea, until this week, a week before I am due to move out of my current place.

It has come to light that she now doesn't want me to move in and is really unhappy with the idea. She told her dad on Wednesday night that if I come she will move in with her auntie. This isn't the impression she gave us when we spoke to her a month ago. The last few weeks she has been excited and has even helped me move boxes in. He hasn't said anything or tried to explain to her that it is too late for her to change her mind. I suspect that she has realised at the last minute that this is all real and actually going to happen and it’s scared her. Perhaps it was foolish of us to believe that she was happy with the idea but we had talked about it in depth several times before making the decision and then over these last few weeks she seemed so excited for me to come. Even though we agreed that we wouldn’t do it if she was unhappy, it is a slightly different situation now as I’m suppose to be moving out next Friday.

Initially my landlord said he would give me 6 months to find somewhere else before putting the house up for sale, however I gave him notice straight away (after having agreed with partner to move in with them) so he put it on the market immediately. Estate agent believes it will sell quickly as there has already been quite a few viewings. Luckily landlord has said I can stay for another month, and then we will take it week by week until the house sells or if I find somewhere else. I haven’t spoken to my partner since yesterday morning after he decided to send me links to a property in the next town (a 1 bed flat above a youth hostel). This was the first I’d heard from after he told me that his daughter didn’t want me to move in. He has kindly told me he will loan me the money for a deposit on another rental if needs be. No apology or any concerns for my well-being, he’s just carried on as normal. Rentals don’t come up that often in this area and if they do, they are normally priced at around £700+pcm which I can’t afford. I work full time but can only stretch to around £600 which I was currently pay. I also have a dog that we’ve had since he was a puppy and I’m not prepared to give him up. My daughter absolutely adores him and would be so heartbroken. I was lucky that my landlord didn’t mind pets but not many others feel the same way as it is advertised on their websites.
Partner has offered to take the dog if needs be (so he’ll have my dog, but not me. Lovely) but hopefully it won’t come to that. I do have friends and family that could take him if I can’t find a rental that accepts pets. Buying a property is not possible unfortunately.

Our relationship is over, although I’m not sure he is aware of that and thinks we will be carrying on as normal. I am absolutely heartbroken as I still love him but I just feel so hurt and I still can’t believe he could do this to me. My daughter is off to Uni tomorrow so I’m trying my best to hold it all together so she can enjoy her last couple of days at home before leaving. I don’t want her to see me upset but she is equally hurt by what they’ve done. We’ve sold a lot of our furniture and packed our lives up ready to move next week. It is such a shit show and I will never rely on a man ever again after this. I have seen a couple of rentals within the area, which have been on Rightmove for a while now. They are out my price range by around a £100 a month. Would I be unreasonable to phone the estate agent up and explain my situation and see if the landlord will consider reducing the rent? If the property has been sitting there empty for months and they are desperate for the income, do you think they might consider it? I feel cheeky for even asking but if you don’t ask you don’t get I suppose! What do I have to lose at this point, right?

If you’ve managed to read the whole post, thank you. Please be nice, I'm feeling pretty fragile and stressed at the moment.

OP posts:
littleloopylou · 11/09/2021 01:56

Sorry, OP. What a rubbish situation.

PurpleOkapi · 11/09/2021 03:06

It's a terrible situation, but I don't understand why you think it's primarily his fault. He's in an impossible situation here, and you had just as much to do with creating it as he did. You mutually agreed that the daughter would have veto power over you moving in. Neither of you considered the possibility that this girl with known mental health and behavior issues might change her mind somewhere between her initial reaction and you actually moving in, weeks or months later. That's no more his fault than it is yours. It seems like neither of you made clear to her that there could be no mind-changing, because neither of you thought of it. You must have been the one who made the ultimate decision to tell your landlord that you'd be out ASAP rather than asking for the full six months offered. And now you're effectively saying that to continue the relationship, he has to go back on his promise to his daughter (that you also agreed to) and force her to live with you. The fallout from that is likely to kill the relationship anyway, so maybe ending it now is for the best, but I still don't think you're being entirely fair here.

QueenBee52 · 11/09/2021 03:20

And now you're effectively saying that to continue the relationship, he has to go back on his promise to his daughter (that you also agreed to) and force her to live with you. The fallout from that is likely to kill the relationship anyway, so maybe ending it now is for the best, but I still don't think you're being entirely fair here.

The OP had said No such thing.. you literally made that bullshit up.. if you are going to criticise the OP at least have the decency to read her Posts correctly instead of a half hearted scan and then just make it up as you type FFS

YOU are not being entirely fair here EITHER !?

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 11/09/2021 04:38

What a dreadful situation to be in.

I have read all your posts, @10stepsback but not all of the thread so this may have already been suggested - is there ANY chance that you could possibly transfer jobs to somewhere nearer to where your DD is going to University and rent somewere there instead?

That would halve a couple of advantages - you'd be nearer to your DD in case she had trouble finding accommodation once student accommodation is finished, and you'd be out of the area of your soon-to-be-exDP, so it would be easier to make a fresh start.

I understand this may not be possible (in terms of job, rental prices in wherever DD Is going to Uni etc.) but it was another idea.

PurpleOkapi · 11/09/2021 04:51

@QueenBee52

And now you're effectively saying that to continue the relationship, he has to go back on his promise to his daughter (that you also agreed to) and force her to live with you. The fallout from that is likely to kill the relationship anyway, so maybe ending it now is for the best, but I still don't think you're being entirely fair here.

The OP had said No such thing.. you literally made that bullshit up.. if you are going to criticise the OP at least have the decency to read her Posts correctly instead of a half hearted scan and then just make it up as you type FFS

YOU are not being entirely fair here EITHER !?

Our relationship is over, although I’m not sure he is aware of that and thinks we will be carrying on as normal. I am absolutely heartbroken as I still love him but I just feel so hurt and I still can’t believe he could do this to me.

Er, what did you think she meant by "do this to me"? Whatever "this" is, it's clearly the reason OP is ending the relationship. Do you think it means something other than not letting her move in?

None of this is fair to anyone. That's a very predictable outcome when ones gives troubled 15-year-olds this sort of power over major adult decisions. I just don't share OP's view that what her (ex?) BF is doing is obviously the Wrong Thing, and letting her move in over his daughter's objections - despite the promises both of them made to the daughter - would obviously be the Right Thing. Both of them played an equal role in fouling things up so badly that there is no right answer, and for that reason, I think it's unfair to paint it as primarily his fault.

IrishMel · 11/09/2021 05:17

Horrible situation that you now find yourself in but just think how worse it could have been if you had moved in and this all happened. Things will work out and yes ask the estate agents and get references from your landlord and work. Do not contact him and if he contacts you just tell him you are done. Yes it is good he puts his daughter first but I feel he may also have had something to do with it and the changing of his mind. You would never feel like it was your own home and you sound like a lovely strong woman and just be kind to yourself. Have moved so many times and know how stressful it is but you will find a place and it will be a new start.

zonkyzonky · 11/09/2021 05:34

It's a really unsettling situation to be in, and I hope you find a new rental soon Op.

I was just wondering, and please don't take this the wrong way, how much of your desire to be "a family" with this man was subconsciously (or not) driven by your vulnerability and lack of secure housing? The reason why I'm asking is because I went through a long period of time in my 20s and early 30a living in insecure housing and although I was childless at the time, I'd happily ditch my rental and move in with whoever I was dating at the time (I'm describing my 2 serious long term relationships here in particular). On reflection, I only moved in with one of them because I was so tired of the stress of renting on the open market. After many years of distress and moving around, I finally managed to purchase a one bed flat via a shared ownership scheme and am currently pregnant (single mum by choice) and my outlook on wanting to be a family with a man is now completely different: no way would I entertain losing my security for a relationship (I appreciate you dated your partner for 4 years). I remember how awful I felt having to rent while one of my partners at the time lived in a mortgaged flat, which at the time cost much lower than what I was paying in rent, it brought out a lot of insecurity in me (I did contribute to the household by paying my proportion of the bills/food etc.). I don't want to sound entitled as I acutely remember the insecurity of it all, but you were in a vulnerable position from the start in this relationship and if I'm correct in remembering, the ex partner lives in a mortgage free house?

Is there any way you could explore more secure housing arrangements even if it's rentals via housing associations in your area?

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/09/2021 06:58

@ohdelay
Perhaps people would be calling a man a cocklodger if the roles were reversed.

But I (and I would hope other people) would also be saying in a reversed scenario the op needs to ensure the man, who has given up his home and sold most of his furniture is in a position to house himself and his child.

Op has intentionally made herself homeless. The contract is broken even if both parties were to agree to a reversal and a new AST would be needed. She is no longer a tenant in situ. Ergo she can’t present to the council even if she waited to be evicted.

In his position and if he wants the relationship to continue, he should agree to pay half op’s rent. He has behaved despicably.

Bella43 · 11/09/2021 07:41

Hello OP. I hope you managed to have a good night's sleep. Have you thought of contacting Citizen's Advice about your housing situation? They will also give you financial advice and make sure you're getting all that you're entitled to. Social services are also very helpful. I know this is a horrible situation for you to be in but it's better you find out now rather than later that your lives can turn on a hairpin according to how his daughter feels. As you already know, teenagers are very unpredictable. I commend you for raising your daughter single-handedly and seeing her off to university - what a proud moment. This is YOUR time now. It sounds like this man is in a difficult position too. I'd be devastated if my daughter threatened to move out. She could be telling her aunt anything if this was the case. I'm not trying to defend him here, I'm just trying to put myself in his shoes.

Either way, it sounds like you've dodged a bullet. I was with a man who put his children first to such an extent that they and their mother were running the show. I was so supportive and went along with everything but in the end it got too much. Living in that environment would've proved very stressful. His one son spoke to him like dirt. It's very emotionally draining seeing someone you love being treated like that. You'd have been living in that sort of environment. I hope you find your own place, have some time out to get your head around your daughter leaving and figure out from there what you want to do next. Good luck OP. I hope it all works out for you 😊

Binting · 11/09/2021 07:44

I’m sorry but losing your mum as a fully grown adult is a world apart from losing her as a child. There is absolutely no comparison and your experience in no way correlates to hers at all.

Absolute nonsense! I lost my mum when I was 10 years old (and dad when I was 5). Losing a parent as a young child or as an adult child is awful whatever age you are, in fact I think that in some ways it could be worse to lose a parent as an adult as the relationship is deeper with more shared experience. Whatever age you are, you are still a ‘child’ losing a parent.

OP, I agree that you have been treated really badly by your DP. He is not doing his DD any favours here, even if she really has changed her mind and truly cannot bear the thought of you and your DD moving in, she needs to be aware of the consequences of the sudden change of plan. I was very vocal about what I wanted for my future at 10 years old and got my way, unfortunately what I thought was best turned out to be one of the worst decisions I ever made. Sometimes children need some gentle but firm guidance/advice when it comes to major life decisions, especially when they affect other people’s lives.

I’m sure you will find somewhere to live within your price range and think that you have made a wise decision to end your relationship with your DP. Good luck to you and your DD (and DDog) 🌹

Binting · 11/09/2021 07:53

@IReallyLikeCrows 💐

Surewhynot · 11/09/2021 08:58

There’s an awful lot of projection and bizarre advice on this thread. Not to mention the frankly bonkers suggestion that the OP just turned up and moves in anyway. Hmm

@10stepsback You sound like a decent and sympathetic person who has been badly let down. You haven’t done anything wrong and I would ignore the posters trying to make out that you’re the one in the wrong and creating weird scenarios in their own heads.

I would definitely try negotiating with a potential LL but as others have said, not based on personal circumstances but based on your reliable history. Good luck.

Autumngoldleaf · 11/09/2021 08:59

If this was me I would absolutely allow my child to change their mind.

However at this late stage I would be warning my dc that we can't let someone go out on the streets and that we either offer them to stay while they find somewhere or I would give not loan money to help them get housed.

Op said it needs to be somewhere they can afford but that's what I'd do.

ohdelay · 11/09/2021 09:10

@Mummyoflittledragon I agree the OP is in a bad position with potentially being homeless but I don’t agree he has acted despicably. He has put his daughter before his girlfriend. I’m uncomfortable with the description of his daughter’s MH issues, being troubled, divaish, a princess. She should get to say no as it’s her home too. Blending families should happen if everyone is bought in and not just be in response to a current need

Kiduknot · 11/09/2021 09:14

I know that’s she’s had a terrible time, but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t need boundaries. She does have too much control if she rules the roost.

What he should have said to her, was that the decision was made, she had every opportunity to have her say, you now had no home and that you were going to move in.
Having moved in, then it would soon be obvious whether it was going to work in every aspect of the dynamic.

If he’s willing to lose you over this, then that’s a shame.
He might not realise that in your eyes this is the end of the road. He might just think you can carry on as normal.

grannybee55 · 11/09/2021 09:20

It doesn't matter what the thread is on here, some posters will always find a way to have a dig at the op. She has literally done nothing wrong...she has lived alone and supported her child to university age. She spoke to the stepdaughter at length about moving in after a 4 year relationship and been encouraged to do so. Yet she's still being accused of being demanding and needy. Honestly, some of you must just want to stick the boot in and have a row because there is not one ounce of unreasonableness from the op here.

Instead she has sold her belongings and made herself homeless only to be let down on the whim of a stroppy teenager who has been given too much control. Of course we should listen to our kids, of course we should put them first but this is a child who apparently talks to her dad like shit and uses her mother's death as an excuse not to do chores. Is that ok? Should the dad not be stepping up here and taking some control rather than allowing this type of behaviour?

In this scenario the right thing to do would be explain to the daughter that due to her prior agreement the op now has nowhere to go so she will be moving in at least until she can find somewhere else. Maybe it would have worked as a trial period scenario, maybe the op would have had to move again who knows. But it would at least have shown a bit of compromise and consideration rather than leaving the op high and dry, which is despicable.

happinessischocolate · 11/09/2021 09:36

So sorry this has happened OP, having to find a new rental is stressful at the best of times, doing it after having been let down massively and in a short timeframe is even worse.

OPENRENT is a great website where landlords advertise direct, rather than through an estate agent. I found my house on there after it was recommended on these boards. My landlord allows pets and had a couple of properties up but they were out of my budget so I contacted him saying how lovely one of his houses was and did he have anything a bit cheaper. He offered it at slightly lower rent and I stretched my budget a bit, and have now lived in this lovely house 3 years.

Good luck, it's a massive shame what's happened, but his blasé attitude to you having to now find somewhere would finish it for me too.

Wardrobes123 · 11/09/2021 09:36

Good luck getting your DD settled at her uni today. I hope it goes smoothly for her and for you.

I think you’ve been level headed and clear about the situation. Some posters will always project their own problems into a thread, but you’ve clearly been very considerate to your ex partners DD, and it’s obvious that it’s your ex that you are angry and hurt with, and rightfully so.

I hope you manage to find somewhere soon.

Also @IReallyLikeCrows you post was so moving Flowers

AmelieLovesAutumn · 11/09/2021 09:42

[quote ohdelay]@Mummyoflittledragon I agree the OP is in a bad position with potentially being homeless but I don’t agree he has acted despicably. He has put his daughter before his girlfriend. I’m uncomfortable with the description of his daughter’s MH issues, being troubled, divaish, a princess. She should get to say no as it’s her home too. Blending families should happen if everyone is bought in and not just be in response to a current need[/quote]
He's acted disputable in the way he has handled it! IF His DD has actually said that she doesn't want the OP to move in seriously (which I doubt, I think it's FAR more likely he's said no to something and she's retaliated, but whatever...) he should have gone to the op & said, DD has said x, what are WE going to do? At which point an adult discussion could have taken place. He didn't, he just said. DD says no, here's a link to a crap rental in the next town, I can give you money for the deposit if you need it!

They've been together 4 years, she gave notice on her place when she didn't need to, her DD is off to Uni & he just shrugs his shoulders.

Fuck that shit.

AgentJohnson · 11/09/2021 09:59

She does whatever she wants and talks to him like a peace of dirt and he enables her behaviour.

I’m sorry this is happening to you but given the above, what the hell were you thinking! Even if his daughter hadn’t of changed her mind their relationship dynamic clearly isn’t healthy and you moving in wasn’t going to change that. Given her change of heart, what is he supposed to do? It sounds like you both got carried away and acted in haste but you’re the one who had more to lose.

You say the relationship is over but you haven’t communicated that to him which suggests it probably isn’t as over as you’re saying.

I hope you secure suitable accommodation.

ohdelay · 11/09/2021 10:06

Daughter trumps girlfriend. Four years of separate households. They’re not married and dont parent each other’s kids. They are two separate households and families. This was a decision taken a month ago to blend and the daughter has now said she doesn’t want this to happen. The OP has done nothing wrong but neither has he.
He may also not be keen to merge households for the usual mumsnet reasons - outright ownership of his home being clouded if he takes any money from OP, feeling used if he doesn’t take any money from OP, it going wrong and being stuck in the same house with OP and her daughter, losing his own space and his way of life changing. These are all fine.
OP says the relationship is over anyway so probs for the best this happened now. Demonising the daughter and dad is stupid. The OPs housing situation was going to change regardless

BeenAroundTheWorldAndIII · 11/09/2021 10:13

Ignore the haters! Some people on MN 🙄🙄
You have been dating for 4 years, you haven't just sprung this on his DD after a couple of months (like many of the threads we read on MN!). You sound like you have invested time in your relationship with his DD as well as DP. You certainly haven't come across as needy or that you have bribed the child (honestly people love to read between the lines and cause drama for dramas sake!).
I do think the DP owes you a financial cost for replacing the items you have sold. You have done that on good faith you no longer needed them and now you do.
It's such a shame it has come to this when it all sounded like a healthy blended family scenario.
I hope you find a property soon OP and a healthy, happy relationship in the future!

crowsfeet57 · 11/09/2021 10:29

Just a thought, OP, but two of my children found lovely rental properties on the local facebook pages. They are absolutely lovely properties, both two bedroom houses for less than the average price for flats in the area. One was a few years ago and the other was this summer.

If you are not already looking on local sites maybe give it a try.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 11/09/2021 10:54

i don't think the DP has acted despicably but I do think it's a bit shit to have left the OP in this hole.

And whoever said anything about her being a female cocklodger? I doubt very much that the OP would have been moving in free of charge - at the very least she would have been paying half the utlities, and possibly rent as well.

zonkyzonky · 11/09/2021 10:59

@ohdelay

Daughter trumps girlfriend. Four years of separate households. They’re not married and dont parent each other’s kids. They are two separate households and families. This was a decision taken a month ago to blend and the daughter has now said she doesn’t want this to happen. The OP has done nothing wrong but neither has he. He may also not be keen to merge households for the usual mumsnet reasons - outright ownership of his home being clouded if he takes any money from OP, feeling used if he doesn’t take any money from OP, it going wrong and being stuck in the same house with OP and her daughter, losing his own space and his way of life changing. These are all fine. OP says the relationship is over anyway so probs for the best this happened now. Demonising the daughter and dad is stupid. The OPs housing situation was going to change regardless
I agree with the above poster, there very well could have been other reasons why there was a last minute change of heart, a reality check of the situation? I've said in an earlier post that the poster was coming from a more vulnerable housing position, and this in turn may have spurred her ex partner to reconsider the living arrangements.