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To think shyness ruins your life?

164 replies

shylady75 · 01/09/2021 23:24

I’ve always been chronically shy. School was a real ordeal for me - I never made many friends and whenever the teacher singled me out I would go bright red and freeze up. This made me an easy target for bullies from a young age.

In adulthood I hoped things would improve as I got older but they never did - I now blush and sweat profusely whenever any sort of attention is directed towards me.

I was a straight A student at school but never achieved much career-wise, and I blame my shyness for this. Let’s face it, no one wants to hire the blushing sweaty awkward person over someone ‘normal’, no matter how good their CV.

I do have a lovely DH and two DC, who are also showing signs of shyness and that worries me a lot - the last thing I want is for them to turn out like me and struggle the way I did.

I see a lot in the media about people being more accepting of mental health issues, but shyness to the extent that you’re blushing and sweating is still a big taboo.

AIBU to think shyness is a terrible condition that ruins lives?

OP posts:
LargeBouquet · 01/09/2021 23:56

What, if anything, have you done to combat it?

missbunnyrabbit · 02/09/2021 00:06

I agree, I've always been painfully shy. Have gotten a lot better as an adult, but still a lot shyer than a normal person.

Wopies · 02/09/2021 00:09

I agree. I was waiting for the confidence to come with age but if anything it is getting worse.

XenoBitch · 02/09/2021 00:10

Yeah, I am very shy. If I am out with my mum and she bumps into someone she knows, I hide behind her and get in a state. I am in my 40s!

AnyFucker · 02/09/2021 00:13

What, if anything, have you done to combat it

It isn’t something that you can really just decide to “combat” Hmm

ladyface69 · 02/09/2021 00:13

Have you tried CBT OP? It sounds like social phobia to me, and can be lessened by CBT.

Gintime74 · 02/09/2021 00:14

I was always painfully shy, still am but have grown more confident with every year and experience.
It’s difficult but you have to just face your demons, join a club, sign up for a course, join a gym. The more you do the more you will increase in confidence and the shyness will become less obvious.
Make sure you are doing things that you enjoy and have an interest in.
You will find that there are many other shy people out there .

Gintime74 · 02/09/2021 00:16

Sorry, my post seems a bit unsympathetic, I didn’t mean it that way. You may need some form of coaching or counselling first in order to make the next steps.

FuckYouCorona · 02/09/2021 00:21

I've always been painfully shy & anxious. Always felt like everyone else had a copy of the life rules & I hadn't got mine. When my DC started struggling & were subsequently diagnosed ASD it was like a huge lightbulb moment to me. Have you looked into things like ADHD & ASD? Not knowing the rules is often at the root of severe anxiety & shyness. My eldest was originally dismissed as just shy until eventually diagnosed with ASD 10 years later. Medication for anxiety has been enormously helpful. Flowers

thistimelastweek · 02/09/2021 00:23

What exactly is shyness?

Is it the same as self-consciousness? Because I suffered horribly from that for most of my young adulthood.

You wouldn't know now but I have moments.

SoundBar · 02/09/2021 00:28

"Shy" isn't a helpful way to describe it. It's too vague. And it sounds like a permanent part of your personality. Which isn't true. At home with DH are you shy? Of course not.

Unpack it OP. What is actually going on when you feel shy? What are your thoughts and feelings? What situations or triggers?

From specific observations you can begin to change the way you perceive yourself and therefore change your responses

HeddaGarbled · 02/09/2021 00:29

I think it can impinge on it, but not “ruin” it.

sprinkleyumnut · 02/09/2021 00:31

I'm pretty shy. In a crowd of people I just fade into the wall. It doesn't ruin your life that is a harsh way of putting it but it does limit it in areas for example socialising, having a big group of friends, even having any friends. I have a very small circle. I wish I had more friends but at the same time I am content. It's just me.

SeaShoreGalore · 02/09/2021 00:32

What, if anything, have you done to combat it

Jesus Christ, it's not a work appraisal!

sprinkleyumnut · 02/09/2021 00:34

@thistimelastweek

What exactly is shyness?

Is it the same as self-consciousness? Because I suffered horribly from that for most of my young adulthood.

You wouldn't know now but I have moments.

It's not the same as self consciousness but that could be part of a reason for it. It is where you feel uncomfortable talking to others, you don't speak, you keep to yourself or with your very small group of people you feel comfortable around. You feel put off loud people and intimidated by them. People tend to feel sorry for you or think you are cute or think you are an easy target. A lot of people probably don't know who you are.
MimiDaisy11 · 02/09/2021 00:37

I was a straight A student at school but never achieved much career-wise, and I blame my shyness for this. Let’s face it, no one wants to hire the blushing sweaty awkward person over someone ‘normal’, no matter how good their CV

I know a lots demanded of schools but I wish there was more emphasis on developing as a person. In the real world it’s not all about grades but as a child I thought it was.

sprinkleyumnut · 02/09/2021 00:39

@SoundBar

"Shy" isn't a helpful way to describe it. It's too vague. And it sounds like a permanent part of your personality. Which isn't true. At home with DH are you shy? Of course not.

Unpack it OP. What is actually going on when you feel shy? What are your thoughts and feelings? What situations or triggers?

From specific observations you can begin to change the way you perceive yourself and therefore change your responses

I'm a bit confused as to what you are getting at here. A person doesn't have to be shy at all times to be considered shy. They may only be shy outside of their comfort zone, obviously when they get to know others they are no longer shy with them. It is how us shy people naturally are with people we don't know well. It isn't a facade or an armour we put up. We just don't know how to communicate properly with others and I don't believe it can be taught, as then it would be forced and unnatural.
sprinkleyumnut · 02/09/2021 00:40

@FuckYouCorona

I've always been painfully shy & anxious. Always felt like everyone else had a copy of the life rules & I hadn't got mine. When my DC started struggling & were subsequently diagnosed ASD it was like a huge lightbulb moment to me. Have you looked into things like ADHD & ASD? Not knowing the rules is often at the root of severe anxiety & shyness. My eldest was originally dismissed as just shy until eventually diagnosed with ASD 10 years later. Medication for anxiety has been enormously helpful. Flowers
I believe a lot of us who are shy are actually autistic. I have never been assessed.
MadameMonk · 02/09/2021 00:48

I definitely think there are better strategies for dealing with chronic shyness than just waiting and hoping to ‘age out’ of it. You aren’t doomed, there’s inner work you can do.

Confidence is a long process, building one tiny brick (gained through positive experiences) at a time, over years. No one wakes up one day with a ready-built tower of confidence. It’s like other life skills- resilience, manners, dealing with disappointment. Good parenting can make a big difference with it. Guiding kids away from negative self-talk, reframing experiences towards confidence (so finding the ‘wins’) and even nudging them towards a ‘fake it till you make it’ occasionally, so they can feel the joy of the rewards confidence brings.

A metaphor I heard once on this really stuck with me. People with very low and very high confidence (so, the extreme ends of the spectrum) actually exhibit a very similar trait. They are the centre of their own world, they see everything in life through a lens of their own self-interest/self-worth. In a way, both have an unhealthy (and unhelpful) obsession with ‘me’, even though the self-talk around it will be different.

So in theory, the solution should logically lie in shifting your focus to other people, to the moment and reminding yourself that it just isn’t ‘all about you.’ Other people just aren’t that focussed on you, so why project all that attention (and power) on them? In your example, the teacher is just making the rounds, asking everyone to contribute equally to the class (as is their job). They don’t really care about you, or your answer. They aren’t going to note it, or remember it, so why should you?

There are anxiety techniques you can learn to deal with the ‘Uh oh, she’s going to ask me next’ rising fear feelings. There’s other mind strategies to employ after you answer to reward yourself and lower your stress responses back to normal. With practice, these become second nature.

I just don’t believe there’s any benefit in labelling yourself (or kids) with ‘shy’ or other personality traits. It can only hold you back. Rewrite your history to see the pattern of wins more clearly, then do the same for your kids? We all have inner work to do, and it’s quite do-able.

I wonder if you’ve looked into the Enneagram? It can be a very useful model of human psyche, around 9 personality types and how to accentuate the positive (plus mitigate the challenges). It’s a more nuanced type of ‘labelling’, I suppose, but I’ve found it amazing for setting a direction for ‘inner work’ and working with personalities very different to my own.

To answer your AIBU, yes, I think considering shyness as an immovable ‘doomed trait’ could make life unnecessarily harder and more stressful. Healthy confidence almost inevitably leads to better opportunities, relationships and greater happiness. So it’s worth doing something about it.

Holskey · 02/09/2021 00:54

@SoundBar

"Shy" isn't a helpful way to describe it. It's too vague. And it sounds like a permanent part of your personality. Which isn't true. At home with DH are you shy? Of course not.

Unpack it OP. What is actually going on when you feel shy? What are your thoughts and feelings? What situations or triggers?

From specific observations you can begin to change the way you perceive yourself and therefore change your responses

Yes to this.

I agree with what you're saying OP, but it is not necessarily the case that a person can't overcome it. It's not helpful to see it that way either.

I found Vanessa Van Edwards helpful. She gives tips for interactions. Things you don't even notice you're doing or not doing when speaking to people. I found having actual physical and small steps to try helpful.

FlowersinJune · 02/09/2021 01:02

I always use to think my DH was shy - he would have said the same. After some concerns being raised about one of our children (which turned out not to be founded) my DH is going to be assessed for ASD. It has definitely impacted his career progression. He’s in a technical job, but I think will never get promoted from where he is as the next levels require more sales/networking, which he is dire at. He will literally sit when we have friends over and not say anything. He use to say it’s “oh I like to listen”, but it has become increasingly clear he actually doesn’t really now what to do.

I’m not saying you have ASD, but as others have said vague “I’m shy” can be really unhelpful and not get to the route of your problems. I think you would be best seeing a good psychologist to work through what exactly is underlying your shyness.

MsAmerica · 02/09/2021 01:02

@shylady75

I’ve always been chronically shy. School was a real ordeal for me - I never made many friends and whenever the teacher singled me out I would go bright red and freeze up. This made me an easy target for bullies from a young age.

In adulthood I hoped things would improve as I got older but they never did - I now blush and sweat profusely whenever any sort of attention is directed towards me.

I was a straight A student at school but never achieved much career-wise, and I blame my shyness for this. Let’s face it, no one wants to hire the blushing sweaty awkward person over someone ‘normal’, no matter how good their CV.

I do have a lovely DH and two DC, who are also showing signs of shyness and that worries me a lot - the last thing I want is for them to turn out like me and struggle the way I did.

I see a lot in the media about people being more accepting of mental health issues, but shyness to the extent that you’re blushing and sweating is still a big taboo.

AIBU to think shyness is a terrible condition that ruins lives?

Shyness is neither terrible nor ruins a person's life - unless you think of it that way and let it do that to you. It's not a mental health issue and there's no taboo.

Imagine, by contrast, if you had Tourette's, or even just a stutter. It's a pity that your parents didn't encourage you to work on it - or that you didn't try on your own to overcome it. Unfortunately, although I understand your hope that it would magically improve on its own as you grew up, most things don't unless we work on them.

It's not too late, though. Have you ever talked to a counselor?

JockTamsonsBairns · 02/09/2021 01:05

What, if anything, have you done to combat it?

What an incredibly unthinking response. Was there really nothing else you could think of to post?

ShrikeAttack · 02/09/2021 01:12

What do you actually mean by shy @shylady75?

Were your parents not very sociable?

lilseb · 02/09/2021 01:15

Maybe. I've been very negative about my own shyness recently - although that is part of my own lack of self esteem, and I think it's the latter that is really hurting my progress. Sometimes I'm not shy at all (such as with people I know well) but the self esteem issue is constant. Like you, I did well in school but have had no social skills to deal with career.

However, I read a book called "Quiet" though (forget the author) and that's entirely about people who are not extroverted have unique attributes in a workplace. Not sure if quiet = shy but perhaps the book will help you see your own strengths? Perhaps we are not recognising the ways that people who are shy can help in other ways I.e maybe being particularly self aware and indirect better, more reflective workers.

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