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to be pleased with the Ofcam ruling on Piers Morgan

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TeloMere · 01/09/2021 12:51

Even though I can't stand the bloke?

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ohtobeyoungagain · 03/09/2021 20:42

I think by public, they mean the RF and Government. Plenty of coverage at the time, but I cannot bother.......................

I do remember the 'lets cheer them up after Brexit' narrative though.

ohtobeyoungagain · 03/09/2021 20:44

The condemnation of the prices came when the wedding was done, with the papers pretending we footed the wedding bill and not going into much detail about who was paying.

Penny must have started to drop for H&M then, the tender trap they were falling into.

Earlydancing · 03/09/2021 20:56

Who had the narrative that a big wedding was needed two years after the Brexit vote and before we'd even left?

The RF isn't public and if Harry had said no, what could they have done? Govt will follow what the Queen says.

Honestly, this is all phooey. If H&M had said no, no one would/could have stopped them. They never announced Archies godparents and no one undermined that. She could have made it smaller by not inviting Oprah and George Clooney who she didnt even know. I was sad when they left the RF, I thought she was a great asset. But all the crap I keep reading makes me reassess and I feel like I've been taken for a fool.

CathyorClaire · 03/09/2021 21:04

If that’s what she wanted though, and she had to have a fancy one, I feel bad for her

On the plus side she got to meet A-listers whose orbit she'd never crossed before and some barely since

The condemnation of the prices came when the wedding was done, with the papers pretending we footed the wedding bill and not going into much detail about who was paying

There was lots of speculation about the cost prior to the event and as we all suspected we turned out to have footed 95 or so % of it.

Depending which rag you click on it's up there as the first or second most expensive of the decade beating even Wills.

CathyorClaire · 03/09/2021 21:10

Honestly, this is all phooey. If H&M had said no, no one would/could have stopped them.

Quite.

ohtobeyoungagain · 03/09/2021 21:11

@Earlydancing

Who had the narrative that a big wedding was needed two years after the Brexit vote and before we'd even left?

The RF isn't public and if Harry had said no, what could they have done? Govt will follow what the Queen says.

Honestly, this is all phooey. If H&M had said no, no one would/could have stopped them. They never announced Archies godparents and no one undermined that. She could have made it smaller by not inviting Oprah and George Clooney who she didnt even know. I was sad when they left the RF, I thought she was a great asset. But all the crap I keep reading makes me reassess and I feel like I've been taken for a fool.

Yes, all the crap you are reading.

Why would they object, doubt they had any strong feelings against a big wedding but as it was suggested, they probably went along with it and saw nothing wrong per se.

As for Brexit, it was 2yrs later, the cracks were showing, as you should well know, the country was at the height of divide with no deal in place (and apparently still is divided on the issue).

Also Clooney disputed the not knowing her claim same day it came out.

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ohtobeyoungagain · 03/09/2021 21:20

British media at play again, you don't need official data to work out that W&K wedding was official with state heads and officials, more guests etc. Yet we are supposed to believe that H&M's wedding cost way more?

Nicely fits in with the extravagant, pushy princess narrative doesn't it.

Blossomtoes · 03/09/2021 21:25

@CathyorClaire

Honestly, this is all phooey. If H&M had said no, no one would/could have stopped them.

Quite.

Remember “What Meghan wants, Meghan gets”? If she’d wanted a teeny, tiny wedding in a registry office, that’s what she’d have got.
CathyorClaire · 03/09/2021 21:31

Yet we are supposed to believe that H&M's wedding cost way more?

Do you have creditable links showing it didn't?

CathyorClaire · 03/09/2021 21:33

Remember “What Meghan wants, Meghan gets”? If she’d wanted a teeny, tiny wedding in a registry office, that’s what she’d have got.

With or without a tiara Grin

WinTheNight · 03/09/2021 21:38

Remember “What Meghan wants, Meghan gets”

Straight from the daily mail?

Earlydancing · 03/09/2021 21:42

First of all there were Brexit cracks on 24th June 2016. As useless as politicians are, I don't believe any of them thought PHs wedding would miraculously mend them! At best it could defer them...for a day!

Secondly, if they went along with the wedding, that's as good as approving it.

Thirdly, it was PH that had met George Clooney through charity work. They weren't friends. Apparently MM had met Oprah once. I read that clip you attached. It just says their rep denied they ever made a certain comment. They did not say they were all friends. At the time of the wedding I was told some of this by friends but I really didn't care. I liked the wedding and I thought she was a great addition. I did think it was strange that these people she didn't know were sat in her family section but it I laughed about it and forgot it. But after that MM has used that connection with OW and I feel she was able to do that because of the invite to the wedding and it has all become a bit icky. And then their behaviour since they left....

Anyway, I can see you're a big supporter so we're not going to agree which is fine. But I just feel like I was conned by two ostensibly charming people that turned out to be very different than I thought they were.

ohtobeyoungagain · 03/09/2021 21:44

Whatever (insert name of Royal wife here) wants, she gets.
Please don't be too smug quoting this as it's a lazy media clap trap used on all royals. Including Camilla. Sometimes, even on William.

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VladmirsPoutine · 03/09/2021 21:47

I wonder how much more flack Meghan would be getting had it been the case that she'd plotted to marry Harry since her childhood, even going so far as to re-arrange her own life plans / circumstances to engineer a meeting with a plan to capture his heart. Commendable if someone can pull it off though...

callmeadoctor · 03/09/2021 21:51

Happy for Piers, hope he gets his job back.

Marvintheparanoid · 03/09/2021 22:02

No one needs to think Meghan is a saint. She may well be a terrible person. But Piers Morgan's attitude towards her was absolutely unhinged. He kept frothing on about her on GMB, in his articles for DM he would reference her continuously even if she had nothing to do with the topic in question. The statement he gave after his walkout was somewhat balanced, where he said it was not his place to question her mental health but he finds it difficult to believe the palace did not help. If he had taken that line on GMB that would be fair enough. But he did not.

What he said on GMB would have been absolutely unacceptable if other points of view were not there. What did he say again? "I'm sorry, I don't believe a word she said, Meghan Markle. I wouldn't believe it if she read me a weather report.". This is not journalistic commentary. This is a person trying to satisfy a personal vendetta against another. On live television. And this came after weeks and weeks of continually trashing her on TV, shouting down any opposing point of view. This is what the complaints were about, not that he had opposed Meghan, but the way in which he had done it.

My belief is that Piers was drunk on power. He had earned a reputation for tough talk, and thought he could keep on shouting and insulting others without ever being challenged. That is why he had the meltdown when challenged by Alex Beresford, he couldn't believe a mere weatherman could question him on his show. GMB let him go because he was becoming unhinged. They really shouldn't take him back, he costs a lot both in his salary and the complaints. Yes, good for the ratings, like Katie Hopkins was, but that sort of fame/notoriety usually ends in a public disaster sooner or later. The way he has continued to gun for young black women since leaving GMB shows that he is better left alone.

Just let's not pretend he is some sort of flag bearer for women's rights or free speech.

itsgettingwierd · 03/09/2021 22:03

@ajandjjmum

Before 'the wedding' wasn't it suggested that Millie McIntosh was going to be bridesmaid? I remember a photo of them cycling together at Soho House, the implication being they were great friends. As it was, I don't think she was invited to the wedding.

My opinion is that Meghan was spreading her net far and wide to see who she could use to advance her career/life. Nothing awful about that if it's celebrity that you're after, but I bet should couldn't believe her luck when Harry appeared.

PM made lots of comments on GMB about getting an invite.

I do often wonder if he felt embarrassed as he didn't make the cut?

He has a huge ego that I'm not sure damages and then recovers well.

I do think it's a shame though as he's proven he can be very good at some things. He just turned his great work at the beginning of covid into an ego fest for himself and ruined what was previously good work.

I do think he actually became quite unwell during that time. I think all those hours of lockdown and being stuck indoors reading facts and figures got on top of him.

But he lost the ability to hold discussion towards the end. I found watching his decline the last 6/7 weeks he worked GMB quite upsetting and hard to watch and often sat cringing and hoping gmb would step in and rescue him from himself before he self destructive.

I do think itv have to accept a lot of responsibility for how it ended.

WinTheNight · 03/09/2021 22:07

No one needs to think Meghan is a saint. She may well be a terrible person. But Piers Morgan's attitude towards her was absolutely unhinged. He kept frothing on about her on GMB, in his articles for DM he would reference her continuously even if she had nothing to do with the topic in question. The statement he gave after his walkout was somewhat balanced, where he said it was not his place to question her mental health but he finds it difficult to believe the palace did not help. If he had taken that line on GMB that would be fair enough. But he did not.

What he said on GMB would have been absolutely unacceptable if other points of view were not there. What did he say again? "I'm sorry, I don't believe a word she said, Meghan Markle. I wouldn't believe it if she read me a weather report.". This is not journalistic commentary. This is a person trying to satisfy a personal vendetta against another. On live television. And this came after weeks and weeks of continually trashing her on TV, shouting down any opposing point of view. This is what the complaints were about, not that he had opposed Meghan, but the way in which he had done it.

My belief is that Piers was drunk on power. He had earned a reputation for tough talk, and thought he could keep on shouting and insulting others without ever being challenged. That is why he had the meltdown when challenged by Alex Beresford, he couldn't believe a mere weatherman could question him on his show. GMB let him go because he was becoming unhinged. They really shouldn't take him back, he costs a lot both in his salary and the complaints. Yes, good for the ratings, like Katie Hopkins was, but that sort of fame/notoriety usually ends in a public disaster sooner or later. The way he has continued to gun for young black women since leaving GMB shows that he is better left alone.

Just let's not pretend he is some sort of flag bearer for women's rights or free speech.

This is exactly my thoughts.

Viviennemary · 03/09/2021 22:07

I was glad they left. Most appearances were cringeworthy and undignified. Not how royals are expected to behave.

WinTheNight · 03/09/2021 22:09

I was glad they left. Most appearances were cringeworthy and undignified. Not how royals are expected to behave.

The Royals always behave so well. 😬

Earlydancing · 03/09/2021 22:17

@Viviennemary

I was glad they left. Most appearances were cringeworthy and undignified. Not how royals are expected to behave.
I don't agree with this. They were newly married and she didnt really know what she was doing and was still learning the ropes. So things could be a bit lumpy. But I'll never forget one of her last appearances at a high school where the head boy was so bowled over by her. It was just lovely to see and I think she could have been such an asset. I think its real a shame. But you have to have a very strong character to marry into the royal family and withstand the insults and criticisms that are thrown at you on a regular basis. And some people are just not able to withstand that. And that applies to PH as well as MM. For their sakes I wish her and PH a happy life. And for my sake, I wish they'd just stop flipping talking.
Serenster · 03/09/2021 22:20

@EmeraldShamrock

I'm glad piers was challenged. There was definitely racism used on/against Meghan however "drum roll" if the trailer is real Meghan lies under a crashed car for escaping the Palace I've lost any respect I had for her and wouldn't defend her again.
I don’t believe even the worst of Meghan’s detractors could think that the script and filming of a movie made by noted producer of tacky movies, Lifetime, “inspired by” her and Harry’s lives had anything at all to do with her! The first movie (this is the third) had Princess Diana appearing as a Lion ghost, for heaven’s sake! Grin
ohtobeyoungagain · 03/09/2021 22:20

@Marvintheparanoid

No one needs to think Meghan is a saint. She may well be a terrible person. But Piers Morgan's attitude towards her was absolutely unhinged. He kept frothing on about her on GMB, in his articles for DM he would reference her continuously even if she had nothing to do with the topic in question. The statement he gave after his walkout was somewhat balanced, where he said it was not his place to question her mental health but he finds it difficult to believe the palace did not help. If he had taken that line on GMB that would be fair enough. But he did not.

What he said on GMB would have been absolutely unacceptable if other points of view were not there. What did he say again? "I'm sorry, I don't believe a word she said, Meghan Markle. I wouldn't believe it if she read me a weather report.". This is not journalistic commentary. This is a person trying to satisfy a personal vendetta against another. On live television. And this came after weeks and weeks of continually trashing her on TV, shouting down any opposing point of view. This is what the complaints were about, not that he had opposed Meghan, but the way in which he had done it.

My belief is that Piers was drunk on power. He had earned a reputation for tough talk, and thought he could keep on shouting and insulting others without ever being challenged. That is why he had the meltdown when challenged by Alex Beresford, he couldn't believe a mere weatherman could question him on his show. GMB let him go because he was becoming unhinged. They really shouldn't take him back, he costs a lot both in his salary and the complaints. Yes, good for the ratings, like Katie Hopkins was, but that sort of fame/notoriety usually ends in a public disaster sooner or later. The way he has continued to gun for young black women since leaving GMB shows that he is better left alone.

Just let's not pretend he is some sort of flag bearer for women's rights or free speech.

totally agree.

And on that last point on women.

Less we forget, he also accused Madonna and Lady Gaga of lying about their sexual abuse.

ohtobeyoungagain · 03/09/2021 22:23

@VladmirsPoutine

I wonder how much more flack Meghan would be getting had it been the case that she'd plotted to marry Harry since her childhood, even going so far as to re-arrange her own life plans / circumstances to engineer a meeting with a plan to capture his heart. Commendable if someone can pull it off though...
Hahaha, I thought this was already the narrative.
derxa · 03/09/2021 22:24

@VladmirsPoutine

I wonder how much more flack Meghan would be getting had it been the case that she'd plotted to marry Harry since her childhood, even going so far as to re-arrange her own life plans / circumstances to engineer a meeting with a plan to capture his heart. Commendable if someone can pull it off though...
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