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AIBU?

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I'm not wrong to park here am I?

214 replies

figwine · 22/08/2021 21:20

I have a horrible steep driveway that I never use. Instead I park across its dropped kerb, therefore taking up no more space than if I parked on it. Opposite my house and my neighbour's, which both have drives, there is a row of 4 houses which have no drives, though the end two have garages behind them that are quite tricky to get to so they often park on 'my' side. Usually this is no problem as there's a house next to me on the corner that is side on and has its own drive round the corner, so along its side there is parking for about 4 cars before you get to my dropped kerb.

Nonetheless, sometimes I get home and someone is parked in 'my' space. Don't know who usually as I only know 2 of the cars opposite and 1 never parks in my space and the other does occasionally. So often I'm not sure who it is - may be nothing to do with the 4 houses or just a visitor. Next to my drive is my front garden along which 2 cars can park, so if the dropped kerb space is taken I go there - actually prefer it as slightly nearer my front door! I also park the other side of my dropped kerb, so not in front of my house, if I need to - if all 3 other places have gone. None of that is ever a problem and I'm at my dropped kerb about 80% of the time I'd say.

After those 2 spaces my neighbour's dropped kerb begins. It's a weird one as it's not a traditional vertical drive that goes down towards their house but instead it goes along the front so it's wider than it's long and not very deep. It has to be accessed sideways on. So because the dropped kerb is a lot longer than average, if there's nowhere else I park on the half of it nearest to my house, They have a sign in the window saying 'no parking' but I ignore that as it's not enforceable as far as I'm aware. Anyway, doing that has never caused a problem - though it's only an occasional thing anyway. As an additional complication they are often away and it's not unusual for days or even weeks to go by without me seeing their car at all.

Anyway, yesterday I got back from holiday and there were no spaces apart from one that was further down their dropped kerb than I would normally go. I went there because there was no other room and I didn't even know when they would be back. When I got in my car this morning there was a note asking me to move as 'it's a drive' - there was someone across my drive, which they must have seen, at that very moment, but that's just how it goes sometimes. I was also told they had to carry shopping down the street. Now they had parked in front of my house (a car had moved between me parking and them arriving) so they would have carried the shopping about 30 paces, which I quite often have to do.

WIBU to park there? I would only ever do it if no other option (I'm pretty sure I've done it before but moved before they got back), but should I leave their space empty when there is nowhere else? Surely it's first come first served in this situation?

OP posts:
LizzieVereker · 22/08/2021 23:57

Your driveway hun, your roolz.

Oh wait, that’s bollocks.

YOU NEVER PARK ACROSS A DROPPED KERB.

I don’t understand your diagram at all. But that might be my issue, not yours. I don’t understand LEGO diagrams either.

Beautiful3 · 22/08/2021 23:59

No-one should be parking across your drive, write them a note to tell them to stop. Get a camera/ring doorbell to see who's doing it. Go to their door to complain if necessary. You shouldn't be parked on someone else's drive either. They don't care about your situation, they just want to use their own drive.

user1471560845 · 23/08/2021 00:00

Stopped reading, too confusing. Park on your own drive, steep or not, problem solved

DixonD · 23/08/2021 00:42

@figwine

Ah - my drive hasn't got gates (and neither has the neighbour's) - does that change things?
Er, no. You’re still a CF Parker.
Sunnygold · 23/08/2021 01:10

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pinkcircustop · 23/08/2021 01:14

Of course YABU. You can’t park across a dropped kerb!

LavenderPink · 23/08/2021 06:23

Your diagram is fine.

LavenderPink · 23/08/2021 06:24

I don't think the car parked opposite your drive is allowed to though?

phishy · 23/08/2021 06:35

@figwine

*Where I live in Greater London, we can call our local council enforcement if someone is encroaching on our dropped kerb, even by just a few inches, and they will send someone out to give them a ticket. All councils should do this imo.*

Where I live is nothing like Greater London, and I'm pretty sure no one in my neighbourhood would support our council doing this until a lot of other, more pressing issues have been sorted. I'm sure in some areas it's a necessity, but in ours it really isn't.

OP, you don’t need your neighbourhood’s support. You can contact the council anonymously and they should come and enforce it.

If you don’t want to do this, why not put a bin or somethings outside your dropped kerb until people get the message?

phishy · 23/08/2021 06:39

@Sunnygold

You’re a dick if you park across someone’s dropped kerb and prevent them accessing their own drive.
Is this really necessary given OP has said she won’t park there again?

No need to keep kicking someone is there?

Darbs76 · 23/08/2021 06:44

You shouldn’t park across a dropped kerb atall, as even if no-one in the drive you’re stopping them from being able to access your own drive. So you’re in the wrong, so are the people who park across your drop kerb. Just use your driveway would be easiest

Thomasina79 · 23/08/2021 06:56

Traffic wardens can be merciless in this sort of case. I once got a ticket for parking on a very small dropped curb (around two feet) which was not on anyone’s drive and was opposite a brick wall! Someone mentioned getting a no parking sign , or perhaps a couple of bollards on your own dropped kerb. That’s what my neighbours do. Parking is a nightmare nowadays!

RubyFowler · 23/08/2021 06:59

@LavenderPink

I don't think the car parked opposite your drive is allowed to though?
Yes, I'm sure this is true actually.
lottiegarbanzo · 23/08/2021 07:44

I think you should talk to your neighbours - next door and opposite - and agree an optimum parking arrangement (like we and our neighbours have, to good effect).

Now that is something I know from MN will never, ever happen and will be resisted even more strongly than the breaking of any rules, laws or social norms. Speak to people???

LookItsMeAgain · 23/08/2021 08:13

If you regularly use your driveway to park on, your neighbours will see this and not block your dropped kerb by parking across it.
The property you have actually has a driveway and many many many people would love a property with a driveway so that they can park on said driveway.
Remind me why you say you can't park on your own driveway? Because it is too steep? Lots of people park on steep driveways. Get practiced at it, get used to it, get better at it. Driving is a skill that we all learn and generally get better at over time. That's done by practice. Get better at using your own driveway to park on. You could get some signage to put at the entrance to your driveway saying something like "Do not block exit - 24hr access required" or something and see if that stops people parking across your dropped kerb.

billyt · 23/08/2021 08:36

Christ, people write real bollocks sometimes....

Different rules across the country, not sure where figwine lives. London, for instance, is totally different to most other areas although that may change soon.

Parking across a dropped kerb is not illegal everywhere. And a kerb dropped for wheelchair/other users is not the same as a dropped kerb for off-road parking. If a kerb for wheelchair use has been installed then vehicle access wouldn't get past planning. And no, dropped kerb is not the same as double yellow lines either.

"What is a drop kerb?

A drop kerb is a roadside kerb / pavement that is angled downwards towards the road to allow vehicles to easily drive up and down the kerb.

Parking in front of drop kerbs is not allowed. It causes obstructions to driveway access, road crossing access and both pedestrian and driver visibility. Blocking driveway and crossing access is inconvenient and selfish but obstructing visibility can be very dangerous to pedestrians and road users.

Parking in front of drop kerbs has been against the rules in London since Section 14 of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003 came into force.

Action to regulate and enforce pavement parking or parking alongside dropped kerbs is strictly a matter for the relevant local authority.

PalmsandCharms · 23/08/2021 08:37

You can argue as much as you want and refer to as many previous posters as you want OP, but you are wrong to park across a dropped kerb. You know this but you're somehow looking for justification for you doing it.

It's selfish and unreasonable to park across a dropped kerb. Even more so if you have your own drive. You sound like a real pain to live near.

PalmsandCharms · 23/08/2021 08:43

I've now read all your posts on here OP. You're not coming across well at all. You came on here for advice yet you attack everyone who tells you (correctly) that you're wrong..

Does it cross your mind that you might actually not be right here?

itsgettingwierd · 23/08/2021 08:44

You actually thought it was ok to park across someone's drive if they weren't on it?

Did it never occur to you you were blocking them getting on it if they wanted or needed too?

I LOVE a parking thread and no one has ever said you can park across someone's drive.

Park across you're own by any means (although technically you shouldn't) but if anyone else does then leave them a note telling them not to park across your driveway.

sixswans · 23/08/2021 08:47

It's not just about blocking them in, what if they arrive home and can't get in their driveway??

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 23/08/2021 08:50

It would be better to knock around and find who owns the car/s that are over your drive and ask them to stop. Or leave a note like your neighbours did to you.

And it is not illegal to park across your own drive FFS.
It is illegal to obstruct someone's drive but if it is your own drive how the fuck are you obstructing anyone? It's your car and your drive!

MaryBoBary · 23/08/2021 08:59

I really wonder how some people passed a driving test... it's worrying that people with such limited knowledge of the Highway Code are let loose with a vehicle.

figwine · 23/08/2021 09:31

@PalmsandCharms

I've now read all your posts on here OP. You're not coming across well at all. You came on here for advice yet you attack everyone who tells you (correctly) that you're wrong..

Does it cross your mind that you might actually not be right here?

Well if you've read all my posts you'll know I said quite early on I wouldn't park there anymore and I haven't attached anyone personally. I have been called selfish, a twat, a dick and a few other, as I saw it, quite OTT critical things, but I haven't responded on a personal level. I did say one person was ridiculous because they said I shouldn't have bought the house, which I do think is a ridiculous thing to say on the basis of this thread.

But feel free to tell me I'm a pain to live near and ask whether I've ever thought I'm wrong when I've already said I am, won't you? Don't let the words you're reading stop you from making the point you wanted to make at the end of page one

OP posts:
PheasantsNest · 23/08/2021 09:36
  1. You should know never to block a dropped kerb.
  1. Learn to park on your driveway reversing on and driving off. The steepness should not be an issue.
  1. Don't be so entitled.
Blindstupid · 23/08/2021 09:45

To be fair to the OP - she said her diagram would be rubbish so I’m not sure why posters need to pull her up on this.

I think many posters need to re-read The Highway Code re dropped kerbs.

I agree with a pp - OP you need to now speak to neighbours regarding the whole situation, tell them not to block any of your dropped kerb, then learn how to get on and off your drive.

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