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At my wit's end with drunk neighbour and her friends

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Skedaddle465 · 18/08/2021 00:04

Surely keeping your neighbours awake until the early hours, or alternatively waking them up at 3am, EVERY WEEKEND is unreasonable?

Background:
I've lived in my terraced house on a small quiet street for 11 years. Never had a problem with neighbours or noise until the last 4 months and I'm at my wit's end. I feel so on edge every weekend.

For a few years the house that shares my living/dining room and bedroom walls was home to a family with 4 kids. Most recently it was a young couple with a dog. Previously I'd hear some normal day to day stuff from that side, sure they heard it from me, but it was nothing annoying or interfered with daily life or sleep. Nothing anyone ever needed to mention. We knew each other to say hello, exchange a Christmas card. That's about it.

The family in the house behind has a big do once a year but that shuts down around midnight. It's not a party area at all. It's mainly older people and a few families.

I say all this to show I know what the noise level between the properties is. I'm not new to it.

Problem:

The young couple next door sold the house earlier this year. A young woman (mid to late twenties) moved in, with her young daughter, during last lockdown. During the week it's fine. But at the weekend the daughter is with the dad and my neighbour has her mates around. From the first weekend she moved in, it's been almost every Saturday night. So over 4 months of either being kept awake until 2/3am, or woken anywhere between 3-5am by her coming home with friends and carrying on the party.

It started during lockdown (which was even more frustrating) and I hoped once places reopened she'd be someone who was out in a bar or club. But I suspect she's the only one of the group with her own place and so they all come here. Sometimes when they're too hammered to go back to their own places. Other times they just stay here for the long haul.

Once the summer arrived they moved to sitting in the garden until 3am or later, with music playing inside the house loud enough for them to hear outside. Which means I can hear it from all directions. The street is dark, every house and garden is dark, because it's night time, and she and her friends are out their with lights on, music playing, wittering away and breaking into song. I've heard other houses slam windows shut. She's oblivious. Because she's off her face.

The more they drink, the louder the get. And they drink A LOT. Mixed with energy drinks. The "babe" the "omg" and the cackling. I can hear whole conversations, the exact songs they're asking Alexa to play so they can sing bad karaoke.

The first time, back in April, I let it go, thinking she was lonely in her new place and also wanted to show it off to her friends. The following week, when they came home and at 4am and sang karaoke until 8am, I put a note through the door. Polite - welcome to the street, hope you're settling in, but you might not realise the walls aren't that thick and you woke me from 4am-8am. Last week you kept me awake until 2am. I could actually hear quite a lot of the conversation and some of it sounded very personal and you might not want neighbours not know that much detail. Thought you should know.

She posted sweet apology note back, said she was really sorry, didn't realise and would keep it down.

And then has carried on exactly as before. Every weekend.

They are so loud that even through the wall I know, for example, that her parents bought the house for her after her latest breakup, of which there have been several (her friend proclaimed her to be amazing and, I quote: "I'm going to use a big word, she's....resilient"). One of her friends hates everyone they work with and is annoyed they didn't get a promotion. Her older sister, ironically, wants to move house because her "neighbours are trash". Someone's boyfriend cheated, but they "don't need that baggage". Literally, I know everything about them it's that loud. All to a soundtrack provided by Alexa, who's called on regularly.

I have tried banging on the wall at 1am. I've tried loudly slamming my windows shut at 2am when they're in the garden. I even resorted to desperately shouting "please, please keep it down" when they woke me at 3.45am coming home shouting "Alexa, play 'happy and healthy" and proceeded to try and learn it by playing it on a loop and shrieking. That was despite me going to bed in earplugs. Nothing worked.

On advice from a friend who's had a similar problem in the past I've kept a log of all the incidents so that I could report it to the council. I also kept a copy of my original note and her reply. But I really don't want to have to go down formal channels. I also live alone and hate confrontation. Covid has meant working from home too, so I'm literally here all the time. I don't want any trouble or animosity.

But this past weekend when she had 3 people arrive at midnight and stayed out in the garden with music playing from inside the house and raised voices and cackling every other word was "babe" or "f", until after 2am, I just couldn't take it anymore. When I called out that people were trying to sleep, one of them told me to f off....

I put a handwritten letter through the door the next day saying that the noise from her house and garden was continuing to disturb me and I suspect several other houses. Specifically on these occasions (listed every date and time from last 4 months to show the clear pattern), that in 11 years no one in the street had made the amount of disturbance she had, and in the last 4 months I've bought industrial earplugs and new headphones just to try and get some peace at weekends. That I can't relax when it sounds like the party is in my house, that it's increasingly stressful not knowing when it will end and I can go to bed, or if it's quiet and I go to sleep will I be woken up in the early hours? This is despite the ear plugs. That I have sought advice and can take this to the council but wanted to approach her again first, and she had promised to keep it down back in April. I'd rather solve it informally. But that she and her friends could go to any number of places to party, but her neighbours have nowhere else they can sleep. Please can this issue be ended now.

I've not had a response and honestly I hate confrontation and don't particularly want one. I just want it to stop.

The neighbours the other side of her (the end of the row) are away every weekend with their caravan (lucky them) and so can't back me up by saying anything.

I feel like I'm alone in a weekly nightmare and I don't understand why she doesn't see that her behaviour is too much. But I'm pretty sure it's because she's so hammered she has no idea what day or time it is, let alone notice that every house in the street is trying to sleep.

OP posts:
SingingInTheShithouse · 19/08/2021 12:05

Oh I'd forgotten about it being a garden.

In the past we had some awful student neighbours who did this crap. I found a garden hose pointed at the sky over their garden worked wonders as they were so pissed they didn't realise it wasn't a downpour of rain. I'd avoid the other get back suggestions though as that won't help long term & could make the situation worse

Given that you now know it's her parents property then it's definitely worth contacting them & asking for help. We've fought a property owner here very helpful at sorting out noisy tenants as he didn't want trouble with the council as it could affect him selling

CandidaAlbicans2 · 19/08/2021 13:21

To those suggesting OP make a racket in her garden early to disturb the inconsiderate twat, why should all the good neighbours be disturbed?! If OP is going to make noise surely it should be confined to inside her house so as not to become a noise nuisance herself? Confused

BritishSummertime · 19/08/2021 14:00

@CandidaAlbicans2

To those suggesting OP make a racket in her garden early to disturb the inconsiderate twat, why should all the good neighbours be disturbed?! If OP is going to make noise surely it should be confined to inside her house so as not to become a noise nuisance herself? Confused
I'd try banding together with the other considerate neighbours to give noisy neighbour a taste of her own medicine
SingingInTheShithouse · 19/08/2021 15:11

CandidaAlbicans2
To those suggesting OP make a racket in her garden early to disturb the inconsiderate twat, why should all the good neighbours be disturbed?! If OP is going to make noise surely it should be confined to inside her house so as not to become a noise nuisance herself? 
I'd try banding together with the other considerate neighbours to give noisy neighbour a taste of her own medicine

No!! Don't do any of this stuff, it's a sure fire way for YOU to become the nuisance neighbour & lose any hope of sorting it out.

Banding neighbours together if you go the EHL route, yes as witnesses will help a lot, anything else just makes you as bad & less likely to be taken seriously with your complaint

UrbanRambler · 20/08/2021 02:06

We had neighbours like this, a couple who liked to have parties outside every weekend in the summer, every conversation was shouted and the woman was fond of calling people "babe" and used textspeak much of the time. They were loud enough sober, then got mega loud and annoying after a few drinks. Our garden wasn't usable when they were outside. They were friendly to us, but utterly thoughtless.

We didn't complain as we didn't want a bad atmosphere and it was usually just one night a week. Also, their parties tended to end around midnight so we just stayed inside with the windows shut. Luckily they moved after a couple of years. I think in your position I would ring the police regularly, because the situation is so bad you need all the help you can get, you have nothing to lose and much to gain.

You could look into soundproofing your party walls, buy some decent earplugs, and consider using white noise to block some of the noise out, but when a party is happening outside the noise really travels. Can you swap the rooms around, to sleep further away from the party zone? At least when the winter arrives there is hope that things will calm down a bit. Good luck OP.

Skedaddle465 · 20/08/2021 23:05

So I've been out for dinner this evening and got home about half an hour ago. Neighbour's car is there, lights are on but.....complete silence!
Bliss!

Will see how long it lasts though, don't want to tempt fate....

OP posts:
whenwillthemadnessend · 21/08/2021 00:59

Winter is coming 😉

Maybe it's just too cold now to sit out late

purdypuma · 21/08/2021 10:51

I say this because I'm ex Police force & we used to do this on a regular basis if there were cars available. It wouldn't be an immediate response job but they would aim to knock on & have words if there was a car in the area or when all immediate jobs were covered. Eg you'd be waiting longer on a busy Saturday night for attendance as opposed to a weekday & the job might be upgraded if the party got out of control & people started fighting etc.

Not every Police force operates in the same way, especially given that my force was up north & you live in London. They all have differing operational guidelines which vary according to the area being Policed.

Wheretoeattweenandteen · 21/08/2021 11:03

Op it's much better to do it all with neighbours support as in the other neighbours... Who are disturbed.

If noise is past midnight start calling police as well

ittakes2 · 21/08/2021 11:19

I am sorry this sounds like a nightmare. One thing you need to be aware if you make a formal complaint and come to sell your house you will need to highlight you've had a problem with neighbours.
Maybe try being noisey at the legal time of 7am when she is trying to sleep in and see if she gets the picture.

firstworldproblemsagain · 21/08/2021 11:21

I’d start writing to her parents. Regularly. They will probably be mortified and apply some pressure to sort her out.

Either way crossing my fingers she settles down & grows up.

TopBlogger · 21/08/2021 21:43

All still quiet @Skedaddle465?

Bootikin · 21/08/2021 22:20

Oh FGS escalate this to the council!

I cannot believe how feeble people are in the face of such horrendous disturbance.

Skedaddle465 · 21/08/2021 23:13

Well, that's Friday and Saturday night now with silence! Her car is there, her lights are on.... The letter must have done something. Long may it last

OP posts:
Skedaddle465 · 21/08/2021 23:14

If it does start back up again I'll be straight onto the council with my 4 month log and some videos.

OP posts:
Cherrysoup · 21/08/2021 23:26

If it starts again, contact Environmental Health.
Write to her parents (land registry is easy enough to find info)

Ultimately, when we had shitty arsehole neighbours, we moved. Not ideal, but the only solution, especially as the bloke was violent.

Skedaddle465 · 21/08/2021 23:42

Yep, I have their details from land registry too.

But I have no plans to move. I've worked really hard to be almost mortgage free, I'm in the perfect location for everything and everyone in my life, and a non-terrace house in this area would mean a massive mortgage again. (I did search detached houses several times at 3am!) So nope. I'm staying and fighting this one out now.

OP posts:
Skedaddle465 · 29/08/2021 11:50

Since I wrote the letter that's been two weekends now with silence!!! This has never happened since she's lived there.

But in a delicious sense of irony she was definitely home last night and the house behind us had their annual big BBQ party which normally stops at 11pm. Only it didn't and they went on until nearly 1am with about 20 people in the garden and music playing. At one point I heard neighbour go out the back door, then come back in and slam it behind her. So guessing now she knows how it feels Grin

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simitra · 29/08/2021 15:10

I suspect your neighbours will not be away in their caravan every weekend once winter comes so they may then have to bite the bullet. In your position (and I have been) I would call at every neighbour who is likely to have been affected and try to persuede them to sign a letter of complaint to the council's environmental department.

Skedaddle465 · 25/10/2021 17:33

OP here

It was all going so well and now I think I might be having a breakdown.

The weekend noise was much, much better since I wrote to her in August. She also seems to be out more during the week, which meant the new noise of her dog whining and howling all day. But I can deal with that on the days I work from home. He's an animal and he can't help it. She, however, is a different story.

She's found herself a man friend.

So, yesterday (Sunday) I was woken at 6.30am by doors slamming, giggling, and then some very loud sex. So loud I could hear actual slapping, every groan and grunt. I felt massively irritated and also violated. I tried ear plugs and then headphones and finally gave up on sleep. Went downstairs only to find I could also hear them down there. So put on some angry music (hopefully loud enough they might hear I was awake but not loud enough to disturb the people on the other side of me) and did all my chores.... Finally sat down on the sofa at 10am with a coffee only to hear them going for round two. I went out at that point, before I screamed blue murder.

Then this morning (Monday) I was woken up at 3.25am by her coming home with him again, but this time they were arguing. I put on earplugs and also played a white noise app on my phone into the room for extra muffling. Was able to go back to sleep, but when the white noise ran out I woke up to them still arguing at around 5.30am. Put the white noise back on again.

Today I'm working from home and I put a note through her door when I popped out at lunch. To say thank you for keeping it down at weekends recently, I really appreciated it, but I didn't appreciate being woken in the early hours for the last two mornings running. Once by she and her guest going at it, and once by them arguing. Her private life is none of my business and I'd like it to stay that way, please think about what time it is and how loud you're being.

Her curtains all closed, suspect she's still asleep.

Then this afternoon I'm working from home and at 4pm I suddenly hear them going at it with the loud sex again. I am two rooms away from her bedroom next door! I slam all the adjoining doors in the house and my office door and can still hear her. I go downstairs and her dog is howling and whining down there and I can still hear her.

After an hour of this, hoping no one calls me on Teams because there's no way they won't hear, I march round and stick a post-it through her door:

"You probably didn't want my colleagues to hear you this afternoon but unfortunately they did, over Teams. There was not a room in my house where you couldn't be heard. Keep it down!!!!"

FFS I've just burst into tears over it. I'm tired, I hate that she's so awful and may never move out.

OP posts:
Cherrysoup · 25/10/2021 17:45

I’m going to say it again, move. It’s not fair, she’s a horrible inconsiderate cow, but she doesn’t give a shit and she won’t stop. Why on earth have you not yet gone to environmental health? If they’re rowing, you call the police (extreme, but I had to when the bloke upstairs started throwing his girlfriend round the flat then punched me when I objected to the noise!) You have 2 choices, having been there and done that: 1. stay and be disturbed forever 2. contact her parents/environmental health. I’d go for parents with full details of dates and details of the excessively loud sex etc. Tell them you’ll call the police (even if you wouldn’t, I mean, people are allowed to have sex!)

sbhydrogen · 25/10/2021 17:52

You have a record (well done!) so you can complain to the council noise team or whatever they're called. Hopefully they'll have a noise abatement order put on them.

Good luck, I'm sorry you're going through this. My parents have a similar issue.

User135644 · 25/10/2021 18:04

If it was during lockdown you should have been phoning the police as they were breaking the law.

LettertoHermoine · 25/10/2021 18:46

That sounds absolutely horrendous OP, I would lose my mind.

Overloadedunappreciated · 25/10/2021 18:49

I mean OP, I think you have to accept notes aren't working. They're too easy to ignore and having no effect - they also make you seem a bit weak when you've posted this many rather than just speak to her directly. I appreciate you don't like confrontation but I think you'll have to toughen up here.

Either that, or do as the other posters have suggested and go down Environmental Health. You have my total sympathy as I abhor noisy neighbours but you need a different approach.