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At my wit's end with drunk neighbour and her friends

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Skedaddle465 · 18/08/2021 00:04

Surely keeping your neighbours awake until the early hours, or alternatively waking them up at 3am, EVERY WEEKEND is unreasonable?

Background:
I've lived in my terraced house on a small quiet street for 11 years. Never had a problem with neighbours or noise until the last 4 months and I'm at my wit's end. I feel so on edge every weekend.

For a few years the house that shares my living/dining room and bedroom walls was home to a family with 4 kids. Most recently it was a young couple with a dog. Previously I'd hear some normal day to day stuff from that side, sure they heard it from me, but it was nothing annoying or interfered with daily life or sleep. Nothing anyone ever needed to mention. We knew each other to say hello, exchange a Christmas card. That's about it.

The family in the house behind has a big do once a year but that shuts down around midnight. It's not a party area at all. It's mainly older people and a few families.

I say all this to show I know what the noise level between the properties is. I'm not new to it.

Problem:

The young couple next door sold the house earlier this year. A young woman (mid to late twenties) moved in, with her young daughter, during last lockdown. During the week it's fine. But at the weekend the daughter is with the dad and my neighbour has her mates around. From the first weekend she moved in, it's been almost every Saturday night. So over 4 months of either being kept awake until 2/3am, or woken anywhere between 3-5am by her coming home with friends and carrying on the party.

It started during lockdown (which was even more frustrating) and I hoped once places reopened she'd be someone who was out in a bar or club. But I suspect she's the only one of the group with her own place and so they all come here. Sometimes when they're too hammered to go back to their own places. Other times they just stay here for the long haul.

Once the summer arrived they moved to sitting in the garden until 3am or later, with music playing inside the house loud enough for them to hear outside. Which means I can hear it from all directions. The street is dark, every house and garden is dark, because it's night time, and she and her friends are out their with lights on, music playing, wittering away and breaking into song. I've heard other houses slam windows shut. She's oblivious. Because she's off her face.

The more they drink, the louder the get. And they drink A LOT. Mixed with energy drinks. The "babe" the "omg" and the cackling. I can hear whole conversations, the exact songs they're asking Alexa to play so they can sing bad karaoke.

The first time, back in April, I let it go, thinking she was lonely in her new place and also wanted to show it off to her friends. The following week, when they came home and at 4am and sang karaoke until 8am, I put a note through the door. Polite - welcome to the street, hope you're settling in, but you might not realise the walls aren't that thick and you woke me from 4am-8am. Last week you kept me awake until 2am. I could actually hear quite a lot of the conversation and some of it sounded very personal and you might not want neighbours not know that much detail. Thought you should know.

She posted sweet apology note back, said she was really sorry, didn't realise and would keep it down.

And then has carried on exactly as before. Every weekend.

They are so loud that even through the wall I know, for example, that her parents bought the house for her after her latest breakup, of which there have been several (her friend proclaimed her to be amazing and, I quote: "I'm going to use a big word, she's....resilient"). One of her friends hates everyone they work with and is annoyed they didn't get a promotion. Her older sister, ironically, wants to move house because her "neighbours are trash". Someone's boyfriend cheated, but they "don't need that baggage". Literally, I know everything about them it's that loud. All to a soundtrack provided by Alexa, who's called on regularly.

I have tried banging on the wall at 1am. I've tried loudly slamming my windows shut at 2am when they're in the garden. I even resorted to desperately shouting "please, please keep it down" when they woke me at 3.45am coming home shouting "Alexa, play 'happy and healthy" and proceeded to try and learn it by playing it on a loop and shrieking. That was despite me going to bed in earplugs. Nothing worked.

On advice from a friend who's had a similar problem in the past I've kept a log of all the incidents so that I could report it to the council. I also kept a copy of my original note and her reply. But I really don't want to have to go down formal channels. I also live alone and hate confrontation. Covid has meant working from home too, so I'm literally here all the time. I don't want any trouble or animosity.

But this past weekend when she had 3 people arrive at midnight and stayed out in the garden with music playing from inside the house and raised voices and cackling every other word was "babe" or "f", until after 2am, I just couldn't take it anymore. When I called out that people were trying to sleep, one of them told me to f off....

I put a handwritten letter through the door the next day saying that the noise from her house and garden was continuing to disturb me and I suspect several other houses. Specifically on these occasions (listed every date and time from last 4 months to show the clear pattern), that in 11 years no one in the street had made the amount of disturbance she had, and in the last 4 months I've bought industrial earplugs and new headphones just to try and get some peace at weekends. That I can't relax when it sounds like the party is in my house, that it's increasingly stressful not knowing when it will end and I can go to bed, or if it's quiet and I go to sleep will I be woken up in the early hours? This is despite the ear plugs. That I have sought advice and can take this to the council but wanted to approach her again first, and she had promised to keep it down back in April. I'd rather solve it informally. But that she and her friends could go to any number of places to party, but her neighbours have nowhere else they can sleep. Please can this issue be ended now.

I've not had a response and honestly I hate confrontation and don't particularly want one. I just want it to stop.

The neighbours the other side of her (the end of the row) are away every weekend with their caravan (lucky them) and so can't back me up by saying anything.

I feel like I'm alone in a weekly nightmare and I don't understand why she doesn't see that her behaviour is too much. But I'm pretty sure it's because she's so hammered she has no idea what day or time it is, let alone notice that every house in the street is trying to sleep.

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Skedaddle465 · 25/10/2021 23:16

@Anonanon1234

I feel your pain. My walls are annoyingly thin and I have a new neighbour that is a party animal/very loud shagger. It is doing my head in. I have lived here, peacefully, for a decade without any issues. This lady has lived there and made more noise in 6 months, than previous neighbours in a decade (not the same family for that time either) It is incredibly stressful and I fantasise about moving house now
This is it exactly. Lived here 11 years, various people have lived next door with no issues at all and since April this year I've looked at Rightmove several times a week.

But I can be mortgage free this time next year. I've worked really hard for that so that I have some freedom to decide what to do with my income and save for retirement. To move, and at least have semi detached connected by stairs to mitigate neighbour noise, would mean about another £80k in debt. I just don't want to do that. To move anywhere at all would be extra cost and probably end up in the same boat. It just really really makes me anxious and upset.

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Allsorts1 · 25/10/2021 23:21

This is awful for you OP. Instead of moving, could you look into soundproofing yours at all? Insulation and proper double glazed windows like people have on busy city streets? Might be a good compromise x

SleepingBunnies21 · 25/10/2021 23:23

You can go the council route but it's slow and I'm not sure if it's effective.

What I found effective.and extremely satisfying is playing very very very loud and unpleasant music with speakers up against the party wall, preferably the bedrooms obviously as soon as you get up, Presuming the have now fallen asleep. Every time they do it, you do it.

Let her try to build her case for anto social.noise -

jelly79 · 25/10/2021 23:24

Tell her!! To her face!!

Notes aren't working OP

Good luck x

SleepingBunnies21 · 25/10/2021 23:24

against you.

She'll have trouble because it'll all be in the daytime- and she knows you'll respond by mentioning the noise there after 11 on a regular basis.

I used to put rage against the machine on on a loop and go out.

TheCuntessOfMiddlesex · 25/10/2021 23:29

Record her next time
And then send it to her along with a message about all the other stuff you've overheard. Literally say it word for word
Then tell her if it carries on you will take it further as you've been quite polite with your requests and she's not taken heed

SleepingBunnies21 · 25/10/2021 23:30

This was done to my.hpusehold when I lived with two guys who played loud music, got drunk etc every weekend in a terrace house. The music stuck and they were horrified at the noise when they were hungover it was actually hilarious. It made them think twice about their noise late at night, I can tell you; they didn't want to be in for the same thing the next morning. I think it also made them properly realise how frustrated and angry the neighbour was.

SleepingBunnies21 · 25/10/2021 23:44

@TheCuntessOfMiddlesex

Record her next time And then send it to her along with a message about all the other stuff you've overheard. Literally say it word for word Then tell her if it carries on you will take it further as you've been quite polite with your requests and she's not taken heed
I've dealt with a couple of people like this abd honestly; their response to that story of thing is minimisation and ridiculing/being indignant at the person who calls them out, that will develop into a character assassination of you, not admittance of their behaviour, it'll.just be "cheeky bitch, uppity bitch, nosey bitch, she needs to get a life, she has no life" etc etc etc.

The single thing people like that understand is their own pain and inconvenience. That's why you play ear bleeding loud music when they are resting in the morning.

They are also not the sort of people to follow through on a detailed , time consuming record of your noise; which will be much much more difficult difficult prove as antisocial or unnecessary in the day time.

DrNo007 · 25/10/2021 23:44

I’ve been there and been successful dealing with the problem and always give the same advice on mumsnet. First try environmental health at the council. Send them your noise logs and talk to the noise officer. Some councils are good with noise complaints, some crap, some in between. Do not keep logs for more than three weeks as it’s pointless but you need for each incident: time noise started, time it ended, what noise was, effect on you.

If council is crap you can take personal legal action which does not need to be expensive if you get good advice — you can do most of it yourself. Contact a firm called Sanctum Consultants—they have a website, are not expensive. They told me what to do, I did it and the problem was sorted. Note that the noise maker does NOT have to be a council tenant or even a private renter, they may own their own home but creating a noise nuisance is illegal and you can take action against them. This is true whatever time of day or night the noise occurs.

However you have to lose your attachment to being Mrs Nice (I had the same challenges over this) and accept that you need to confront this problem head on.

SleepingBunnies21 · 25/10/2021 23:46

You could even find a YouTube video of construction noise, drilling etc abd play it - with speakers against their bedroom wall .... a d they won't even be able to claim its music, you can claim ots necessary work to your home- that you're doing during daytime, non anti social hours.

DrNo007 · 25/10/2021 23:50

Please ignore all advice to make ‘revenge noise’. It can result in a noise complaint being made against you and will negate any hope of getting anywhere with the council or the courts.

CovidCorvid · 25/10/2021 23:51

Yeah I’d start keeping the little bitch awake from 6am and all morning! Construction noise on repeat rather than music is a genius idea!

Iflyaway · 26/10/2021 00:21

Stupid ideas given to give them like for like. That will just escalate things. Why would you even want to get into something like that?

Op, I can imagine this is driving you crazy.... Don't let them bully you out of your house! Like you say, you are almost mortgage free and that is the goal! Please keep hold of the vision for your best life.

I think - love that expression, get your big girl pants on - things like this are a test in life not to let others walk all over you. Sometimes (I have learnt to have to do it) you have to get in touch with your inner bitch. Bit like the momma bear thing.
You have to stand up for yourself. I hate confrontation too but refuse to back off if need be. *(non violent!)

You can't be the only one on the street being troubled by this.

I don't live in UK but reading @DrNo007's post it may be some good advice.

What is really disturbing is that there is a young child living in this kind of household.

Am a solo mum myself. What with school and work no way I could have or want to lead this kind of lifestyle.....

Anyway, hope it all works out for you.

Skedaddle465 · 26/10/2021 00:31

@DrNo007

I’ve been there and been successful dealing with the problem and always give the same advice on mumsnet. First try environmental health at the council. Send them your noise logs and talk to the noise officer. Some councils are good with noise complaints, some crap, some in between. Do not keep logs for more than three weeks as it’s pointless but you need for each incident: time noise started, time it ended, what noise was, effect on you.

If council is crap you can take personal legal action which does not need to be expensive if you get good advice — you can do most of it yourself. Contact a firm called Sanctum Consultants—they have a website, are not expensive. They told me what to do, I did it and the problem was sorted. Note that the noise maker does NOT have to be a council tenant or even a private renter, they may own their own home but creating a noise nuisance is illegal and you can take action against them. This is true whatever time of day or night the noise occurs.

However you have to lose your attachment to being Mrs Nice (I had the same challenges over this) and accept that you need to confront this problem head on.

Thank you so much. I will definitely look into this
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Skedaddle465 · 26/10/2021 00:31

Thank you ❤️

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MissCrowley · 26/10/2021 08:58

I really feel your pain on this. I lived in a terraced house for 6 months with women next door who would not only have Alex loudly, but also beat the living daylights out of each other at any given opportunity. They had dogs and sometimes it sounded like they were joining in! I did pray that the dogs would just fucking eat them one day. We had neighbours who lived across the road who moved due to the noise coming out of this one house and we were unlucky to live next door to it.

During summer they'd have all the windows open and music blasting, they'd have parties during all times of the week so myself and DH would be going to work shattered. There was no respite. There was a petition to get them out of the house from the neighbours on the street as everyone had had enough, however their landlord lived down south somewhere and didn't give a shit.

It all came to a head when I'd developed PND from having my first child and they were being their usual disruptive selves. I made to go round to kick the shit out of the pair of them but thankfully my other half stopped me.
It is soul destroying, relentless and extremely anxiety inducing. Definitely keep a log, report to the environmental health with the disturbances. You've had some really good advice off some PP so put some of that into action.
I found that at least doing something and knowing it wasn't just me being precious (other neighbours involved too) made me less anxious.

I hope you get it sorted, you shouldn't have to move home, putting yourself in debt because of a disruptive arsehole.

  • I was pregnant at the time and gave birth but had to leave when my DD was around 9 weeks old as I could no longer cope with the noise. It had a massive effect on my mental health.
SleepingBunnies21 · 26/10/2021 09:26

That will just escalate things

I am telling you that in my experience it did not; on the receiving end of 8t I saw two young men reduce their "activities" significantly because they dreaded the bect morning, being woken up abd kept awake with bad hangovers by her music.

This worked even when her threat to involve Sinn Fein/the IRA did not male then reduce their noise lol.

When i did it to my alcoholic neighbours, they also reduced their noise- they thi k twice about it. They didn't make the noise co plait agai at me because people like that are too disordered and disorganised to do all that recording etc. And if they had, i can tell you from trying to complain about noise during the day, that it's very hard to make a daytime noise complaint stick; you'd have to probe its really excessive and not necessary work to your house etc.

DrNo007 · 26/10/2021 14:24

The statement that it is hard to make complaints about daytime noise stick is not accurate. Certain laws cover noise nuisance at any time of day or night. Sanctum Consultants can advise on this. However many councils and noisemakers are unaware of the extent of the law.

Skedaddle465 · 27/10/2021 10:33

OP here again.

Thank you so much for everyone's responses.

I was in the office yesterday and to be honest didn't want to go home. I was on the verge of tears in the car. However when I pulled up neighbour clearly wasn't home, and stayed away all night. I went out for a run and came home and made a nice dinner, pulled together everything to start on the complaints process to the environmental health team, and watched a movie. Then had a really good night's sleep.

This morning as I was leaving for work, the girl I call 'whiny friend' (because all she does is drunkenly whine and complain) was pulled up outside and going in and out of the house. No sign of neighbour still. Maybe she's gone to stay somewhere else. Annoying their neighbours....

Tonight I'll be doing the paperwork for the complaint. She can't keep making me feel this awful.

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LucentBlade · 29/10/2021 13:05

Some noisy twats a few two doors down have had a party last few weekends outside. But they had one last night which is shit mid week. I currently hate them. A neighbour has complained and she was told to fuck off. I can’t hear them in the front at all but they disturbed my DS whose bedroom is in the back.

It would be environmental health but then it has to be declared on selling. I think noise is one of the biggest issues that should be tackled in an easier fashion.

I feel really sorry for you.

Skedaddle465 · 20/06/2022 11:32

Update:

So after neighbour's massive bender in Oct which included her having sex so loud I could hear her in every room in my house and I put a note through her door saying all my colleagues heard her on Teams and to STFU....she went AWOL for two weeks..

Friends and family were in and out and feeding her dog, taking stuff out of the house. No sign of the daughter. I hoped maybe she was moving out. So I didn't submit the paperwork to the council (but I still have it).

She came back after 2 weeks and there was silence. It was like a different house. Someone suggested perhaps she had a coke problem (the energy, not sleeping, talkativeness, lack of inhibitions etc) and had had a massive comedown including paranoia after she realised a lot of people had heard her....

None of her old friends came round. She took the daughter to school every day, there was no unusual noise. It was exactly how it used to be before she moved in.

In January there was one night where she clearly fell off the wagon and I called the police. Which fixed it for another 6 months.

On that occasion I was woken at 4.30am by a male voice shouting to be let in. There were three men laying on her drive propped against her car. This went in for about 20 mins and one of them dropped the bottle he was holding which smashed.

I called the police because if she was there, she clearly wasn't letting them in and they were a disturbance, if she wasn't there I was concerned what they might do next. I've damage property.

About 5 mins later she came home, being driven by a guy in a Porsche that's never been here before. when she saw the guys on the drive she stopped dead, then laughed like "omg, I didn't think you'd really come". "Yeah but you have us your address, after party yeah?". Porsche guy did not look amused but she invited them all inside. Where they proceeded to do what sounded like falling over every piece of furniture and swear a lot, then put on music.

Police arrived just after this and watched the house for a bit before knocking and saying they'd had reports of suspicious activity on the property, could they come in and make sure everything was ok. Through the wall I could hear lots of drunken apologies "sorry officer, we arrived before this lady, just waited, sorry, were we loud.....". She said she'd invited them, they met in a club, it was all fine. Police said be careful and keep the noise down.

So she's invited back four men she didn't know, to a house where she lives alone (daughter not there weekends) when she and at least three of the four were totally inebriated. She's a walking disaster.

Anyway, for the last six months since then it's been totally quiet again. Guessing the police coming round was a wake up call. Other neighbours were talking about it too.

Til last night, Sunday. She came home around 8pm with the daughter and was screaming at her before they even got in the door. "I'm furious with you, you're a little madam, not everything is about you, you wonder why I don't take you out with my friends, because they want someone fun and you're sat with a face on you"....this went on and on and then she drove off with her again and came back alone around 9.30pm.

10pm a huge brand new 4x4 arrives with two guys. They go inside, immediately the music starts, she's cackling like a hyena as if they're the most hysterical people in the world. Around 11pm they move outside to the garden and are smoking and still laughing at nothing.

It's 11pm on a Sunday. They've never been here before. I'm totally assuming the meltdown at her kid has tipped her over the edge and she's called someone with drugs....

They leave just after midnight thankfully and it goes quiet.

But omg. I'm convinced she has drug and or mental health problems. And when she's a nightmare, that's the reason.

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Skedaddle465 · 03/07/2022 11:32

She's definitely fallen off the wagon.

She's back to coming home anywhere between 3am and 8am on Saturday and Sunday, with a random guy, and having the loudest sex imaginable. I never hear the guy during, only her, it's almost funny she's so clearly faking, but I can hear it in my bedroom and my living/dining room. There's nowhere to get away from it.

If the guy doesn't leave, it starts up again mid afternoon when they wake up from their stupor, so I daren't invite anyone round. She also has her windows open so anyone walking by would also get an earful.

Yesterday I went to bed in earplugs and with white noise on in preparation. Woke up at 9am and took them out to hear there was a party in full swing next door with a group of girls trying to sing along to Carrie Underwood 'before he cheats' and a male voice screaming 'shut up, please shut the hell up'. So that was fun....guests left in Ubers around 10.30am and it went quiet. I was hopeful. But the loud sex started around 11am. Again at 2.30pm. Then later the yelling at her dog that had clearly had an accident because she'd ignored it all day....

Then she drove off, came back at 3.30am this morning.....loud sex again at 10am as I was enjoying a coffee at the dining table. What I have done this morning, because I'm very petty and fed up now, is to play Akon's 'I've just had sex' at full volume against the bedroom wall...That seemed to shut her up.

Argh! She's such a cow.

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BMW6 · 03/07/2022 12:17

Have you still not spoken to her face to face ?

Muckymaisonette · 03/07/2022 12:40

BMW6 · 03/07/2022 12:17

Have you still not spoken to her face to face ?

Seing as how she can rustle up seemingly dodgy blokes to her place at that time of night, I dread to think what would happen after a face to face conversation, what new hell she could bring to your door.

Xiomara22 · 03/07/2022 13:34

Ring the police and say you think someone’s being attacked next door next time she starts having sex.

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