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Being upset and angry because my ex's girlfriend pierced my daughter's ears?

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thecatmother · 17/08/2021 10:11

Basically, I co parent with my ex and it was his time with DD(9). Him and his GF took her away for a weeks break, all lovely. Yesterday she came home and was hiding her ears behind her hair, and also looking very sheepish. I had her on my lap, giving her a cuddle and realised that her ears got pierced.
I kept my cool and complimented the pretty earrings that she had in, but when I spoke to my ex later, he had no clue and he had to ask his GF. Apparently the GF went to the shops with my DD and thought it was a nice thing for them to do together.
My ex is apologetic, I'm just so upset. On top of that the earrings are just costume jewelry and now I need to take her to the proper place to make sure that the piercing is clean and healing.
We have never even talked about having her ears pierced, I feel that I was blindsided. I would have much preferred them to bond over a shopping or a fun activity, not over my child getting her ears pierced.
In front of DD I'm all positive, as obviously she is excited and feeling all glamorous, but I'm so sad inside.
I know it's only pierced ears, but I did cry last night.

OP posts:
steppemum · 18/08/2021 22:17

if the shop doesn't check ID though, then the gf lied to say she was parent on the form, which is also a worry.

Whydoiwearsomuchleopardprint · 18/08/2021 22:23

That is totally out of order, I would be so so angry and upset, there is no way the girlfriend should have done this.

Bertiebiscuit · 18/08/2021 22:25

This is Not OK and the shop should not have done it - I would take out the earrings, and let the holes heal up - she won't be able to wear them to school anyway but keep an eye out for infection. And I would complain to the shop, you are entitled to make a police report on this as it was done illegally. And finally I would tell ex and this gf that you daughter will no longer be having unsupervised visits with them as they cannot be trusted to take care of her, and if they protest, threaten to report them to social services. What next - will they let her drink smoke, stay out all night without your permission - beyond unacceptable, more like criminally negligent and abusive

FlyingPandas · 18/08/2021 22:30

I'd have been livid too, OP. Not just about the ear piercing (though that alone would have made me rage - personally I feel it should be illegal for any child under the age of 11 to have any kind of piercing) but as PP have said, it's about the wider issues of trust. What else will she just let your DD go ahead and do as she gets older? Drinking, smoking, drugs? Other random piercings? Tattoos? I would find it really hard to trust her with a child after this.

TatianaBis · 18/08/2021 22:38

OP with the greatest respect - what else is GF going to think is ok because it’s normal in her family?

That’s fuck all to do with anything. The issue is what is normal in a step parent role and that is not to over-step parental boundaries.

She doesn’t get it OP, and from your capitulation in the name of ‘peace’ which is really just fear of confrontation - she won’t get it. And there will be a next time.

TatianaBis · 18/08/2021 22:40

Xpost @FlyingPandas - exactly.

This could potentially escalate if you don’t lay the law down now OP.

tricky29 · 18/08/2021 22:40

Going to go against the grain here...I wasn’t overjoyed when my youngest (8 year old, eldest was 13) had her’s done and I took her! But it was the only present she’d wanted for 3 years and my DH pointed out I was making it about me not her. 2 years on, her earrings are cute and appropriate and she still loves them.

Maybe it’s not the piercing you’re upset about, more the fact that your ex’s GF took her. It is a massive overstep as your ex has acknowledged but in the grand scheme of things it’s probably not the worst thing.

She may end up playing a lifelong/long-term role in your DDs life and this might be a nice ‘moment’ for them.

As a Mum, I totally agree with you. I’d be raging but in a few years you might reflect it wasn’t worth the upset in the long run. (And you can be the one who takes her for her seconds which is a bigger deal in my experience).

My MIL cut my baby’s fringe years ago and I was devastated at the time, now I look back on it and see it wasn’t a big deal in the grand scheme.

mstroutpout · 18/08/2021 22:41

@Nocutenamesleft sorry for shouting Thanks

Satansballsacks · 18/08/2021 22:44

OP, I think you are fantastic. In fact, I think all the adults in your DD's life are fantastic, as you are all - in your different ways - putting her needs before your own feelings. I had been going to say that people diving in should look at the bigger picture (namely that the child needs the adults not to be sounding off at one another, claiming it is assault, preventing contact etc - because she would not benefit from any of that) - but you say it all. Your DD is lucky to have you as her mum.

jozipozi31 · 18/08/2021 23:00

OP you've been amazing. Well done. Omg. I would have hated the gf forever 🙈😅

You've really been so positive and practical. I admire you so much. Your daughters and ex and the gf are v lucky to have you 🌟

DeRigueurMortis · 18/08/2021 23:14

I think you've dealt with it well OP.

A line was absolutely crossed and I'd have been furious but it's also important to consider the bigger picture.

Going to "war" with the GF (who has a good relationship with your DD and seems to have "covered" a lot of your Ex's parenting failures) isn't in anyone's best interests.

On the other hand using this as a catalyst to re-enforce boundaries, parental decision making and responsibility does serve an important purpose going forward. Not just for the adults but your DD also.

For disclosure I'm a SM and I understand the pressure manipulation normally good children can exert to get what they want (especially concerning issues related to peer pressure and "fitting in").

I've never been taken in by this because all the adults involved have worked to have a civil relationship and open communication (so basically when in doubt or it's a "big" change eg hair style/colour/henna tattoos to name a few!) - text both parents to ensure they both consent.

Askingforfriend · 18/08/2021 23:27

Wow, I would be livid. It would take me a long time to not be very angry about it.

A fun bonding trip would have been having hair styled NOT cut or going and buying afore mentioned stick on earrings or hair chalk.

OP you are much more reasonable than many of us would have been.

I would let the ears close up to be honest after telling ex and GF that you understand she was trying to be nice but that you are not going to keep the earrings for now. Not to create drama but to make it clear to all including my child that going behind my back for whatever reason (and however well meaning) is not going to be the best outcome.

What has happened hear is the old "it is easier to ask forgiveness than permission" thing which I would want to nip firmly in the bud.

Hillary17 · 18/08/2021 23:32

Had my ears pierced when I was two years old. Mum took me one day, didn’t ask anyone’s permission and just got it done whilst I was young enough to not remember. So grateful. Maybe she should have checked first but I’m sure your daughter is happy about it.

Jaxxy · 18/08/2021 23:52

A similar situation happened to me, my step mother got my daughters ears pierced at same age without asking me. Apparently my daughter begged and I had said she had to be 12….
Anyway, I was raging but I decided in grand scheme, DD was the one driving it, and she didn’t mean to be malicious…..

Blackcat333 · 19/08/2021 00:34

@Hillary17

Had my ears pierced when I was two years old. Mum took me one day, didn’t ask anyone’s permission and just got it done whilst I was young enough to not remember. So grateful. Maybe she should have checked first but I’m sure your daughter is happy about it.
So not even your permission to put holes on your ears.
Mamanyt · 19/08/2021 00:48

You are handling it perfectly in front of your daughter. KUDOS! Keep on doing that. As for your ex's GF, send a message through your ex that what she did, while possibly well-intentioned, was way over the line, and NEVER to do anything like that again. Also, contact the store that did the piercing and let them know that you are beyond angry that they pierced a child's ears without permission of a legal guardian. IF the woman lied to them (and she might have), they can take action against her, as she has endangered their business.

0DimSumMum0 · 19/08/2021 00:55

My next door neighbour took me at the age of 9 to get mine done and my mum was equally angry.

Lily019 · 19/08/2021 01:45

I'd go fucking mental. How bloody dare she! Not her child, not her decision. Well out of order and I would make her know this. And your ex cannot 'not have known'. Utter bullshit.

savannahnights · 19/08/2021 01:46

@Graphista Based on what the OP has said in her other posts, the gf didn't encourage the child to keep it a secret. She had no reason to because the OP's daughter told her that her mother said she could have her ears pierced. Since she's the one basically doing most of the co-parenting\helping raise the child with the OP she likely didn't bother telling the ex because she would have been the one doing the follow up care while the child is with them (and likely does know the daughter's full medical history since it doesn't sound like the ex is a very involved father when it comes to parenting judging from him not knowing what the child ate or did when she was at his house in the past) and she most likely didn't tell the OP because she assumed the daughter had her mother's permission to pierce her ears and stupidly didn't bother checking with the OP to confirm it so she no doubt thought the daughter would tell the OP and OP would do the follow up care. What the gf did was stupid and irresponsible but it's the ex who the OP should go "mama bear" on because the reason why the gf is overstepping her boundaries and making parental decisions she has no business making is likely due to her doing most of her boyfriend's parental responsibilities when his daughter is with them. He needs to be informed to start paying attention to his kid when she's with him and that it's his responsibility to parent her not his girlfriend's.

Graphista · 19/08/2021 03:06

All those saying not to be as firm with the girlfriend - have you missed that this isn't the first time she has overstepped and ignored the parents?

Many also seem to be ignoring the fact that op NEEDED to be told because of the aftercare involved to prevent infection, a 9 year old can't be relied on to do that sufficiently.

Re my mention of anaphylaxis - that actually comes from personal experience as it's what actually did happen to my sister when she had her ears pierced. Turned out she was allergic to whatever they had used to clean the gun. Mum and I were with her it was an emergency ambulance job. She is also allergic to penicillin and some other meds and this was pertinent to her treatment at the scene too. So it's not an exaggeration or impossible at all. I've seen it happen

@savannahnights I disagree. The fact the father wasn't told and the mother wasn't told and the child trying to hide them DOES suggest to me the girlfriend was trying to keep it a secret.

That goes against all safeguarding knowledge and is immature and irresponsible behaviour.

The parents needed to know in order to ensure correct and safe aftercare and so that they knew of a possible source of infection had the dd become ill.

Again the site of the infection doesn't necessarily give the strongest reaction.

I'm an ex nurse and while I mainly worked in elderly care I trained at a time when piercings other than ears were starting to become fashionable BUT where the youngsters having them often didn't tell their parents they'd had them. They'd be admitted to a&e with serious symptoms of very nasty infections (the industry was very poorly regulated at this point - I think people forget that back then, early 90's there were even people being infected with hepatitis and similar due to poor hygiene) and knowing the source/cause of an infection can make it much easier and quicker to identify what type of infection it is and treat it effectively and quickly.

I saw one young lady who'd been ignoring the signs of the infection her belly ring had caused and her mother had brought her in thinking she was pregnant! Because the child noticeably had stomach pains and a swollen abdomen but she had been refusing to see a dr. Eventually she became so ill she couldn't physically resist any more and her mother brought her in.

Kids do stupid shit like that. It's up to the adults around them, especially those in parental roles not only to not allow them as far as possible to do stupid, daft shit but not to bloody well encourage them AND encourage them to keep important secrets from their parents.

The consequences honestly don't bear thinking about and can have life long health ramifications.

Personally I'd ban piercing under 18's altogether it's totally unnecessary. Nobody would die as a result! Clip ons etc would become more popular possibly but it's perfectly possible to go through your childhood/teens without putting unnecessary holes/wounds in your body!

It certainly should be in the rest of the Uk as it is here in Scotland as has been mentioned that parental consent is required in person with proof.

But as others have said too, it's not just WHAT the specific act was it's the overstepping of a clear legal and societal boundary here too.

There are many wonderful nurturing and fun step parents who wouldn't dream of behaving this way.

This isn't the first time this woman has done so and that is why in my first post I said op needs to step up a notch in communicating with the girlfriend as she clearly either isn't listening to the dad or the dad is lying about speaking to her about her boundaries with his dd.

A letter from a solicitor needn't be harsh but it can be firm and official and could well be exactly the right step to get the girlfriend to just back off, and stop making major decisions for a child that isn't hers.

blueberrywaffle · 19/08/2021 03:24

Safe to say if this was me, I wouldn't be on MN I'd be on crime watch....

How dare she! I'd tell your ex she isn't allowed near your dd anymore

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 19/08/2021 04:11

I don't think the GF was trying to keep it a secret herself.
I think the DD knew she'd pulled a fast one because she wanted her ears done, and knew that her mum wouldn't let her, and THAT's why she hid her ears.
I don't think her Dad would have even noticed. He might, if her head had been shaved, but aside of that, probably not.

So the first inkling the GF would have had that it was a problem was when the dad asked her if she'd done it - and then has been made VERY aware that she's not to do it again by the OP, in a way more measured fashion than many other people would have managed.

She's thoughtless, for sure. But now she knows, she's got NO excuse to ever do anything on DD's say-so again.

Ericaequites · 19/08/2021 04:49

Take out the earrings. Explain to your daughter she can’t always have what she wants, and must not use deception to get what she wants. Later, she can have her ears pierced at beginning of school vacation between Year6/7, at menarche, or when you deem fit.

jontyl · 19/08/2021 05:53

You've got to balance your upset with the upset this will cause you in your future dealings with your ex and new gf. You've marked her card and next time......I don't know how big a thing it is for mums to have their daughters ears pierced but I know my dad was livid when an uncle let my brother drive his car (off road) before he (dad) was able to enjoy that shared experience.

WorkHardPlayHard1 · 19/08/2021 07:39

I think the girlfriend is either dim and wanted to make the child happy to make a good relationship

or very manipulative tbh.

She is doing things with your daughter that you wouldnt agree to. She included your daughter in the slyness.

Good luck xx