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To not let my daughter change her name?

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katherine1983 · 14/08/2021 16:09

My daughter wants to change her name to Rose, however I believe she should keep her birth name until the age of 18. I’m aware she can change it without my permission as she’s 16 however I’m hoping she wouldn’t as she knows I’m unhappy with it. It was the name I chose for her and I do believe her reasoning for wanting to change her name (too masculine) is wrong. Shes been using Rose as her name with some of her school friends and her online friends for over a year.

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gnushoes · 15/08/2021 12:59

Don't know why all the fuss about it being a masculine name - spelt that way it's dire for either sex. I hope some of the loons on the baby naming board might read this thread.

Hankunamatata · 15/08/2021 13:03

I'd let her change it now.

AlexaShutUp · 15/08/2021 13:11

Ah, so that’s the secret of conflict free teen parenting - roll over, participate in them doing something you actively don’t like and then foot the bill. I see now where I went wrong.

I was obviously a rubbish parent by putting my foot down and refusing to pay for my 15 year old to go to Amsterdam with a bunch of mates for a cannabis fest. Clearly I should have handed the money over and driven him to the airport.

What a silly post. You seem to resent the fact that I don't get into battles with my teen. I'm sorry if that offends you, but you do what works for you and I'll carry on doing what works for me.

It isn't a question of "rolling over" at all. You're right that I didn't like the idea of the nose piercing, but when I reflected on it, I didn't have a rational reason as to why I objected. It was just a matter of personal preference, but I accept that I don't own my dd's body and I'm not going to impose my will on her for no good reason. I respect the fact that she is different from me. And yes, I did choose to foot the bill on that occasion because I wanted to signal my acceptance of her decision, but she certainly wasn't expecting that and she would have been just as appreciative of the fact that I went with her to support her. And I was equally appreciative of the fact that she sought my consent before having the piercing when she could have gone and got it done without even telling me. Mutual respect goes a long way.

Of course I say no to stuff when it's necessary. There's absolutely way that I'd have let a 15yo go to Amsterdam for a cannabis fest, because that would obviously be totally irresponsible, but frankly, my dd has enough common sense not to even ask about something like this because she knows that the answer would be no. She is sensible enough to be able to anticipate my concerns and rarely asks to do anything that I would consider too risky. Her friends and their parents mostly work on a similar basis.

DD and I have a clear understanding between us. I won't say no to stuff just because I don't like it, but if I have concerns about safety or similar, then she will accept my decision without argument. We do discuss and negotiate where there are differences of opinion, but she fully understands that my goal is not to control her or spoil her fun but rather to keep her safe. She is reasonable and so am I, we both trust each other to make sensible decisions.

Blossomtoes · 15/08/2021 13:17

I don’t resent you at all @AlexaShutUp. I just think you live in la la land. Hopefully you’ll be able to stay there. Perhaps the difference is that you have a sensible daughter and I had a son who pushed hard against the very few boundaries I laid down.

Lockdownbear · 15/08/2021 13:19

@drpet49

Rose? She could have chosen a better name at least.
Her choice, she maybe doesn't like your choice of names.

I once heard of a girl being adopted, she'd had been given an 'unusual' name. Various reasons the adoption parents wanted to change it, the girl picked Mary! The parents said it wouldn't have been our choice but she picked it.

ddl1 · 15/08/2021 13:23

I have met females called Cody (spelled Codie and Kodie in their cases).

AlexaShutUp · 15/08/2021 13:27

@Blossomtoes

I don’t resent you at all *@AlexaShutUp*. I just think you live in la la land. Hopefully you’ll be able to stay there. Perhaps the difference is that you have a sensible daughter and I had a son who pushed hard against the very few boundaries I laid down.
Yes, she is very sensible, and I have already acknowledged that kids (and parents) have different temperaments. I haven't said that conflict should never happen between teens and their parents - I have just said that it isn't inevitable, and that the absence of any battles isn't unhealthy.

I don't think I'm living in lala land at all. Of course, I can't be sure that my 16yo won't go off the rails at some point, but I trust that she won't. Neither my dsis nor I ever felt the need to rebel against our parents - they were fair and reasonable, so there wasn't really anything to rebel against. None of our cousins went through rebellious phases either, nor my nephew or many of our friends' children. I worked with teenagers for years, and some of them had very challenging behaviour while others didn't. It is by no means universal.

speakout · 15/08/2021 13:33

I think AlexaShutUp parents in a sensible way- very like my own parenting.
It's not about rolling over and accepting anything a teen wants to do at all, it's about fostering a relationship build on respect- both ways.

TheGumption · 15/08/2021 13:33

@AlexaShutUp

Ah, so that’s the secret of conflict free teen parenting - roll over, participate in them doing something you actively don’t like and then foot the bill. I see now where I went wrong.

I was obviously a rubbish parent by putting my foot down and refusing to pay for my 15 year old to go to Amsterdam with a bunch of mates for a cannabis fest. Clearly I should have handed the money over and driven him to the airport.

What a silly post. You seem to resent the fact that I don't get into battles with my teen. I'm sorry if that offends you, but you do what works for you and I'll carry on doing what works for me.

It isn't a question of "rolling over" at all. You're right that I didn't like the idea of the nose piercing, but when I reflected on it, I didn't have a rational reason as to why I objected. It was just a matter of personal preference, but I accept that I don't own my dd's body and I'm not going to impose my will on her for no good reason. I respect the fact that she is different from me. And yes, I did choose to foot the bill on that occasion because I wanted to signal my acceptance of her decision, but she certainly wasn't expecting that and she would have been just as appreciative of the fact that I went with her to support her. And I was equally appreciative of the fact that she sought my consent before having the piercing when she could have gone and got it done without even telling me. Mutual respect goes a long way.

Of course I say no to stuff when it's necessary. There's absolutely way that I'd have let a 15yo go to Amsterdam for a cannabis fest, because that would obviously be totally irresponsible, but frankly, my dd has enough common sense not to even ask about something like this because she knows that the answer would be no. She is sensible enough to be able to anticipate my concerns and rarely asks to do anything that I would consider too risky. Her friends and their parents mostly work on a similar basis.

DD and I have a clear understanding between us. I won't say no to stuff just because I don't like it, but if I have concerns about safety or similar, then she will accept my decision without argument. We do discuss and negotiate where there are differences of opinion, but she fully understands that my goal is not to control her or spoil her fun but rather to keep her safe. She is reasonable and so am I, we both trust each other to make sensible decisions.

Love your posts, reminds me of how my mum was with me. I hope to have this kind of relationship with my kids when they're teens.
Blossomtoes · 15/08/2021 13:35

I think AlexaShutUp parents in a sensible way- very like my own parenting

Of course you do. I imagine you have compliant daughters too. The smugness of the pair of you is quite insufferable.

katherine1983 · 15/08/2021 13:42

Codie was a name I considered when I was pregnant, I loved the sound. I did choose Kody but as the story of this thread suggests, it didn’t age well with her Grin

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AlexaShutUp · 15/08/2021 13:44

@Blossomtoes

I think AlexaShutUp parents in a sensible way- very like my own parenting

Of course you do. I imagine you have compliant daughters too. The smugness of the pair of you is quite insufferable.

Seems like we might have touched a bit of a raw nerve here. I don't think anyone is being smug... just challenging your blanket statement that an absence of conflict is somehow "unhealthy".

@TheGumption, thank you. Smile I imagine that most of us parent in a pretty similar way to how we were parented, unless we make a conscious decision to do it differently. So hopefully you'll have a similar relationship with your kids as they get older to the one that you had with your own mum. Smile

Plumtree391 · 15/08/2021 13:47

Blossomtoes: Ah, so that’s the secret of conflict free teen parenting - roll over, participate in them doing something you actively don’t like and then foot the bill. I see now where I went wrong.

I was obviously a rubbish parent by putting my foot down and refusing to pay for my 15 year old to go to Amsterdam with a bunch of mates for a cannabis fest. Clearly I should have handed the money over and driven him to the airport.
....
I fail to see the comparison between the two situations.

Plumtree391 · 15/08/2021 13:48

I think the op, Katherine, has been very sensible and kind over this issue. Good for her.

meadowbleu · 15/08/2021 14:00

From a previous comment
People assume I’m thick and trashy.

I would absolutely have changed my name and I don't think it should be regarded as disrespectful to parents who saddled you with a name that made others prejudge like that. It's more disrespectufl to treat a new baby like a pet or a toy and not think of their life.

I'm pleased you've come round @katherine1983 You chose a name that hardly anyone seems to like just because it sounded nice to you at the time. Your daughter's chosen a name she likes, she's lived with it and happy coincidence, it has a connection with her family roots. Let her get it done sooner rather than later and make a big effort to refer to her how she wants to be addressed.

Paulinna · 15/08/2021 15:04

I would absolutely have changed my name and I don't think it should be regarded as disrespectful to parents who saddled you with a name that made others prejudge like that
People prejudge on all sorts of names. A parent may not realise they’re “saddling” their child with a difficult name. The name I was given wasn’t a problem when I was a council estate child raised on benefits, and it would have been accepted if I was applying for jobs in a factory, but it didn’t go down well when applying for professional graduate jobs. It’s been proven that posh white names get more interviews even with the exact same CV. Chavvy names get less interviews. Ethnic names get less interviews, but when their CV is “whitened” they get more interest even with the exact same qualifications. There was one study where a CV was sent out with a stereotypical black name and got no interviews until they attached a photo of a blonde white lady.

PandemicAtTheDisco · 15/08/2021 16:24

I think when you've been given an outlandish name and have suffered from it for years then there's a lot more incentive to choose a very common, normal name as a reaction.

I dated someone who had parents from the sixties. He and his siblings had names that marked them out as different. They had expectations set on them by the names such as being creative, music and mother earth-loving types. The man I dated used his initials instead of his name because he wasn't taken seriously professionally. Good job he wasn't called ARies Spring Equinox.

Dixiechickonhols · 15/08/2021 16:36

If she changes now her GCSEs will be in her new name.
It sounds like she’s thought long and hard about it. The name she’s chosen is a sensible none controversial one.

katherine1983 · 15/08/2021 17:05

I thought it would’ve been too late for the school to change her details for her certs? I didn’t know they can still be changed.

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Morgysmum · 15/08/2021 17:32

Why not let her just use it at school, plus on social media. There was a girl at secondary school who went by her middle name, which ironically was Rose, as she didn't like her first name.
All the teachers called her Rose, unless there was a substitute teacher, who would call out her first name. Which she wouldn't respond to.
Then she if she still feels the same at the legal age. I don't go by full name, Victoria (don't like, too stuck up) so I go by vicky. My mum doesn't mind, my sister is, becky not Rebecca.

cherish123 · 15/08/2021 17:42

I would say YANBU. However, I would be happy if it was changing to Rose. Think about what she could change it to! If it is her middle name does she have to change it officially? Plenty of people use their middle name.

Carpedimum · 15/08/2021 17:43

Yes YABVU; it’s her life, not yours. Our children are separate to us, we raise them to have the tools and confidence to make their own choices. It was your responsibility to name her initially, but it’s not your decision to make now, any more than how much influence your own parents had over your life after childhood.

Yespresh · 15/08/2021 17:44

Rose is a beautiful name. Why the objection. It’s nothing weird or unconventional.

pinkyredrose · 15/08/2021 17:45

I didn’t realise how easy it is to change names, I thought it would’ve required court

Why would it require court? Lots of people still change thier names after marriage, they don't all go to court.

She's making a very important personal decision, it's great that you're supporting her.

notoldjustpastyoung · 15/08/2021 17:47

I changed my name when I was 18 and had started living away from home. I had always hated my name from a young child, and couldn't bear the thought of carrying it through life. I don't I even my daughter and grown up grandchildren know it. I changed it 60 years ago, and low and behold, my self chosen name, which I like, is now a name for an unpleasant female.! I didn't just use it, I legally disowned my original name. K

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